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[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2016/4/27/11517700/chelsea-fc-academy-kyle-scott-transfer-request-report
Didn't know where to post. It's all crumbling down quite fast it seems.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

3 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2016/4/27/11517700/chelsea-fc-academy-kyle-scott-transfer-request-report
Didn't know where to post. It's all crumbling down quite fast it seems.

Kyle isn't going to make it at Chelsea anyway so a move is a good idea for him.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

5 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Kyle isn't going to make it at Chelsea anyway so a move is a good idea for him.

It's not so much if the one, individual player will make it. Odds are, just as you say, that he will not make it, simply because he lacks quality to be in the team.And that's fine.
What is worrying, at least from what is transpiring from these latest news, is that in the span of a week, a number of our young players either demanded extravagant wages, handed transfer requests or moved on to other clubs. Doesn't sound too rosy.

[Tomo 21,751]

22 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

Without a doubt I would say Bruma, Kakuta and Josh. How can you say that we would be relegated if we had these 3. We destroyed their careers. Kakuta was one of the best talents in the world and we kept loaning him out to one club or another. Obviously the kid was going to get screwed. We have no clue about youth development. Just look at the way we dealt with Bruma. His performance for us was horrendous that day and I admit it. But by god, thats what youth players do. Look at bellerin's performance against stoke when they conceded 4 or more goals last season (or maybe this one). Did Wenger drop bellerin? NO. He trusted the guy and look at him now. One of the best right backs in the league. Youth need trust and time. We give nothing to them.

Our handling of Josh was another masterpiece. Here is a 17 year old kid who has the touch of world class player as well the vision. What do we do? We make him a millionaire and start the merry go round. Even after his swansea disaster, we should have kept him, made him understand the importance of improving and training rather than partying with that Girl friend of his. We should have let the likes of JT, DD, Cech mentor him. 

These were really good talents and we have wasted each of them. To say that they would have panned out similarly is downright Naive and silly. It does take one to be a rocket scientist to understand why we cant produce one, single youth product while the likes of ATM, Barca, Bayern, arsenal so many good ones.

as for bertrand. Was he a youth player? Bought from gillinham at the age of 16, then loaned to bournemoth, oldham, norwich, reading, Forest before breaking into the first team squad in 2011. Well, you can call him a "youth player", I dont think his development and success had anything to do with our academy. JT might have been bought from WHU at 15, but he broke through the youth ranks. I am not sure if i am able to explain my point of view perfectly. But by youth i mean who has been trained at the club for some year atleast and we help that player in his development, just like we did with JT. Or barcelona has for the likes of bartra, sandro ramirez, busquets, Iniesta, sergie roberto, rafinha alcantara, el haddidi and messi. And thats the reason why they are the best team in the world.

So we ruined their careers because we sent them out on loan? Most young players go out on loan first these days at most top clubs, most of the players Fergie promoted in his late years went through the loan system first, Welbeck, Cleverly main examples.

To blame the club for Bruma, Kakuta and Josh is ridiculous, is it also the clubs fault that Conor Clifford is a Boreham Wood squad player instead of our captain right now? (I thought he had that potential, which has to go down as my worst error of judgement in history). 

Bruma had two chances on loan, and to put it nicely he was rubbish both times, first to Leicester (and the nicest thing I heard said about him by a Leicester fan is that he made Ben Mee look like John Terry) then to Hamburg on a two year loan, yes a similar two year loan that Christensen has used to play his way into Contes plans (by all accounts).

Gael just didn't have enough substance to his game, yes he was flashy and skillful but that was about it, compare him to the likes of De Bruyne (the one time we did geuinenly screw up) and Musonda and its night and day.

Josh well, the best game I can use to describe Josh is the FA Cup semi final he played for Wigan vs Arsenal, on the ball he looked ok, but off it he was horrendous, had no positional sense or tactical awareness and left James McArthur to do the job off two men, you often moan about how weak off the ball Cesc is, you would have gone blue if Josh became a regular, and before you say it I'm not just basing my judgement on a display vs Arsenal, I saw many of his various games out on loan and met the same conclusion every time.

Do I think the club could have done better? Yes, but ultimately if those three were top players they would have found a way, could you imagine a young Courtois or De Bruyne failing on loan at Bolton, Fulham, Leicester and Swansea? No I can't, because it simply wouldn't have happened.

