Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, akgw13 said: I don't think either of us will agree with the rating of Allan or Kante. Regardless we will get to see how he performs this year in the system. You still haven't answered my 2nd question: Who do we currently have or who would you buy(that is somewhat available) to be this B2B player? I'd have to think on it a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Kante isn't a DM in my view. His best performances have come in a midfield 2 with either Drinkwater or Matic and both sit deeper. He hunts the ball and presses. He is Perfeft for the right cm in a 3 with Jorginho behind. He will not be able to make passes when he is hounded and doesn't have an obvious option and he is ridiculously hesitant when he is in and around the box. Fine. But for the his strengths completely out weigh that. An if just one person presses, I'm becoming more and more confident in Kantes dribbling that I think he'll have few problems. He can play quick simple passes. He will fit fine. kellzfresh, Mufassir08 and 11Drogba 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, akgw13 said: You still haven't answered my 2nd question: Who do we currently have or who would you buy(that is somewhat available) to be this B2B player? Mateo Kovacic, Illarramendi, Tanguy NDombele, Sergi Roberto, Luka Milivojevic, Thiago Alcántara, Giovani Lo Celso, SMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I don't get how anyone is questioning where Kante fits. Kante fits in every midfield. Saw some (not sure if here) people question how whether Azpi can play RB in this system as well. Kante and Azpi are ballers. They play under every system. manpe, 11Drogba and Unionjack 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I thought it was kind of funny that of all the signing from last season (that played) Morata looked the worst. Zappa, Bakayoko, Barkley, Emerson all looked better than Morata. It's just one match, but it wasn't pretty from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Kante is not only a beast at retrieving lost balls, but I think he is the second best dribbler in the squad. Would do amazing in a midfield 3 with Jorginho and 1 other. 11Drogba and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 From one extreme to another. No, he is nowhere near being "second best dribbler", but is not bad at dribbling. He has no that much close control in his moves with the ball, but has really good acceleration and that is often enough. It's foolish to think that he is on Willian and Pedros' level. 1. Hazard 2. Willian, Pedro 3. Kante, David Luiz, Azpi, Moses, Morata (and Emerson, RLC and Barkley I would say, just need to see more of them - with RLC maybe even leveled with Pedro and Willy) 4, Alonso, Rudiger, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Fabregas (he is ok-ish actually, but way way too slow this days), Giroud So, all in all, he should be enough. communicate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said: I don't get how anyone is questioning where Kante fits. Kante fits in every midfield. Saw some (not sure if here) people question how whether Azpi can play RB in this system as well. Kante and Azpi are ballers. They play under every system. If not B2B, stick Kante in DM and move Jorginho further forward? Sarri's got a number of options to play around in midfield. As @The Skipper mentioned before, Azpi should be fine playing the Hysaj role under Sarri. Sarri should be sacked if he doesn't play two of our best players in the starting XI. Sideshow Luiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Jason said: If not B2B, stick Kante in DM and move Jorginho further forward? Sarri's got a number of options to play around in midfield. As @The Skipper mentioned before, Azpi should be fine playing the Hysaj role under Sarri. Sarri should be sacked if he doesn't play two of our best players in the starting XI. Was waiting to see when the first sack Sarri comment came out.. Thought maybe after the squad were picked tho. 11Drogba and DANILA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 9 hours ago, El P. said: From one extreme to another. No, he is nowhere near being "second best dribbler", but is not bad at dribbling. He has no that much close control in his moves with the ball, but has really good acceleration and that is often enough. It's foolish to think that he is on Willian and Pedros' level. 