Álvaro Morata

[mashimaru161 77]

2 hours ago, Dahnald said:

To be honest, I've watched him for a few games now for Real and he starts to impress.

 

Benzema is a horrible striker. Has been Real's worst striker in the last 15 years in my opinion yet he finds himself in the starting XI every singly "big" game. Same goes for Gareth Bale who's also absolutely not on the level Real wants to be. But it's been known that Perez makes the XI and Real's managers don't.

But every time he comes on (Morata), he scores and he's doing it well. Right now, I would choose him over Lukaku as I think he suits Conte's style better. I think Conte wants to go 3-5-2 next season (hence the lack of winger transfer rumors) and Morata is well suited for that formation.

 

60 million however would be absurd.

60m is normal price for a good striker nowadays, I'd be more open to lukaku transfer if he's only 60m, 85m is madness... F*ck everton

[Thor 2,692]

2 hours ago, Dahnald said:

To be honest, I've watched him for a few games now for Real and he starts to impress.

 

Benzema is a horrible striker. Has been Real's worst striker in the last 15 years in my opinion yet he finds himself in the starting XI every singly "big" game. Same goes for Gareth Bale who's also absolutely not on the level Real wants to be. But it's been known that Perez makes the XI and Real's managers don't.

But every time he comes on (Morata), he scores and he's doing it well. Right now, I would choose him over Lukaku as I think he suits Conte's style better. I think Conte wants to go 3-5-2 next season (hence the lack of winger transfer rumors) and Morata is well suited for that formation.

 

60 million however would be absurd.

3-5-2 would be interesting. Does it work with Morata and Lukaku playing side by side? 

Morata the one building up the play, decent hold up play, etc. Lukaku the pacey, clinical, strong striker feasting on through balls?

I don't know why people don't like Lukaku. He is absolutely clinical in front of goal, and can shake defenders off on the counter like nothing. And I don't know if the rest of the board has been watching, but we've been doing a lot of counter attacking recently. We're already good at it, but we'd be great with Lukaku. 

[Dahnald 256]

36 minutes ago, Thor said:

3-5-2 would be interesting. Does it work with Morata and Lukaku playing side by side? 

Morata the one building up the play, decent hold up play, etc. Lukaku the pacey, clinical, strong striker feasting on through balls?

I don't know why people don't like Lukaku. He is absolutely clinical in front of goal, and can shake defenders off on the counter like nothing. And I don't know if the rest of the board has been watching, but we've been doing a lot of counter attacking recently. We're already good at it, but we'd be great with Lukaku. 

It wouldn't work with Lukaku because you need strikers that move into the right positions and sometimes I see Lukaku on the other side of the pitch, unable to receive a ball when Everton are attacking.

[Pizy 18,877]

Really shouldn't be a one or the other situation. We should be after both Lukaku and Morata. We can't have a massive drop off in quality between our main striker and the other options. That's a big thing that separates really good sides to the great ones. 

If we want to compete on all fronts next season we'll need a big squad packed with quality. In the PL alone, imagine lining up against the small teams using both Lukaku & Morata up top. Lukaku on his own is nearly unstoppable against those sides in an average Everton team. Surrounded by top class players here and with a strike partner like Morata could be lethal and we'd see the return of 6-0 or 7-0 type scores we saw in Mou's first spell.

[Bulshizza 15]

Alvaro Morata has turned down a £147m contract in China, and is keen to listen to interest from Chelsea, per @marca

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

13 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Morata played for Juventus and Real - teams with real quality. Lukaku in the mean time has played for West Brom and Everton. The difference is basically one plays with quality team mates, the other doesn't. 

Lukaku hasn't been tested in the CL so you can't say for sure that he won't have Morata's impact either. 

Morata genuinely reminds me of like a Negredo or Soldado. Decent striker, nothing more. If we're going to pay £50/60m for a striker, I'd rather see it go to Lukaku tbh. Morata will never truly be worth that money - he's peaked as a player already, he won't improve much. What is there to improve on? He's already a well rounded player, but doesn't offer anything exceptional whatsoever. 

Lukaku has some unique traits about him at the very least, and is also in my opinion a much better presence than Morata. When both are on form, Lukaku is a much bigger threat, because he has a unique skill set that can trouble even the best of defenders. Morata does not possess anything unique. Genuinely think he's just another Soldado. 

Personally i prefer Morata over Lukaku  because Morata is a more well rounded striker then Lukaku. I feel a more well rounded striker would be better for our team.

In our system our striker has to both run the channels aswell as drop off and link up with the rest of the team. Morata is good at both those things while Lukaku is great at running the channels but poor when it comes to linking up with the rest of the team. 

I also feel that Morata would give us more stable performances (less peaks but less drops) while Lukaku would be more like Jekyll and Hyde great in one game but useless in the next one. 

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

Personally i prefer Morata over Lukaku  because Morata is a more well rounded striker then Lukaku. I feel a more well rounded striker would be better for our team.

In our system our striker has to both run the channels aswell as drop off and link up with the rest of the team. Morata is good at both those things while Lukaku is great at running the channels but poor when it comes to linking up with the rest of the team. 

I also feel that Morata would give us more stable performances (less peaks but less drops) while Lukaku would be more like Jekyll and Hyde great in one game but useless in the next one. 