Also with Bertrand, he joined the club at 15 which makes him an academy product in my book, it's a shame Mou never rotated defence because I like him as a squad player.

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7 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2016/4/27/11517700/chelsea-fc-academy-kyle-scott-transfer-request-report
Didn't know where to post. It's all crumbling down quite fast it seems.

This article is funny, it alludes to the fact players, like Solanke, are unhappy about how much they're getting paid. This coming from reports RLC earns £60k, but iirc Sturridge was being paid the same when he was transferred from City's academy. 

If they're chasing a better payday then they're welcome to leave. Our academy's success in their competition level speaks for itself on nights like tonight.

[chelseafan26 293]

5 hours ago, Tomo said:

So we ruined their careers because we sent them out on loan? Most young players go out on loan first these days at most top clubs, most of the players Fergie promoted in his late years went through the loan system first, Welbeck, Cleverly main examples.

To blame the club for Bruma, Kakuta and Josh is ridiculous, is it also the clubs fault that Conor Clifford is a Boreham Wood squad player instead of our captain right now? (I thought he had that potential, which has to go down as my worst error of judgement in history). 

Bruma had two chances on loan, and to put it nicely he was rubbish both times, first to Leicester (and the nicest thing I heard said about him by a Leicester fan is that he made Ben Mee look like John Terry) then to Hamburg on a two year loan, yes a similar two year loan that Christensen has used to play his way into Contes plans (by all accounts).

Gael just didn't have enough substance to his game, yes he was flashy and skillful but that was about it, compare him to the likes of De Bruyne (the one time we did geuinenly screw up) and Musonda and its night and day.

Josh well, the best game I can use to describe Josh is the FA Cup semi final he played for Wigan vs Arsenal, on the ball he looked ok, but off it he was horrendous, had no positional sense or tactical awareness and left James McArthur to do the job off two men, you often moan about how weak off the ball Cesc is, you would have gone blue if Josh became a regular, and before you say it I'm not just basing my judgement on a display vs Arsenal, I saw many of his various games out on loan and met the same conclusion every time.

Do I think the club could have done better? Yes, but ultimately if those three were top players they would have found a way, could you imagine a young Courtois or De Bruyne failing on loan at Bolton, Fulham, Leicester and Swansea? No I can't, because it simply wouldn't have happened.

Also with Bertrand, he joined the club at 15 which makes him an academy product in my book, it's a shame Mou never rotated defence because I like him as a squad player.

First of all, Cesc is a 28 year old MAN. Josh was a 17 year old BOY. How many 17 year olds are there in the world who have a 6 foot frame and lukaku's body strenght. YOU HAVE TO BUILD THOSE ASPECTS of their play. You have to mould them physically, mentally, emotionally. You have to give them experience. How many loans did segi roberto have? How many loan spells did Thomas Muller have. Loaning a kid for gametime is one thing when you think he is ready for first team action at some club and he needs to evolve his game which will come only with regular gametime. 

Blindly loaning 17/18 year olds like Josh, when their character and physicality needs more moulding than his gameplay is exactly the reason why we have lost So many talents. Kakuta was the same as JOSH. What he needed was mentoring. NOT to be loaned out to some arbit shit team where they do not care about him. A parent club is supposed to do the best for the kids. We have made a bloody flesh market of these kids. 

Again Courtois and Kdb. How can you compare multi million signings of already first teamers in their previous clubs to the YOUTH players. Mate, their is a massive difference between "YOUNG" players and "YOUTH" players. If i remember correctly, I have already gone through that once. You can go back to it and see my definition of it. comparing the likes of Thibaut and kDB to Josh and Kakuta is as naive as the club's idiotic policy of loaning them left right and center. 

I dont know how else to explain. We have screwed their careers. If you cant see the talents of Gael Kakuta then I honestly cant help you. Are you saying that the club almost got a ban for a player who they thought was average? Sorry mate, I find that hard to believe. We can agree to disagree here. But well, the results are there for everyone to see. 

NOT A SINGLE PLAYER THROUGH THE YOUTH RANKS (that should take out any ambiguity about Bertrand), since JT. The only youth player is looking like actually making it here is RLC. and guess what he has not been on loan. And by god, I hope it stays as that, otherwise this is another MASSIVE TALENT that we would be screwed. 

