🇪🇸 Álvaro Morata

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

We didn't chase Aubameyang when he was available in January. A player that has a track record of 20+ goals.

. If we had him, top 4 would have been ours. The mistakes this board made, hurts us yet again.

 

Please tell me that you have watched auba play and not saying that based on stat only. Aubameyang is a poacher, his involvement in the attack is very limited. He is not suitable to our team at all. There is a reason why grioud has been quite decent for us albeit his poor finishing and really lack of pace 

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12 hours ago, DDA said:

🤣 Well now you say it, I am as stubborn as an old goat. Actually I was just looking at funny goat faces on google at work through pure boredem. Then decided it kind of resembled my own facial features.

What's your favourite tv show of all time When the goat comes in ? Ok bad pun I'll get me goat.

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22 minutes ago, Mana said:

Didn't Aubamayang score 40 goals last season or was that imaginary? Also Auba has been here half a season, and is already closing in on Morata's total PL tally. 2 goals away.

Until Morata reaches 20+ goals in a season, I strongly disagree with your statement.

It has nothing to do with Morata, he isn’t the benchmark for strikers at all is he? I literally gave you an example of our very own Batshuayi - he could score 40 in that system. Aubamayang is just a system player. I’m one of Morata’s biggest critics on here but honestly Aubameyang isn’t much better. 

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

No, my point is if we are going to be in the top 4, you need a 20+ goal player/striker. Morata isn't proven in any league he has played to do that. 

Batshuayi has broken 20+ goals once in his 8-year career, and that was in the Belgian league. You said Bats "could" score 40 in that system. Well, until he does The Skipper, I don't believe you. We'll see IF he stays in BVB.

If Aubamayang's crap around the park, but still scores 20 goals for us...who cares?

There are lots of more interesting strikers than Auba out there. Plus he doesn’t really suit our system. Batshuayi scores 9 goals in 14 appearances for Dortmund before his injury - extrapolate that and he’d easily hit 20+. Even if you look at his CFC numbers, extrapolating them over a full season as a first choice striker - he’d score 20+. I’m not trying to defend Morata at all, My main point is that Auba wouldn’t be a great buy. Not the sort of player that’d take us to the next level. Not going to get better either. He’s also pretty much in the same tier as Morata as a striker imo. 

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3 hours ago, The Skipper said:

There are lots of more interesting strikers than Auba out there. Plus he doesn’t really suit our system. Batshuayi scores 9 goals in 14 appearances for Dortmund before his injury - extrapolate that and he’d easily hit 20+. Even if you look at his CFC numbers, extrapolating them over a full season as a first choice striker - he’d score 20+. I’m not trying to defend Morata at all, My main point is that Auba wouldn’t be a great buy. Not the sort of player that’d take us to the next level. Not going to get better either. He’s also pretty much in the same tier as Morata as a striker imo. 

I think people are overthinking about those striker options. Just give us a man who will score when given a chance, and who would offer something, anything else, aside from that (like Auba offers insane pace for example... and yes, he scores high amount of clear chances). Doesn't every striker needs to be Drogba. He could even be just a poacher if he is really really great at that, like Icardi.

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11 minutes ago, El P. said:

I think people are overthinking about those striker options. Just give us a man who will score when given a chance, and who would offer something, anything else, aside from that (like Auba offers insane pace for example... and yes, he scores high amount of clear chances). Doesn't every striker needs to be Drogba. He could even be just a poacher if he is really really great at that, like Icardi.

We are indeed overthinking, but IMO we are overvaluing the striker position when the team just isn't good enough regardless who plays up front. I see nothing special about our team... we play laborious football.

Besides, finding that player is very difficult, not to mention expensive. Either you go for the proven solution, in which case you are competing with others, or you make bets and these bets will also be expensive.

We had a good striker, with high work rate and decent technique. Too bad he was also a nutcase.

