Tiemoue Bakayoko

[Tautvix 1,321]

4 minutes ago, communicate said:

Not surprised with this. He is very good for Conte style but horribe for one touch football of Sarri 

Very good for Conte style? What? Have you been watching last season?

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3 hours ago, Amblève. said:

We gotta send Milan a card or something. First they save us from Torres and now potentially Bakayoko as well.

It's a shame they didn't take Luiz fabregas Alonso off our hands as well 

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23 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

Very good for Conte style? What? Have you been watching last season?

I support his signing. Bakayoko game make sense in Conte two destroyer system, he was poor most game last season but if Conte is still our manager he will be given more chance. 

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Dimarzio reporting that we have agreed to a 1 year loan with 35m(Euro) option to buy. I hope he kills it and they buy him, 35m Euro is close enough to his price tag that we recoup most of an investment that never took off and certainly doesnt fit our current style.

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Tiémoué Bakayoko set to join Milan on loan with option to buy for between €30-35 million according to Sky Sport's Gianluca Di Marzio.

https://m.calciomercato.com/en/news/report-ac-milan-agree-fee-for-chelsea-midfielder-deal-close-13368

[Alabama 1,992]

What fucking day to be a Chelsea fan...Marina again strike the jackpot

Kepa

Kovacic 

And Bakayoko on loan with €35m option to buy...what a fucking deal...

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4 hours ago, eemanyooel said:

What fucking day to be a Chelsea fan...Marina again strike the jackpot

Kepa

Kovacic 

And Bakayoko on loan with €35m option to buy...what a fucking deal...

Kepa was a panic signing to replace a player who is in his last year contract and has told the club time and time again he wouldn't sign an extension. So, we are breaking the world record for GK to acquire a VERY promising young GK who is NOT proven at this level (from Bilbao). It is especially expensive considering the risk involved - alisson was less risky.

Kovacic is a controversial one because of the buy option or the lack thereof, esp considering he's also unproven (many similarities with Morata for ex). 

In any other business, Marina would be in trouble for the complete lack of planning, but I guess football and Chelsea are different.

Yes, we can be happy about the signings and NOT the way they've been done - different things.

Also, She brought Bakayoko in, so until she sells him... it's on her.

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31 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Kepa was a panic signing to replace a player who is in his last year contract and has told the club time and time again he wouldn't sign an extension. So, we are breaking the world record for GK to acquire a VERY promising young GK who is NOT proven at this level (from Bilbao). It is especially expensive considering the risk involved - alisson was less risky.

Kovacic is a controversial one because of the buy option or the lack thereof, esp considering he's also unproven (many similarities with Morata for ex). 

In any other business, Marina would be in trouble for the complete lack of planning, but I guess football and Chelsea are different.

Yes, we can be happy about the signings and NOT the way they've been done - different things.

Also, She brought Bakayoko in, so until she sells him... it's on her.

What is your fuss all about? I guess even if we sign CR7...you will still moan... Enjoy the moment at least we are moving in the right or proper direction backing up Sarri and giving him essential players to make a success here...

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5 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

What is your fuss all about? I guess even if we sign CR7...you will still moan... Enjoy the moment at least we are moving in the right or proper direction backing up Sarri and giving him essential players to make a success here...

No I would not have moaned had we signed Ronaldo on a one year loan without buy option. Or modric

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1 hour ago, Robguima said:

No I would not have moaned had we signed Ronaldo on a one year loan without buy option. Or modric

I would. With current team, they wouldnt help us achieve much more.

We are in transition (again) and every smart team will BUILD their team during this time. Not loan other players without actualy buying them because they rather give the spot and time to players who are set to stay here for a while.

Put it this way. We got Kovacic and he has super season PERSONALY. However Chelsea as team isnt there yet to win stuff. But next year with signing or two they might be. However, Kovacic leaves and we are back to stage one without a quality midfileder, time and resources again have to be spend on Kovacic replacement, and those two signings are again pushed further. If we gave that time to Mason (huge long shot but just an example) and he exploded, we would have fixed midfield and could focus on those two new signings, hence improvement.

If we had perfect team bar that one classy midfilder or winger, then yes Ronaldo/Modric would be good. But right now we are rebuilding squad and Ronaldo/Modric for only a season wouldnt outweight the chance to develop a player in their spot that would actualy stay here for next 5 years or so.

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14 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

I would. With current team, they wouldnt help us achieve much more.

We are in transition (again) and every smart team will BUILD their team during this time. Not loan other players without actualy buying them because they rather give the spot and time to players who are set to stay here for a while.

Put it this way. We got Kovacic and he has super season PERSONALY. However Chelsea as team isnt there yet to win stuff. But next year with signing or two they might be. However, Kovacic leaves and we are back to stage one without a quality midfileder, time and resources again have to be spend on Kovacic replacement, and those two signings are again pushed further. If we gave that time to Mason (huge long shot but just an example) and he exploded, we would have fixed midfield and could focus on those two new signings, hence improvement.

If we had perfect team bar that one classy midfilder or winger, then yes Ronaldo/Modric would be good. But right now we are rebuilding squad and Ronaldo/Modric for only a season wouldnt outweight the chance to develop a player in their spot that would actualy stay here for next 5 years or so.

I don’t disagree with your long term reasoning. Just that players of that caliber, modric and ronaldo, could potentially give the club and the team such a boost that their acquisition would outweigh the negatives. Could also be the difference between cl or not.

dont think Kovacic is in the same bracket and am also concerned that he may hinder RLCs development.