 

I disagree. I used to think the same, but I think we need someone who's a physical presence up front. Morata has none of that. I understand that the issue with Lukaku is that he can have big highs and big lows, but I believe that as he matures his game these will happen less often, and he'd usually play at a high level. Lukaku's link up has improved a lot as well, it's on Costa's level imo, which will do.

I'm not saying Morata is a bad player btw, but for the ambitions I think we should have as a team, I think Lukaku, who still has room to grow, would be the better option. Morata has already peaked. I think Lukaku is ready to show what he can do when he's part of a top club.

[Pizy 18,877]

I must say, he looks fucking electric and almost unstoppable in this video. I knew he was very skillful for a striker but in these highlights he could pass as an excellent wide player.

 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

I disagree. I used to think the same, but I think we need someone who's a physical presence up front. Morata has none of that. I understand that the issue with Lukaku is that he can have big highs and big lows, but I believe that as he matures his game these will happen less often, and he'd usually play at a high level. Lukaku's link up has improved a lot as well, it's on Costa's level imo, which will do.

I'm not saying Morata is a bad player btw, but for the ambitions I think we should have as a team, I think Lukaku, who still has room to grow, would be the better option. Morata has already peaked. I think Lukaku is ready to show what he can do when he's part of a top club.

Problem for me is that his physical presence only counts when he's running with his face towards the opposition's goal. Back to goal he struggles because of his lacking link up ability.

I think people like to exaggerate how much he's improved. His link up play has gone from awful to somewhere between poor and average.

While i understand the logic of comparing Lukaku's link up play to Costa's.( i agree that their link up is somewhat on the same level)

The issue that i have with that is that Costa was able to make it work because of his tenacity and his really sharp off the ball movement.

Lukaku doesn't have either of those 2 things. 

Personally i feel like both Morata and Lukaku won't improve significantly anymore.

I think it's dangerous to buy Lukaku with the assumption that he'll improve or/and that he plays better just because he'd play for a top club.

There's absolutely nothing that would guarantee that.

[quickpassnmove 924]

Choose the striker that finishes more competently and who might develop a little bit of deception or elusiveness. Lukaku and Morata can improve, but I doubt Lukaku every becomes elusive or deceptive. Belotti... might be greater. Patrik Schick looks an interesting one also; so cool and accurate with his shots.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

6 hours ago, Pizy said:

I must say, he looks fucking electric and almost unstoppable in this video. I knew he was very skillful for a striker but in these highlights he could pass as an excellent wide player.

 

The things Morata instantly improves over Costa is the linkup play, holdup play, dribbling and aerial threat. Hazard will love him. Morata still runs the channels like costa, is energetic and presses from the front like Conte likes.

The major problem is if he's as good a goalscoring striker as Costa or even lukaku. But his stats are good though. 

 

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[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Would love to see him playing for Chelsea one day. Think he will fit in well in PL.

[DYC. 7,542]

10 hours ago, Pizy said:

I must say, he looks fucking electric and almost unstoppable in this video. I knew he was very skillful for a striker but in these highlights he could pass as an excellent wide player.

 

He's been fantastic for Real this year, has to be said. In and out of the team but still managed to make a big impact.

[Dahnald 256]

Morata and Lukaku as 2 up front won't be a bad idea.

 

Especially because I don't think Alexis Sanchez will join us. Costa will be out, Michy was never a Conte-buy so why we need 2 new strikers.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,064]

7 hours ago, quickpassnmove said:

Choose the striker that finishes more competently and who might develop a little bit of deception or elusiveness. Lukaku and Morata can improve, but I doubt Lukaku every becomes elusive or deceptive. Belotti... might be greater. Patrik Schick looks an interesting one also; so cool and accurate with his shots.

Obviously, like all clubs, we'll have run the rule over those players and for sure there are some interesting looking options on that list. All bar one in my opinion. Rom won't improve the areas in which we think he's lacking. His difficulties come down to talent and, long before now, long before he joined Chelsea indeed, his talent level was fixed. It cannot, and will not, change in future.

I offered this opinion about Rom's talent placing a firm ceiling on what he can do, shortly after he joined Chelsea. Some people disagreed, many very strongly, but I'm more convinced about this than I am about anything else in football. If it is possible to improve talent level just by practising, then why isn't everybody as good as Lionel Messi? There are some skills which can be polished, some physical attributes which can be honed, some techniques which can be mastered. Working on any of the things covered by those headings will help, but a player's talent is his talent and he's stuck with it.

Based on this belief I made three predictions, back in 2011, about how I thought things would go for Rom: -

• First, I said that his intelligence would enable him to understand his strengths, work on them, and therefore make a good contribution to his team.
• Second, I said that no manager of a top level club would ever be satisfied with Rom as their main striker. He might be given a try, but the manager would soon be asking his club to go back to the market for an upgrade.
• Third, I said that people would still be complaining about the same aspects of Rom's game when he was twenty-five and that many would forget they had claimed he would have resolved those issues by then. Those forgetful ones, who don't accept that talent is fixed, would still be arguing Rom can improve. To be fair, Rom is only twenty-three so is some way short of that deadline, but I'm certain it'll happen. In fact I'll go so far as to say, I know it will.