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We are indeed overthinking, but IMO we are overvaluing the striker position when the team just isn't good enough regardless who plays up front. I see nothing special about our team... we play laborious football.
Besides, finding that player is very difficult, not to mention expensive. Either you go for the proven solution, in which case you are competing with others, or you make bets and these bets will also be expensive.
We had a good striker, with high work rate and decent technique. Too bad he was also a nutcase.

There's little to no difference between our squad this season or last, yet Costa still scored 20 goals whilst going missing after January.

I don't think anyone in their right mind can say Morata has taken more chances than he's missed. His performance at Arsenal will live long in the memory for sure

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14 hours ago, Mana said:

Didn't Aubamayang score 40 goals last season or was that imaginary? Also Auba has been here half a season, and is already closing in on Morata's total PL tally. 2 goals away.

Until Morata reaches 20+ goals in a season, I strongly disagree with your statement.

We need someone that can bury chances. Have you seen the Huddlesfield game where there were times a cross comes in and no one's in the box?

Like @The Skipper said, it comes down to system. There is a reason why michy thrive in BVB. Michy is a damn good finisher, better than Morata, maybe better than Costa. In Bvb their striker is not required to be involved in build up that much, hence it fit the way auba and michy play. In our team, the striker is asked to hold up the ball and involve in build up, if he struggle, everything will fall apart in term of our attacking play. 

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2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

There's little to no difference between our squad this season or last, yet Costa still scored 20 goals whilst going missing after January.

I don't think anyone in their right mind can say Morata has taken more chances than he's missed. His performance at Arsenal will live long in the memory for sure

many differences (aside from diego, which was an obvious loss):

1. Matic a good (starter) CM left and nobody came (good/great however you rate him - doesn't matter)

2. The surprise mechanics with the 3 in the back are no longer a surprise (Conte had a hand in our win)

3. Most players are not as rested and fit, which is due to the push to win last season and,

4. a lot more games this season (CL) with still a very small squad

5. Fabregas is older and looks more unfit (our only capable CM to play alongside Kante see #1)

6. the opposition is a hell lot better?! City would've won last season... easily

Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree. I look at our play and we play like crap most of the time. No striker in the world can fix that.

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many differences (sside from diego which was an obvious loss):
1. Matic a good CM left and nobody came (good/great however you rate him - doesn't matter)
2. The surprise mechanics with the 3 in the back are no longer a surprise
3. Most players are not as rested and fit, which is due to the push to win last season and,
4. a lot more games this season with still a small squad
5. Fabregas is older and looks more unfit (our only capable CM to play alongside Kante see #1)
6. the opposition is a hell lot better?! City would've won last season... easily
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree. I look at our play and we play like crap most of the time. No striker in the world can fix that.

None of those points have a direct affect on a striker's finishing or lack of. Matic alongside Kante this season would have had no bearing on Morata's numbers IMO.

The points you made are more valid as to why we finished 5th instead of defending our title.

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4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

None of those points have a direct affect on a striker's finishing or lack of. Matic alongside Kante this season would have had no bearing on Morata's numbers IMO.

The points you made are more valid as to why we finished 5th instead of defending our title.

couldn't disagree more. Striker is the most dependent position in the squad. Volume of play affects him directly with movement and opening up the opposition.

(BTW, I'm not disagreeing with the point that we could have a better striker or that Morata should be doing better)

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couldn't disagree more. Striker is the more dependent position in the squad. Volume of play affects him directly with movement and opening up the opposition.

We've created chances but he's been wasteful. You only need to look at his conversion rate (with his feet) & big chances wasted to see the obvious.  

 

However, it's always easy to pass someone's inability onto another individual/s.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

We've created chances but he's been wasteful. You only need to look at his conversion rate & big chances wasted to see the obvious.