1. Hazard 2. Willian, Pedro 3. Kante, David Luiz, Azpi, Moses, Morata (and Emerson, RLC and Barkley I would say, just need to see more of them - with RLC maybe even leveled with Pedro and Willy) 4, Alonso, Rudiger, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Fabregas (he is ok-ish actually, but way way too slow this days), Giroud So, all in all, he should be enough. Lol you are putting Kante with Morata and Moses. No need to even bother with the rest of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Polo7 said: Lol you are putting Kante with Morata and Moses. No need to even bother with the rest of your post. Lol, got me there. Put Kante where Morata is, in crowded area between huge defenders, and you will see Ronaldinho... if you guys didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Unionjack said: Was waiting to see when the first sack Sarri comment came out.. Thought maybe after the squad were picked tho. Wanna join the bandwagon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Jason said: Wanna join the bandwagon? Nah. I'll give the old boy some breathing room. I think he might need some if we dont get some forwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 22 hours ago, Jason said: If not B2B, stick Kante in DM and move Jorginho further forward? Sarri's got a number of options to play around in midfield. As @The Skipper mentioned before, Azpi should be fine playing the Hysaj role under Sarri. Sarri should be sacked if he doesn't play two of our best players in the starting XI. Would rather have Kante as B2B, and Jorginho as CDM, pulling strings in the quarterback role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 0:08 PM, Jason said: If not B2B, stick Kante in DM and move Jorginho further forward? Sarri's got a number of options to play around in midfield. Bad idea. One of our problem playing 352 last season was kante passing. His passing was way too conservative for the the freest player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 4:47 AM, Sideshow Luiz said: I don't get how anyone is questioning where Kante fits. Kante fits in every midfield. Saw some (not sure if here) people question how whether Azpi can play RB in this system as well. Kante and Azpi are ballers. They play under every system. Nah, it make sense to ask whether kante will fit into this system. He has never been asked to go forward and make run into penalty box like the way Sarri want to play. I personally think he will do just fine. But it is going to be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, communicate said: Nah, it make sense to ask whether kante will fit into this system. He has never been asked to go forward and make run into penalty box like the way Sarri want to play. I personally think he will do just fine. But it is going to be interesting. We know he can go forward, not the nest but hes a dribbler. And he can score goals - ask Manure he put 2 past them So Ive no problem whatsoever in .him being one of the 1st I'd always start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 The only way I would even consider it would be if we bought Savic Juventus target Chelsea star in a 3-player swap deal https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/reports-juventus-kante-chelsea-3-player-swap-deal?key=newsnow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Unionjack said: The only way I would even consider it would be if we bought Savic Juventus target Chelsea star in a 3-player swap deal https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/reports-juventus-kante-chelsea-3-player-swap-deal?key=newsnow except M-S isnt a DMF Lets start with Kante who I assign £125m value as a base for the swap then we have these other expendables who would fit in at Juve Luiz £25m Alonso £40m (as long as Alex Sandro is in the deal from their side) Bakayoko £40m Morata £55m Willian £55m Juve has 4 (who I want) Rugani £45m Alex Sandro £55m Pjanic £80m Federico Bernardeschi £40m £220m total Find some combo of ours that includes Kante they will take for those 4 (It will include Kante (their main want) and Alonso (to replace Alex Sandro) for sure, plus I would add Morata, who they want too) Thats is £220m in our value for their £220m in value DONE AND DUSTED THEN we Sell Willian Man U swap for Martial (give them extra £10m cash to stuff in Mo's fucking gobhole too, I do not give a fuck) so minus £10m Drinkwater (Palace wants him pretty bad) £30m because he is HG Luiz EASY sell, PSG already has enquired multiple times £25m Bakayoko Sevilla wants him SELL HIM TO THEM £35m Cahill like 5 EPL teams want him £20m (why so high?, because he is fucking ENGLISH, lolol) Moses same as Cahill, multiple EPL have enquired £25m Courtois sale adds $35m thats £160m in the bank, so £160m to play with we only need (as I am counting Martial as our new striker, he wil be GREAT there under Sarri) and we have totally sorted CB, RB, LB, AMF, RW DMF (I already have 5 to choose from NONE will be more than £50m) Thomas Partey Atletico Madrid (hell yes and they already bought a replacement, Rodri, the new Busquets) Danilo Pereira Porto (Best DMF in Portuguese Liga NOS BY FAR) Denis Zakaria Borussia Mönchengladbach (big, fast as hell, only 21, had a great WC) Diadie Samassékou Red Bull Salzburg, young sorta kante clone, was MASSIVE in Eurpo league run they had, not only best DMF in Austria, but BEST PLAYER) Wilfred Ndidi Leicester City only 21 still, poor mans Kante, we could do far worse then GK Strakosha £45m LW Leon Bailey £65m there's your team all under budget GK Strakosha CB Rudiger, Christensen, Rugani, Ampadu RB Azpi, Zappacosta LB Alex Sandro, Emerson DMF one of the 5 above, lets say Thomas from AM (BEAST) or Danilo Pereira from Porto CMF, deep holding playmaker Jorginho CMF backups Fabregas, RLC AMF Pjanic , Barkley LW Hazard, Bailey CHO RW , Bernardeshi, Pedro (Bailey can play here too) I would maybe even sell Pedro and take money plus whatever is left from the 160m and buy another DMF off that list, say Diadie Samassékou Striker Martial, Giroud, Bats so deep, so much utter attacking power AND a strong as fuck back 4 with world class goalkeeper,all within the 60m net spend too BOOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: except M-S isnt a DMF Lets start with Kante who I assign £125m value as a base for the swap then we have these other expendables who would fit in at Juve Luiz £25m Alonso £40m (as long as Alex Sandro is in the deal from their side) Bakayoko £40m Morata £55m Willian £55m Juve has 4 (who I want) Rugani £45m Alex Sandro £55m Pjanic £80m Federico Bernardeschi £40m £220m total Find some combo of ours that includes Kante they will take for those 4 (It will include Kante (their main want) and Alonso (to replace Alex Sandro) for sure, plus I would add Morata, who they want too) Thats is £220m in our value for their £220m in value DONE AND DUSTED THEN we Sell Willian Man U swap for Martial (give them extra £10m cash to stuff in Mo's fucking gobhole too, I do not give a fuck) so minus £10m Drinkwater (Palace wants him pretty bad) £30m because he is HG Luiz EASY sell, PSG already has enquired multiple times £25m Bakayoko Sevilla wants him SELL HIM TO THEM £35m Cahill like 5 EPL teams want him £20m (why so high?, because he is fucking ENGLISH, lolol) Moses same as Cahill, multiple EPL have enquired £25m Courtois sale adds $35m thats £160m in the bank, so £160m to play with we only need (as I am counting Martial as our new striker, he wil be GREAT there under Sarri) and we have totally sorted CB, RB, LB, AMF, RW DMF (I already have 5 to choose from NONE will be more than £50m) Thomas Partey Atletico Madrid (hell yes and they already bought a replacement, Rodri, the new Busquets) Danilo Pereira Porto (Best DMF in Portuguese Liga NOS BY FAR) Denis Zakaria Borussia Mönchengladbach (big, fast as hell, only 21, had a great WC) Diadie Samassékou Red Bull Salzburg, young sorta kante clone, was MASSIVE in Eurpo league run they had, not only best DMF in Austria, but BEST PLAYER) Wilfred Ndidi Leicester City only 21 still, poor mans Kante, we could do far worse then GK Strakosha £45m LW Leon Bailey £65m there's your team all under budget GK Strakosha CB Rudiger, Christensen, Rugani, Ampadu RB Azpi, Zappacosta LB Alex Sandro, Emerson DMF one of the 5 above, lets say Thomas from AM (BEAST) or Danilo Pereira from Porto CMF, deep holding playmaker Jorginho CMF backups Fabregas, RLC AMF Pjanic , Barkley LW Hazard, Bailey CHO RW , Bernardeshi, Pedro (Bailey can play here too)I would maybe even sell Pedro and take money plus whatever is left from the 160m and but another DMF off that list, say Diadie Samassékou Striker Martial, Giroud, Bats so deep, so much utter attacking power AND a strong as fuck back 4 with world class goalkeeper,all withing the 60m net spend too BOOM Wee Baldy Man wont go anywhere but France IMO And it leaves us high and dry wih a replacement. Hes my fave player but I'm all about strengthening the team. So IF theres a deal available in our favor its got to be done I'm afraid. I just hope our none footballing Granny understands just what we have in him. You talk far too much sense so you know none of it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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