Superblue 6,372 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Tomo said: Where the hell have the scouts who found Azpi, KDB and Courtois for peanuts gone? Even factoring inflation since then they would have had a field day with a £200m budget. I agree £200m should have been more than sufficient to refresh our squad. When you consider Christensen came back from his loan spell and we arguably could have kept a couple of others like Zouma, Abraham and RLC to fill out the squad, we realistically could have spent that money on 3, maybe 4 top players to significantly improve the starting XI. However the board do still have a lot to answer for with regards to strategy. In hindsight bringing Mourinho back was arguably the most damaging thing the club could have done in the long term. We were in a transition phase but had brought so many young, quality players whilst the likes of Cech, Lampard, Terry, Ivanovic and Cole still had a year or two left at the top level to help bridge a changeover. So many of these players were exciting young players, and even purchases like Cahill for £7m were clever and considered. We had the makings of an attacking, expansive and youthful side but the last thing we needed was the right manager for this. I believe the backlash over Benitez made the club panic and go for Mourinho. I'm not his biggest fan but I can only imagine what someone like Klopp could have done with the squad we had at that time. When you think of the players that Mourinho discarded - Bertrand, Luiz, De Bruyne, Mata, Lukaku, the list goes on. When Mourinho was sacked it left us with a squad that had no structure, no long term plan. Then Conte comes in with a completely different system and style of play which was fresh and re-invigorated the club. But he was putting square pegs in round holes to do so, and because the club hasn't got 'all-in' with him to get the players that will suit his system best, we're heading towards the same position we were in when Mourinho was sacked 2 years ago which is a squad lacking a true identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I've had higher hopes when we signed the likes of Ben Haim or Djibolodjy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: I agree £200m should have been more than sufficient to refresh our squad. When you consider Christensen came back from his loan spell and we arguably could have kept a couple of others like Zouma, Abraham and RLC to fill out the squad, we realistically could have spent that money on 3, maybe 4 top players to significantly improve the starting XI. However the board do still have a lot to answer for with regards to strategy. In hindsight bringing Mourinho back was arguably the most damaging thing the club could have done in the long term. We were in a transition phase but had brought so many young, quality players whilst the likes of Cech, Lampard, Terry, Ivanovic and Cole still had a year or two left at the top level to help bridge a changeover. So many of these players were exciting young players, and even purchases like Cahill for £7m were clever and considered. We had the makings of an attacking, expansive and youthful side but the last thing we needed was the right manager for this. I believe the backlash over Benitez made the club panic and go for Mourinho. I'm not his biggest fan but I can only imagine what someone like Klopp could have done with the squad we had at that time. When you think of the players that Mourinho discarded - Bertrand, Luiz, De Bruyne, Mata, Lukaku, the list goes on. When Mourinho was sacked it left us with a squad that had no structure, no long term plan. Then Conte comes in with a completely different system and style of play which was fresh and re-invigorated the club. But he was putting square pegs in round holes to do so, and because the club hasn't got 'all-in' with him to get the players that will suit his system best, we're heading towards the same position we were in when Mourinho was sacked 2 years ago which is a squad lacking a true identity. Quality post. Mourinho had us all believe he would play attacking and exciting football befit to the type of signings we were making, he stressed that several times in the beginning and I believe he had the board fooled too. He might have even fooled himself into believing he can do it, but in the end it was clear he didn't have what it takes, and for his last ~1,5 years we were in conservative survival mode every game that posed a bit of danger. In the beginning we did play some nice stuff truth be told, but this was your typical honeymoon period that deceived us further and everything changed after that 5-3 game with Tottenham. He convinced the club that the likes of KDB and Salah weren't good enough for us (Lukaku still isn't, I'll leave him out of this one). Some of the sales we made because of him drastically changed the face of our future, the future that was supposed to be NOW, but isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Its just soul destroying Arsenal fans mock Chelsea as they eye permanent Andy Carroll deal https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/arsenal/arsenal-fans-mock-chelsea-as-they-eye-permanent-andy-carroll-deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,539 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 They have a point... Some from daily mail.. Oh please let this be true, I would be glad to see the back of Carroll who has very little ball control and is constantly injured.. the only good thing about him is he is good in the air but for £80 k a week and he only plays once a month it would be great business to off load him. Arsenal on the verge of Aubameyang/Malcolm, United securing Sanchez. The PL champions? Andy Carroll. With Chelsea, winning the league always gives us a false sense of security, to the point where we fail to adequately back the manager; not in terms of money spent, but in terms of transfer targets met. We make underwhelming signings, eventually leading said manager to either produce poor results and get sacked, or get frustrated and leave. Just waiting for the day we actually kick on following a title win. Andy Carroll up top vs Barcelona. Unbelievable. Whoever is responsible for pushing this signing (if it turns out to be true, still hoping it's just rumours) should be slapped until the skin melts off their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Fuckin Dippers at it too Liverpool fans mock Chelsea as they eye permanent Andy Carroll deal https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/liverpool/liverpool-fans-mock-chelsea-as-they-eye-permanent-andy-carroll-deal I would give both dangleys IF the prancing poney tailed one actually came good!