 

Sure, I'm not disagreeing with the point that we could have a better striker or that Morata should be doing better. Lukaku would've been scoring more goals - I have no doubt about that. He's also not good enough for different reasons... So for me, we wait until next season and then if Morata cannot find his game then we find a different player, either option would still be better than having Luakaku for the next 6 years... assuming we want to take game to the next level.

But being a great finisher is literally a state of mind: very few players keep a high scoring ratio throughout their entire careers. Most go through patches of form and end up hitting their stride late in their 20s and for a short period of time (until they start losing pace). 

It's also difficult to start delivering immediately after joining a team because of the aforementioned dependency: gotta learn the timing of the runs, where the passes go, the team's tempo may be different, and whether the defenders will follow you or a diff player (say Eden).  Our movement was a lot better last season, which made it far more difficult for defenders to focus on single attacking player (that helped Eden too). Matic let us keep the ball longer, which gave us time to open up spaces and find the better pass... it's all connected.

It actually makes sense that Giroud is having an easier time atm, since he's also more familiar with the Premiere League and the tempo in which most teams play.

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I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

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4 hours ago, Thor said:

 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. 

This is the one that is kinda funny. I was also in Lukaku camp,even now I still believe that Lukaku is suited to EPL and us better than Morata but I have defended Morata so much because I can see if he can improve his physical aspect we will have a complete striker in our hand.

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5 hours ago, Thor said:

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

I basically agree with what you say mate.

I think OUR (supporters) problem is we have become mini Romans. We have bought into his 'if it doesn't work straight away then get rid of it' system.

We expext everthing that we want to be instant. Instead of letting players get accustomed to our system, gel with each other.

Now I'm not saying yhay about all players we bring in. We may have bought some players who might not be of the standard we hoped they would be.

But if a player has been playing well before he comes to us and then he seems to lack the basic abilities and awareness that position needs then theres got to be some reason for it. Either something in that players life isn't right or whatever the team is doing woth him is wrong.

I dont have the footballing brain alot of us on here have. I just love watching Chelsea. But it seems to me we have become so used to winning over the kast 15 years or so we now expect us to do it every year. We have had teams that have wotked great together. Those players aren't with us anymore. It might be we haven't bought the right ones to fill those players positions, Or we need to give some of them more patiance. But if we want to build something that will work for more than 1 season I think it takes more from us lot about new players than - 'Hes shit - sell him'

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6 hours ago, Thor said:

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

I’ve always personally been a Morata critic but I don’t see what is wrong with people pointing out how average he has been this season and that he needs to up his game? That seems to be the general narrative around here, there’s only one or two posters who are being a bit over the top no?

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2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Welcome to 2018.

As I said, Chelsea cannot afford for Morata to have a similar performance he had this season. We seriously lack firepower up front and crossing your fingers hoping Morata will become a god and score 20+ goals next season is kind of ludicrous. 

I don't mind Morata staying with us next season, as long we get another striker with a good track record. And if we have to get rid of Morata to get in someone better, so be it. Morata/Giroud as our strikeforce next season is suicide.

I'm all for us spending whatever it takes to bring in someone like Isco but we just cant get the A List trype players. So we have to set our sites loer no matter how much cheese I eat to dream that we can.

So you better have a chat with Sarri,Roman or whoever controlls our transfer system to find us a good striker from the 'B' list.

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4 minutes ago, Mana said:

Welcome to 2018. Every top club (bar maybe Liverpool) has these supporters now, not just Chelsea.

As I said, Chelsea cannot afford for Morata to have a similar performance he had this season. We seriously lack firepower up front and crossing your fingers hoping Morata will become a god and score 20+ goals next season is kind of ludicrous. 

I don't mind Morata staying with us next season, as long we get another striker with a good track record. And if we have to get rid of Morata to get in someone better, so be it. Morata/Giroud as our strikeforce next season is suicide.

If Morata goes and we get Sarri we should do everything possible to make that Martial/Willian swap happen. Martial, Hazard and (assuming we don't get a RW) Pedro under Sarri's management would be something to behold.