🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Tammy Abraham

[1905didierblue 748]

1 minute ago, Fernando said:

That's why we need a top striker. 

Tammy can be good for back up. 

And this is based on what exactly? Him being the PL top scorer? Or one average showing in CL. Want to look at the club legend DD's performance against Barca in 08/09 semis and how many clear cut chances he missed. 

What Tammy "missed" today were 50-50 Chances. He was a nuisance to the ajax CBs who by the way both were red carded. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Him being the PL top scorer?

Factually, that's wrong. Vardy is the top scorer with 10 goals. Abraham has 9.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

And this is based on what exactly? Him being the PL top scorer? Or one average showing in CL. Want to look at the club legend DD's performance against Barca in 08/09 semis and how many clear cut chances he missed. 

What Tammy "missed" today were 50-50 Chances. He was a nuisance to the ajax CBs who by the way both were red carded. 

nope he missed a series of free headers. and he is not PL top scorer. But given the chances he had he should be. Only becasue DD made a meal out of that BArca semi which obviously was way mroe grave does not make Tammy good enough. 

[1905didierblue 748]

Just now, Magic Lamps said:

nope he missed a series of free headers. and he is not PL top scorer. But given the chances he had he should be. Only becasue DD made a meal out of that BArca semi which obviously was way mroe grave does not make Tammy good enough. 

 

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Factually, that's wrong. Vardy is the top scorer with 10 goals. Abraham has 9.

My bad. The joint 2nd top scorer with 9 goals in 11 games with strikers like vardy, auba, kun in and around. Truly that company shows that he is "not good enough" 😂😂

Vardy 32, kun 31, auba 30 also have the advantage of having the age on their side compared to a 22 year old Tammy. 

Which free headers? Care to give a vid of those. My definition of free headers must be different since I saw him getting just ahead of defenders and infact making space for himself by really good runs.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

11 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

 

My bad. The joint 2nd top scorer with 9 goals in 11 games with strikers like vardy, auba, kun in and around. Truly that company shows that he is "not good enough" 😂😂

Vardy 32, kun 31, auba 30 also have the advantage of having the age on their side compared to a 22 year old Tammy. 

Which free headers? Care to give a vid of those. My definition of free headers must be different since I saw him getting just ahead of defenders and infact making space for himself by really good runs.

care to give me videos of the headers being contested then.

he had massive height advantage about all ajax players, when he jumps for a ball that those cant reach and they do not engage him, it is a free header.  You can not possibly deny that he is absolutely wank at heading. 

For a tall striker being shit at heading like Peter Crouch can be your undoing. When you are this lanky your advantage in reach will be somewhat neutralized by taking longer to sort your feet out (unless you are a rare talent like Ibra). Today was an example of this. When you then also suck at heading you basically have no height advantage. Today Tammy's lack of coordination and heading ability cost us.

[1905didierblue 748]

Just now, Magic Lamps said:

care to give me videos of the headers being contested then.

he had massive height advantage about all ajax players, when he jumps for a ball that those cant reach and they do not engage him, it is a free header.  You can not possibly deny that he is absolutely wank at heading. 

For a tall striker being shit at heading like Peter Crouch can be your undoing. When you are this lanky your advantage in reach will be somewhat neutralized by taking longer to sort your feet out (unless you are a rare talent like Ibra). Today was an example of this. When you then also suck at heading you basically have no height advantage. Today Tammy's lack of coordination and heading ability cost us.

Why should I give vids? I am not the one making exaggerated and OTT comments.

He had a poor game, but no doubt a lot of strikers have them. 

Saying that he is "not good enough" has got to be the stupidest thing I have heard, given how many goals he has scored. 

Also, just because he has height advantage does not mean all of his headers should be counted as free. Out of the top of my head I remember 3 of his headers in the 2nd half. The just one, the cross was behind him, he had to come back, could not generate enougb power. The 2nd one, low and ahead of the goal, got ahead of the defender but could not guide the ball on the angle. The 3rd one similar too.

Just because he is tall and lanky, does not mean, does not mean he is of the crouch mode. We have already seen how good he is with his feet. If not please refer to his goal and assist against Watford on Saturday.

True. Tammy cost us. Conceding 4 goals did not, alonso did not, to a certain extent kepa and azpi did not, but Tammy and his "free headers" did. God!!!!

And even if he actually had costed us today, he shown to be "good enough" on various other occasions and put in various other performances to nullify it. He is 22, it's was always going to be a learning curve. But to say that a player who has scored 9 goals in 11 PL games is "not good enough" is just ridiculous. 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

56 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

And this is based on what exactly? Him being the PL top scorer? Or one average showing in CL. Want to look at the club legend DD's performance against Barca in 08/09 semis and how many clear cut chances he missed. 

What Tammy "missed" today were 50-50 Chances. He was a nuisance to the ajax CBs who by the way both were red carded. 

Dont use emotion, Tammy misses too many chances compared to ones he scores. Imagine Diego Costa in this system for example. He would score 50 goals. Tammy is treading the Morata line, only difference being he doesnt sulk and dive around.  

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Vybz Kartel said:

Dont use emotion, Tammy misses too many chances compared to ones he scores. Imagine Diego Costa in this system for example. He would score 50 goals. Tammy is treading the Morata line, only difference being he doesnt sulk and dive around.  