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I agree £200m should have been more than sufficient to refresh our squad. When you consider Christensen came back from his loan spell and we arguably could have kept a couple of others like Zouma, Abraham and RLC to fill out the squad, we realistically could have spent that money on 3, maybe 4 top players to significantly improve the starting XI. However the board do still have a lot to answer for with regards to strategy. In hindsight bringing Mourinho back was arguably the most damaging thing the club could have done in the long term. We were in a transition phase but had brought so many young, quality players whilst the likes of Cech, Lampard, Terry, Ivanovic and Cole still had a year or two left at the top level to help bridge a changeover. So many of these players were exciting young players, and even purchases like Cahill for £7m were clever and considered. We had the makings of an attacking, expansive and youthful side but the last thing we needed was the right manager for this. I believe the backlash over Benitez made the club panic and go for Mourinho. I'm not his biggest fan but I can only imagine what someone like Klopp could have done with the squad we had at that time. When you think of the players that Mourinho discarded - Bertrand, Luiz, De Bruyne, Mata, Lukaku, the list goes on. When Mourinho was sacked it left us with a squad that had no structure, no long term plan. Then Conte comes in with a completely different system and style of play which was fresh and re-invigorated the club. But he was putting square pegs in round holes to do so, and because the club hasn't got 'all-in' with him to get the players that will suit his system best, we're heading towards the same position we were in when Mourinho was sacked 2 years ago which is a squad lacking a true identity.I agree with everything except the bit about keeping Zouma, Abraham and RLC. All of them needed to go on loan and play A LOT. The club have failed to back three straight title winning managers. Carlo wasn't backed after 2010, mourinho after 2015 and now Conte. The problem isn't the manager, it's the policy the club have implemented. Money in = money out, meaning top players must be sold for top players to be brought in. Debruyne and Lukaku were essentially turned into Cesc and Diego. Diego was sold for Morata. We are clearly trying to lower the average age of the club with lesser known players with potential. The likes of Batshuyai, Bakayoko, rudiger, Ampadu weren't signed with today in mind, they were bought on a gamble that they would come good in a couple years. My belief is all of them will come good and make an impact in the team. As for the likes of Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Barkley and potentially Carroll??? This is where the board have lost me.... well not so much Barkley because he is talented but not very bright. The other names were brought in to round out the squad, none of these players are close to the calibre we are used to at the club. No potential, no actual role, just semi warm bodies. This is why we look like a club with no ambition. The manager asks for a LWB in Sandro we get Zappacosta. The manager asks for tolisso we get Drinkwater... and I know we are close to tapped on non association trained players but come on! The champions need to do better than this in terms of recruiting players that suit our presumed level. Are we a top 10 team in world football? Is that ambition being matched at the board level? Certainly not when we get linked with the likes of Andy Carroll when we desperately need a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Unionjack said: Its just soul destroying Arsenal fans mock Chelsea as they eye permanent Andy Carroll deal https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/arsenal/arsenal-fans-mock-chelsea-as-they-eye-permanent-andy-carroll-deal Arsenal fans can't Mock nobody all they are Feeder club to the Manchester clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 There are very good and world class players which might be unattainable in winter, super expensive or ineligible for euro competition hence a bad time for pursuing major targets. Alexis, auba, mkhi and even Sandro and Telles fall i to that category so at a stretch i understand why we are not pursuing them Then there are talents like malcolm, richarlison, bailey and that pellegrini guy who have shown some potential and might be sensible investments with resale value, reasonable january targets. Should be attainable for a club of our stature. Then there are healthy average players who can still do a job. Of those there are tons. And then therr are crooked, washed-up and out of form players like Andy Carroll who are almost useless even when they are not injured and are not even top flight level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, the wes said: Arsenal fans can't Mock nobody all they are Feeder club to the Manchester clubs Arsenal are for Man City and United what Southampton are for Liverpool. And Tottenham for Real Madrid. And Liverpool for Barcelona. Bunch of losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, the wes said: Arsenal fans can't Mock nobody all they are Feeder club to the Manchester clubs I'd rather you say they're a load of twats!!! Sorry but I really do detest both North London teams but the arsehole moreso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Antonio Conte favours a move for Andy Carroll over Christian Benteke and Richmond Boakye, both of whom Conte admires, have been put to Chelsea, and may yet move up the club’s list. (Telegraph) #CFC Conte’s. Choice? No words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,187 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just look at those three names.....Watch out Europe's elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Just look at those three names.....Watch out Europe's elite. The strange is conte chose these players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11Drogba 2,000 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dimitr said: The strange is conte chose these players Instead of Alexis and Aubemeyang right. Very strange guy this Conte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dimitr said: The strange is conte chose these players That's if you believe everything in the media... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, 11Drogba said: Instead of Alexis and Aubemeyang right. Very strange guy this Conte. I doubt he would choose them over Sanchez or aubemayang given the chance. Board probably didn't entertain going for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jason said: That's if you believe everything in the media... Matt law my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitr 488 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Matt law said this. So respect he knows everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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