🇪🇸 Álvaro Morata

[Vesper 30,177]

36 minutes ago, Stats said:

Read it wrong, sorry but my point remains the same. I also think right now a lot of it is mentality issue with Morata.

He also simply isnt good enough. He is weak willed. He is not good enough to be our main striker. He lacks great footballing IQ. It happens. He needs to be shipped off and replaced. Keeping him as our main striker will destroy our season.

Blame the board, not me. I NEVER wanted him in the first place. He was never a true starter anywhere.

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2 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Stand by what I said.

they are good players, not great. We need great players to significantly improve our team.

my point is that replacing a 5.5 with a 6.0, while an improvement, won’t cut it.

couldnt care less about stats in different leagues, diff conditions. These things aren’t comparable. I see them at Arsenal and judge them by what I see.

Aubameyang is a significant upgrade if we're looking at goals scored. He already has more league goals than Morata in 18 less games.

14 in 21 is very good going and if we had someone scoring at that rate, there'd be no striker issue.

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Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

Aubameyang is a significant upgrade if we're looking at goals scored. He already has more league goals than Morata in 18 less games.

14 in 21 is very good going and if we had someone scoring at that rate, there'd be no striker issue.

I hear you and it seems many rate him, which is fine.

I think he’s a good player, but not that impressed - don’t rate bundesliga highly either.

I just don’t think these are easy comparisons to make. Arsenal is a team, and club, that favors attacking (historically) and its current starting line does too. Their style of play will make the life of attacking players easier, but will also make defending a nightmare.

i hear opinions about slotting that player, here. Replacing his with that. They are ideas, or theories, and sometimes wishful thinking (that a reserve offers more than a starter). The fact is that we don’t know. Is it likely aubameyang would be done better than morata? Yes, in hindsight we do now know what did not work (morata).

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1 minute ago, Robguima said:

I hear you and it seems many rate him, which is fine.

I think he’s a good player, but not that impressed - don’t rate bundesliga highly either.

I just don’t think these are easy comparisons to make. Arsenal is a team, and club, that favors attacking (historically) and its current starting line does too. Their style of play will make the life of attacking players easier, but will also make defending a nightmare.

i hear opinions about slotting that player, here. Replacing his with that. They are ideas, or theories, and sometimes wishful thinking (that a reserve offers more than a starter). The fact is that we don’t know. Is it likely aubameyang would be done better than morata? Yes, in hindsight we do now know what did not work (morata).

I can understand your point, but there's an argument that all teams play slightly different with different players, etc. It makes every single signing a potential risk that said player can produce what he has previously or hopefully better.

I think your argument about styles is fair for last season but this season we are playing far more offensively and creating a number of chances and Morata is still struggling. 

To be honest I don't think Aubameyang provides a huge amount more than scoring goals but he plays to his strengths on the last line of defence with his pace and is intelligent with his runs to fashion chances. And as I mentioned in the previous post, he could be pretty ineffective throughout a game but when he carries a dangerous goal threat and scores solid numbers that is at present what we desperately need.

That's the biggest problem with Morata, I'm not sure what his strength actually is (apart from being pretty good in the air with deep crosses and we don't play in that way) and whatever it is he certainly isn't playing to it.

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21 hours ago, Robguima said:

Stand by what I said.

they are good players, not great. We need great players to significantly improve our team.

my point is that replacing a 5.5 with a 6.0, while an improvement, won’t cut it.

couldnt care less about stats in different leagues, diff conditions. These things aren’t comparable. I see them at Arsenal and judge them by what I see.

Either of them would be a vast improvement now on Morata. He is truly shit.

I also am not advocating we buy either. Arse would never sell either to us.

I keep seeing (not saying you) all these 'Sarriball doesn't need a striker' posts.

Well start Hazard in the Mertens role. Rotate Pedro, CHO, Willian at the wingers slots.

If Sarri thinks that is an option, then surely sometime he must try it. I doubt he will. He really rates Willian and shows zero desire to play CHO.

We are not the French national team, with 5, 6 insane goal scorers to make up for no goals Giroud. 

I am proactive. Something needs to give or we will drop down. It's normalcy bias to think we can keep playing the same players and continue at our current pace. Far too many weak spots. CB, LB, RW, striker, some games RB (Azpi has had more bad games already than all of last year). Even Kante is not truly adjusting to new role. We are a couple injuries away from truly dire straights. 

If Hazard or Jorginho or Rüdiger went down, we are so fucked.

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6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I would argue Morata's problem is less physical and more mental.

He doesn't have the mentality of a top striker because he has absolutely no belief in himself. He doesn't need to be the strongest striker, there are plenty of examples of top strikers who aren't. If he wants to play with his back to goal then he has to back himself to hold the ball up. The only way a defender can win the ball is going through him which will be a foul, but this involves Morata inviting them to do this not assuming that's what they'll do and fall over. If they don't and simply hold their ground, then he can lay the ball off and spin them.