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

Dont use emotion, Tammy misses too many chances compared to ones he scores. Imagine Diego Costa in this system for example. He would score 50 goals. Tammy is treading the Morata line, only difference being he doesnt sulk and dive around.  

Costa wasn't as clinical as made out bar isolated spells.

Under Hiddink especially he was often missing very good chances.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

21 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Why should I give vids? I am not the one making exaggerated and OTT comments.

He had a poor game, but no doubt a lot of strikers have them. 

Saying that he is "not good enough" has got to be the stupidest thing I have heard, given how many goals he has scored. 

Also, just because he has height advantage does not mean all of his headers should be counted as free. Out of the top of my head I remember 3 of his headers in the 2nd half. The just one, the cross was behind him, he had to come back, could not generate enougb power. The 2nd one, low and ahead of the goal, got ahead of the defender but could not guide the ball on the angle. The 3rd one similar too.

Just because he is tall and lanky, does not mean, does not mean he is of the crouch mode. We have already seen how good he is with his feet. If not please refer to his goal and assist against Watford on Saturday.

True. Tammy cost us. Conceding 4 goals did not, alonso did not, to a certain extent kepa and azpi did not, but Tammy and his "free headers" did. God!!!!

And even if he actually had costed us today, he shown to be "good enough" on various other occasions and put in various other performances to nullify it. He is 22, it's was always going to be a learning curve. But to say that a player who has scored 9 goals in 11 PL games is "not good enough" is just ridiculous. 

Yes, that is exactly who you are. 

I did not say he is not good enough because of today. But he was poor adn yes he cost us. With an own goal that showcased his poor coordination as well as a plethora of missed chances. 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

He will improve no doubt, but his misses are becoming more and more costly. In all the big games we have lost/drawn this season he has wasted very good chances to either help us take the lead or get back into the game. I would like to see his goals to chances conversion rate. 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Costa wasn't as clinical as made out bar isolated spells.

Under Hiddink especially he was often missing very good chances.

My point still stands, he misses too many easy chances, its one thing scoring against the brightons of the world, but top class 9s do it all round,  when we need it most. He is arguably the opposite of Drogba at the moment. Didier had a good scoring record in big games when we needed him most but mediocre against smaller sides when he didnt really care. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

4 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

He will improve no doubt, but his misses are becoming more and more costly. In all the big games we have lost/drawn this season he has wasted very good chances to either help us take the lead or get back into the game. I would like to see his goals to chances conversion rate. 

 

Just now, Vybz Kartel said:

My point still stands, he misses too many easy chances, its one thing scoring against the brightons of the world, but top class 9s do it all round,  when we need it most. He is arguably the opposite of Drogba at the moment. Didier had a good scoring record in big games when we needed him most but mediocre against smaller sides when he didnt really care. 

Yup, he has the lukaku/aubameyang disease. The bigger the occasion, the more pressure the more likely he is to miss. This does not make him a bad striker. but the absolute great ones like Agüero, Ronaldo, Eto'o actually have a better conversion rate in big fixtures because they are able to raise the intensity even more. As I said in the beginning. the number of goals will not be a concern for Tammy in the end. But is he the striker to win us big titles?

[Stats 7,142]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

That's why we need a top striker. 

Tammy can be good for back up. 

LOL. He missed chances but was actually key in us getting back into game. Was the reason Blind got a second yellow. Assisted Azpi and while I agree, his finishing could have been better, he caused problems.

Where were you when he assisted and scored on Saturday? 

[Fernando 6,585]

44 minutes ago, Stats said:

LOL. He missed chances but was actually key in us getting back into game. Was the reason Blind got a second yellow. Assisted Azpi and while I agree, his finishing could have been better, he caused problems.

Where were you when he assisted and scored on Saturday? 

Even before I been saying we need a top striker. 

It's not after one game, I'm not convinced overall that he is the striker to be leading in the next few years. 

Once we get a top striker, Tammy will be good as a secondary striker. 

[Stats 7,142]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Even before I been saying we need a top striker. 

It's not after one game, I'm not convinced overall that he is the striker to be leading in the next few years. 

Once we get a top striker, Tammy will be good as a secondary striker. 

Of course he is not going to be consistent every game. He has just turned 22. We all know we are in a transition phase and I like the route we are going. With Lamps in charge, he will only be dropped if his form tails off dramatically. I don't see why you think in a few years he won't be good enough to lead. He is already up there at top of scoring charts at his young age. He is improving and has a lot to his game. Patience Fernando, patience.

[Nicco 927]

If Giroud started today we would've won 6-4 or so. Tammy isn't and will never be good enough to lead the line, another striker is surely coming in the summer.

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

one of those days i guess, needs to be more composed in front of goal, on another day he would have scored a brace or even a hattrick.

[1905didierblue 748]

5 hours ago, Vybz Kartel said:

Dont use emotion, Tammy misses too many chances compared to ones he scores. Imagine Diego Costa in this system for example. He would score 50 goals. Tammy is treading the Morata line, only difference being he doesnt sulk and dive around.  

Hahahahahha. Sure.

[1905didierblue 748]

5 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Yes, that is exactly who you are. 

I did not say he is not good enough because of today. But he was poor adn yes he cost us. With an own goal that showcased his poor coordination as well as a plethora of missed chances. 

😂😂😂😂

Sure. Sure.