[Tomo 21,751]

6 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

First of all, Cesc is a 28 year old MAN. Josh was a 17 year old BOY. How many 17 year olds are there in the world who have a 6 foot frame and lukaku's body strenght. YOU HAVE TO BUILD THOSE ASPECTS of their play. You have to mould them physically, mentally, emotionally. You have to give them experience. How many loans did segi roberto have? How many loan spells did Thomas Muller have. Loaning a kid for gametime is one thing when you think he is ready for first team action at some club and he needs to evolve his game which will come only with regular gametime. 

Blindly loaning 17/18 year olds like Josh, when their character and physicality needs more moulding than his gameplay is exactly the reason why we have lost So many talents. Kakuta was the same as JOSH. What he needed was mentoring. NOT to be loaned out to some arbit shit team where they do not care about him. A parent club is supposed to do the best for the kids. We have made a bloody flesh market of these kids. 

Again Courtois and Kdb. How can you compare multi million signings of already first teamers in their previous clubs to the YOUTH players. Mate, their is a massive difference between "YOUNG" players and "YOUTH" players. If i remember correctly, I have already gone through that once. You can go back to it and see my definition of it. comparing the likes of Thibaut and kDB to Josh and Kakuta is as naive as the club's idiotic policy of loaning them left right and center. 

I dont know how else to explain. We have screwed their careers. If you cant see the talents of Gael Kakuta then I honestly cant help you. Are you saying that the club almost got a ban for a player who they thought was average? Sorry mate, I find that hard to believe. We can agree to disagree here. But well, the results are there for everyone to see. 

NOT A SINGLE PLAYER THROUGH THE YOUTH RANKS (that should take out any ambiguity about Bertrand), since JT. The only youth player is looking like actually making it here is RLC. and guess what he has not been on loan. And by god, I hope it stays as that, otherwise this is another MASSIVE TALENT that we would be screwed. 

Ok you're right, it's all the clubs fault, poor Conor Clifford , if only we treated him right he would be as good as prime Gerrard right now instead of at Boreham Woods bench

Do you know what the funny thing is? I actually agree in terms of natural talent, but natural talent is only 1% of the equation of making it as a footballer, I know two lads who on talent alone are good enough for League one football atleast (both got trials for Plymouth and one of them even played for.them a few times), do you know what happened to them? One is currently stacking shelfs at Tesco and last I saw of the other he was delivering Dominos.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

6 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

First of all, Cesc is a 28 year old MAN. Josh was a 17 year old BOY. How many 17 year olds are there in the world who have a 6 foot frame and lukaku's body strenght. YOU HAVE TO BUILD THOSE ASPECTS of their play. You have to mould them physically, mentally, emotionally. You have to give them experience. How many loans did segi roberto have? How many loan spells did Thomas Muller have. Loaning a kid for gametime is one thing when you think he is ready for first team action at some club and he needs to evolve his game which will come only with regular gametime. 

Blindly loaning 17/18 year olds like Josh, when their character and physicality needs more moulding than his gameplay is exactly the reason why we have lost So many talents. Kakuta was the same as JOSH. What he needed was mentoring. NOT to be loaned out to some arbit shit team where they do not care about him. A parent club is supposed to do the best for the kids. We have made a bloody flesh market of these kids. 

Again Courtois and Kdb. How can you compare multi million signings of already first teamers in their previous clubs to the YOUTH players. Mate, their is a massive difference between "YOUNG" players and "YOUTH" players. If i remember correctly, I have already gone through that once. You can go back to it and see my definition of it. comparing the likes of Thibaut and kDB to Josh and Kakuta is as naive as the club's idiotic policy of loaning them left right and center. 

I dont know how else to explain. We have screwed their careers. If you cant see the talents of Gael Kakuta then I honestly cant help you. Are you saying that the club almost got a ban for a player who they thought was average? Sorry mate, I find that hard to believe. We can agree to disagree here. But well, the results are there for everyone to see. 

NOT A SINGLE PLAYER THROUGH THE YOUTH RANKS (that should take out any ambiguity about Bertrand), since JT. The only youth player is looking like actually making it here is RLC. and guess what he has not been on loan. And by god, I hope it stays as that, otherwise this is another MASSIVE TALENT that we would be screwed. 