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5 minutes ago, Robguima said:

I don’t disagree with your long term reasoning. Just that players of that caliber, modric and ronaldo, could potentially give the club and the team such a boost that their acquisition would outweigh the negatives. Could also be the difference between cl or not.

dont think Kovacic is in the same bracket and am also concerned that he may hinder RLCs development.

Yeah they would attract attention thats true. But in Kovacic case like you say it wont. And what we end up is player that will take time, patience, trust and he can say goodbye after a year.

And if Real sells aging Modric next summer and tells Kovacic you are great, come back: he will not hesitate for a second, that is my worry. RLC or whoever else will remain on this year level and we will need to buy new midfleder, spending money, time and who knows how will that new player adopt, another Bakayoko and we lose yet another year.

[Tomo 21,736]

On August 8, 2018 at 9:56 PM, BlueLyon said:

I would. With current team, they wouldnt help us achieve much more.

We are in transition (again) and every smart team will BUILD their team during this time. Not loan other players without actualy buying them because they rather give the spot and time to players who are set to stay here for a while.

Put it this way. We got Kovacic and he has super season PERSONALY. However Chelsea as team isnt there yet to win stuff. But next year with signing or two they might be. However, Kovacic leaves and we are back to stage one without a quality midfileder, time and resources again have to be spend on Kovacic replacement, and those two signings are again pushed further. If we gave that time to Mason (huge long shot but just an example) and he exploded, we would have fixed midfield and could focus on those two new signings, hence improvement.

If we had perfect team bar that one classy midfilder or winger, then yes Ronaldo/Modric would be good. But right now we are rebuilding squad and Ronaldo/Modric for only a season wouldnt outweight the chance to develop a player in their spot that would actualy stay here for next 5 years or so.

We can balance the two. As much as it's a building season it's also crucial we get back in top four, we are pushing it asking Hazard and Kante to give up CL football for the second time in prime years, a third will be taking the piss.

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32 minutes ago, Tomo said:

We can balance the two. As much as it's a building season it's also crucial we get back in top four, we are pushing it asking Hazard and Kante to give up CL football for the second time in prime years, a third will be taking the piss.

Not asking them to do owt! If they dont want to be here let someone buy them.

Kante is a guy that will give 100% every day all day. Eden you need to mother.

We dont have a god given right to be in the top 4 every year. we have just become spoiled to it,  Its times like now that players show their characters. They either dig in and fight or walk about not giving a toss.

Jorginho came to us from a team already in the CL so theres more for some players than just CL.

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52 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Not asking them to do owt! If they dont want to be here let someone buy them.

Kante is a guy that will give 100% every day all day. Eden you need to mother.

We dont have a god given right to be in the top 4 every year. we have just become spoiled to it,  Its times like now that players show their characters. They either dig in and fight or walk about not giving a toss.

Jorginho came to us from a team already in the CL so theres more for some players than just CL.

Most players would give it up as a one off under the right circumstances (i even think we still stood half a chance of signing Hazard even with a loss in Munich), but if we fail to make it again and they stay they would be missing CL footy minimum 3 of the 5 seasons between the prime ages of 25-29, thats a huge thing to ask from players so good at what they do, especially for Kante who's already will be hitting his 28th birthday with only 1 CL shot ever.

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Most players would give it up as a one off under the right circumstances (i even think we still stood half a chance of signing Hazard even with a loss in Munich), but if we fail to make it again and they stay they would be missing CL footy minimum 3 of the 5 seasons between the prime ages of 25-29, thats a huge thing to ask from players so good at what they do, especially for Kante who's already will be hitting his 28th birthday with only 1 CL shot ever.

I dont THINK the WBM will leave to anywhere but PSG myself. And its an awful thought and hope I'm wrong but I see Eden at Manure when Mou is sacked and ZZ takes over. So whether he signs a new contract,we win the PL or we make him captain he will join ZZ when he whistles.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

9 hours ago, Tomo said:

We can balance the two. As much as it's a building season it's also crucial we get back in top four, we are pushing it asking Hazard and Kante to give up CL football for the second time in prime years, a third will be taking the piss.

Yes I agree completely, but would be better if Chelsea planned ahead, now we were left with no other quality choice but Kovacic on loan without buy clause.

But IMO doesnt matter if our midfield is perfect, if Morata replicates last season form, we are not going to be in top 4, simple as that. We need two reliable players, like we had with Eden and Costa. Now we only have Eden. Thats not enough to get in top 4 right now, considering how shit our defence looked recently. Sarri got his midfield, but he also plays attacking football and we dont have quality striker which is very worrying.

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34 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

But IMO doesnt matter if our midfield is perfect, if Morata replicates last season form, we are not going to be in top 4, simple as that. We need two reliable players, like we had with Eden and Costa. Now we only have Eden. Thats not enough to get in top 4 right now, considering how shit our defence looked recently. Sarri got his midfield, but he also plays attacking football and we dont have quality striker which is very worrying.

The goalscoring burden should not be only on Morata and Hazard. Others have to contribute as well. When we had successful seasons in the past, we usually had at least 3-4 players contributing at least 10 goals. Take our 16/17 season for example - Costa, Hazard, Pedro and Willian each scored more than 10 goals - 20, 17, 13 and 12 respectively in all competitions. And if we look at last season's top four, three of the teams had at least 3 players who scored more than 10 goals in the Premier League:

Man City - Sterling (18), Aguero (21), Sane (10), Jesus (13)
Liverpool - Salah (32), Firmino (15), Mane (10)
Spurs - Kane (30), Son (12), Eriksen (10)

So, Willian, Pedro, Giroud, Barkley etc MUST also contribute their fair share of goals.