Otherwise he doesn't play like this and instead he plays on the last man looking to get in behind all the time. But again, you wonder if he's intimidated to do this given the amount of chances he's missed previously.

The top strikers will all go through goal droughts and bad performances but they back themselves to keep going and trying, and the fans can see that too. Hasselbaink, Drogba, Costa. It's what made them bonafide first choice strikers for the club and the same reason players like Morata and Torres simply haven't been up to scratch.

Belief matters to a point. As I mentioned to another poster I had better technique than he did at age 12. His technique is shit. 

 

He got anyway with things at Juventus and Real because there was plenty of talent to make up for his inefficiencies and he was never relied upon to lead the line. 

He does nothing to fix the problem. I don’t blame Hazard for not trusting him it’s like playing with a shit version of Torres, who compounds matters by flopping everywhere.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Fucking turd once again on Saturday, how much longer do we have to put up with the shite he serves up every week.

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Gullit slams Morata: ‘Chelsea stars don’t trust him’

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/gullit-slams-morata-chelsea-stars-don-t-trust-him-97188

[Special Juan 28,141]

For the life of me, I have no idea how anyone can defend Morata at all.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Gary Neville on Saturday mentioned the point again in his commentary "Why does he persist in always going to ground"

There is a simple answer to that, it's because he has no idea what to do other than go to ground.

I will say it again, we have two very average strikers, but right now Giroud is lesser of the two evils and is much better than Morata.

[Vybzkartel 284]

I finally snapped this weekend. He has to go, lets cut our losses here and move on. 

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2 hours ago, Special Juan said:

For the life of me, I have no idea how anyone can defend Morata at all.

I was hoping Sarri would resurrect him but his a lost cause. We should cut our losses and move Hazard to the middle and play Willian Pedro Hazard up top. Preferebly itr would be Hudson Odoi ahead of Willian but we know Sarri will never do that so the least we can get is Willian Pedro Hazard front 3 in Sarri's system.

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5 hours ago, Mana said:

That is a terrible, terrible comparison.

Arsenal's strikers are way better than Morata, especially in front of goal, always have been - I don't know what you've been watching. You went on to say "different clubs, different leagues" as your argument, but Morata has been shite in almost every league he's been to except for that one Juve season. At least Auba and Laca had a great track record. 20 goals. A stat Morata never achieved in his professional career. And BOTH of these Arse players did more in the PL, then Morata has so far. Auba moved to Arsenal THIS year and is already ahead of Morata in all-time.

And you would be stupid to think that Auba and Laca won't score loads more as the season goes on. You can't say the same for Morata.

The only striker within the top 6 that you can compare Morata to is Lukaku. 

And to top it off, strongly disagree that Morata is a "good player".

Morata did score 20 goals once. The year before we bought him, he bagged 20 for RM.. But that was in all comps and most were against utterly shit teams in garbage time. His CL goals (and that Juve year) are what inflated his price to an insane £70m quid.

Even his little purple patch with us in fall 2017 was a mirage, as so many of them were headers from superb crosses with him not being marked well. Teams quickly learned to defend that by muscling up on the weak cunt. He is not even an accurate shooter. Compare his efficiency to a truly gifted sniper like Icardi. Galaxies apart.

Higuain (who I do not even like) is also a deadly shooter, or was when he set the alltime single season goal scoring record in Serie A under Sarri.

Morata is worse than Torres. That is saying something, something truly bad.

Almost zero chance we finish top 4 with Morata leading the line. Almost zero with Giroud if we don't add a WC RW in January. Hazard cannot carry the team on his shoulders. Pedro is very slight of build and ageing, which leads to many injuries. Willian is not the answer, never was. He is a squad player level.

Sarri will probably give CHO 3, 4, 5 partial games max, and he will chose to not renew and leave in the summer, or on a free the next. Wouldn't shock me to see him go to another team and become a truly flat-out WC winger, another mini version of the De Bruyne debacle, made even worse because he is so young (almost 10 years younger than KDB).

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Morata always had this type of space 

But we couldn't take advantage of it because he would mess it up everytime  

 

 

 

 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Depressing to think salah reached 50 goals for Liverpool yesterday... In 65 appearances 

And yet we have Morata.. Who is on 18 with 60 appearancee.. Yay. 

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3 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

Depressing to think salah reached 50 goals for Liverpool yesterday... In 65 appearances 

And yet we have Morata.. Who is on 18 with 60 appearancee.. Yay. 

Have no fear, in the next 5 games Alvaro will surely score 32 goals!

[BXL70 396]

Have you watched Morata at 77” and 79” against Derby? Two seaters. Two dreadful misses.

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6 hours ago, BXL70 said:

Have you watched Morata at 77” and 79” against Derby? Two seaters. Two dreadful misses.

Did the keeper not save them?

He's certainly looked better recently although for the money he cost you want more yes.

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10 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

 

misses in training, misses in a game. Check ✔️