I don't believe in any of this.. If Kakuta or McEachren were talented enough they would be great players now. Talent finds his way. Kakuta played like 20 matches at Chelsea but he was obviously not good enough, then he got several chances at several clubs. Bolton, Fulham, Lazio, Vitesse were all disappointing spells, also there were problems with his attitude. He was quite ok at Dijon and Rayo, but he was/is nowhere near to make it here.

 

Same with McEachren.. He had some good games here, but if he was that good he could show his talent on loan. 

 

Yeah, Bayern have Thomas Müller and Lahm, but that's it.. Müller was promoted like 7-8 years ago, so it's not like they were using their youth product that much, even though they win Bundesliga in like every february.

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30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Ok you're right, it's all the clubs fault, poor Conor Clifford , if only we treated him right he would be as good as prime Gerrard right now instead of at Boreham Woods bench

Do you know what the funny thing is? I actually agree in terms of natural talent, but natural talent is only 1% of the equation of making it as a footballer, I know two lads who on talent alone are good enough for League one football atleast (both got trials for Plymouth and one of them even played for.them a few times), do you know what happened to them? One is currently stacking shelfs at Tesco and last I saw of the other he was delivering Dominos.

Conor clifford is the same talent as Josh or kakuta or RLC or Colkett or musonda or boga. Fine mate. There is only so much logical arguments one can give.

What i find weird is that, we have dominated Fa youth cup for 6 or 5 years now. We have dominated Youth league for 4 years now (3 years in uefa youth league and 1 year in that weird youth competition which got scrapped, i think we lost to villa in the final and ake played in the mid). But yet, we are the worst team in the numbers for youth players. Yes, you are definitely right. Its the players' fault. They are hopeless.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

30 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Ok you're right, it's all the clubs fault, poor Conor Clifford , if only we treated him right he would be as good as prime Gerrard right now instead of at Boreham Woods bench

 

 

Hahaha

 You know that Billy and Connor Clifford both plays there? #bringourboysback

[Tomo 21,751]

1 minute ago, chelseafan26 said:

Conor clifford is the same talent as Josh or kakuta or RLC or Colkett or musonda or boga. Fine mate. There is only so much logical arguments one can give.

What i find weird is that, we have dominated Fa youth cup for 6 or 5 years now. We have dominated Youth league for 4 years now (3 years in uefa youth league and 1 year in that weird youth competition which got scrapped, i think we lost to villa in the final and ake played in the mid). But yet, we are the worst team in the numbers for youth players. Yes, you are definitely right. Its the players' fault. They are hopeless.

Well a lot of people had him down as next captain.

[chelseafan26 293]

7 minutes ago, nyikolajevics said:

I don't believe in any of this.. If Kakuta or McEachren were talented enough they would be great players now. Talent finds his way. Kakuta played like 20 matches at Chelsea but he was obviously not good enough, then he got several chances at several clubs. Bolton, Fulham, Lazio, Vitesse were all disappointing spells, also there were problems with his attitude. He was quite ok at Dijon and Rayo, but he was/is nowhere near to make it here.

 

Same with McEachren.. He had some good games here, but if he was that good he could show his talent on loan. 

 

Yeah, Bayern have Thomas Müller and Lahm, but that's it.. Müller was promoted like 7-8 years ago, so it's not like they were using their youth product that much, even though they win Bundesliga in like every february.

First of all, Bayern had muller, kroos, alaba, badstubber. Kroos has moved on now, but they had their BUNCH of youth players to come through. 

are you seriously telling me that Hatim ben arfa is not talented? He lacks one thing attitude. and This is where I think youth players can be evolved. Like you said, Kakuta needed a change in attitude. His attitude was the main problem. Same goes with Josh. And thats where they failed themselves, as well as we failed them. as the parent club, it should have been our responsibiluty to nurture them. We did not.

[mccg 1,528]

Good news 4year contract...its been emotional.

[the wes 7,212]

5 minutes ago, mccg said:

Good news 4year contract...its been emotional.

Maybe we will loan him out to get experience 

[mccg 1,528]

15 minutes ago, the wes said:

Maybe we will loan him out to get experience 

Maybe we will loan Ivan out and he can learn how to defend properly lol, Mmm think your right m8 he will given a loan assignment,unless he gets the chance 2 impresses Conte hugely pre-season?!