The Mourinho Thread

[The only place to be 11,313]

The only interesting line in your post.

Nothing in football is guaranteed yes, but certainly José bring to his clubs more guaranties of success than any other manager now, so, I'll tell to shut up and show more respect.Lampard isnt good at the double pivot, who said that José will play him ? Who knows what tactic he'll use, and who knows how he'll manage Lampard, in fact, there are more chances of him coming than Lampard staying.Wait & See.

This is my fucking point. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

We don't know what will happen, there are no guarantees. He'll need time and we should afford him that because it would be unfair to judge him too soon.

But it would be utterly moronic to pre-judge him. There are plenty of question marks over this whole appointment and to pretend like there aren't is ridiculous. Anyone not approaching this with cautious optimism needs to give themselves a slap.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

who cares if he comes or not seriously. if he comes it's good if not it's not the end of the world

Thank you sir for your highly appreciated comment, but we care about our club and I personally love to discuss and share views, you, sir, you are useless in this forum, you are the perfect example of the troll, are you drunk ? Can you just use your mind for one second and say something good.

[juko 19]

i mean if it's not him then it will be another one lol who cares

Thank you sir for your highly appreciated comment, but we care about our club and I personally love to discuss and share views, you, sir, you are useless in this forum, you are the perfect example of the troll, are you drunk ? Can you just use your mind for one second and say something good.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Your still making the assumption though that Jose would be playing them all game in game out which is just a guess as anything. There is still a space for them in the team. It may not be as prominent as once was, but it doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation.

But the problem is that this is the first time (if he is appointed) he would have gone back to an old club, and going back to an old club who still have a good few number of players whose increadibly big egos (that many argue make it near impossible for other managers to have control in the dressing room unless they take a very lax approach) which were made by him still their. This seems to be a recipe for the direction of the club being nothing more then a lovefest between Mourinho and these players, with this desire to re live the old days being used, which will just a failure.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

This is my fucking point. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

We don't know what will happen, there are no guarantees. He'll need time and we should afford him that because it would be unfair to judge him too soon.

But it would be utterly moronic to pre-judge him. There are plenty of question marks over this whole appointment and to pretend like there aren't is ridiculous. Anyone not approaching this with cautious optimism needs to give themselves a slap.

Basically, you're telling me "you're too naive to think that José will comeback again, win and have no problems with his players and Roman" but I judge him because of his results, relation with players and owners, and for me, yeah, he will perfectly succeed when he'll come back, I dont care about problems off the field, I'm purely talking about the future result of the club.I dont want to discuss aabout question mark over his whole appointment, it will take days to "have an idea about this and that", we shouldn't ask ourselves too much questions because at the end of the day it will be Roman who'll decide, not us.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

The only interesting line in your post.

Nothing in football is guaranteed yes, but certainly José bring to his clubs more guaranties of success than any other manager now, so, I'll tell to shut up and show more respect.Lampard isnt good at the double pivot, who said that José will play him ? Who knows what tactic he'll use, and who knows how he'll manage Lampard, in fact, there are more chances of him coming than Lampard staying.Wait & See.

You're right, Lampard is at times useless, but now I understand your point of view, you fear that Lampard could stay & be reshaped & reused by José, I understand that perfectly but as I said, Lampard isnt a problem, he is not our main problem this season, he saved our ass many times and that also counts.We shouldnt focus on him, he wont play next year the big roles because he understand his position and his level, but he certainly isnt a problem, he has big influence, in the good way.

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Yes, in my opinion Lampard should leave the club. And the problem is what you say is his big influence at the club which is the problem. Past experiences hae shown that if Lampard is not in a managers long term plans he kicks ups a fuss and creates a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room, meaning that managers effectively have to try and get them on his side in order to get some working relationship with the drssing room. For someone who should only be used vin a very limited way, that kind of influence is simply toxic for the club. We won't progressive until he leaves and wqhoever comes in as the next manager can shape the team in their own way and not worry about having to accomodate him to make him happy - since he has said in recent interviews (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9862831/Chelseas-Frank-Lampard-has-put-his-recent-form-down-to-playing-regular-football.html and contrary to what he says, he scores goals when playing regularly, useless at actually being a midfielder) that he does not see himself as a squad player - I'm sorry he has got to go.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Basically, you're telling me "you're too naive to think that José will comeback again, win and have no problems with his players and Roman"

No, I'm not. But please continue.

but I judge him because of his results, relation with players and owners, and for me, yeah, he will perfectly succeed when he'll come back,

That is unknowable and presumptuous.

I dont care about problems off the field,

But you just said that you judge him on his relationship with owners. See, it's literally 6 centimetres above this sentence.

I'm purely talking about the future result of the club.I dont want to discuss aabout question mark over his whole appointment,

Evidently.

it will take days to "have an idea about this and that", we shouldn't ask ourselves too much questions because at the end of the day it will be Roman who'll decide, not us.

Then why are you even discussing this? :banghead: :banghead:

[Hutcho 8,443]

But the problem is that this is the first time (if he is appointed) he would have gone back to an old club, and going back to an old club who still have a good few number of players whose increadibly big egos (that many argue make it near impossible for other managers to have control in the dressing room unless they take a very lax approach) which were made by him still their. This seems to be a recipe for the direction of the club being nothing more then a lovefest between Mourinho and these players, with this desire to re live the old days being used, which will just a failure.

Who out there is better than mourinho? Its hardly going backwards, as the team has largely changed. I think some people are looking at it in too much depth. We need a great manager and he for sure is a great manager.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Who out there is better than mourinho? Its hardly going backwards, as the team has largely changed. I think some people are looking at it in too much depth. We need a great manager and he for sure is a great manager.

The question isn't who is better, but who is better for us. We're building a team based on a sustainable, long-term plan - let's not kid ourselves into thinking we're asking him to do the same job he did almost a decade ago.

[English Freak 456]

Who out there is better than mourinho? Its hardly going backwards, as the team has largely changed. I think some people are looking at it in too much depth. We need a great manager and he for sure is a great manager.

I think the only other options for Chelsea would be Hiddink or Capello..IF Mourinho doesn't come.

There are other managers like Martinez, Laudrup..but I don't think they would get enough time to do well at Chelsea...

[Heisenberg 1,824]

No, I'm not. But please continue.

That is unknowable and presumptuous.

But you just said that you judge him on his relationship with owners. See, it's literally 6 centimetres above this sentence.

Evidently.

Then why are you even discussing this? :banghead: :banghead:

Before I go to sleep, because I must wake up very early tommorrow, I'll tell you what I deeply think about this.

I dont want to talk about the whole appointment I dont want to talk about his future contract, how much power he'll have, what players he'll use, what tactics he'll try, and all that type of thing.I think, because of his results with other clubs, and his good relationship with his owners, his good relationship with his players, his good relationship with Roman, some old players, and fans, he must be our coach next season.Is he a risk ? No, when you appoint Mourinho as a coach, its not risky, can he fails ? No, he cant, he never failed in his career, why it should be with a very yound & good team ? I said that I dont judge him with his relationship with the owner because its never had an effect on the perfect result he had with the team.If you want to talk about the everything of his appointment, i'm not the right person to discuss with.

[English Freak 456]

The question isn't who is better, but who is better for us. We're building a team based on a sustainable, long-term plan - let's not kid ourselves into thinking we're asking him to do the same job he did almost a decade ago.

Who would you reckon is best suited for the Chelsea job?

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

Who out there is better than mourinho? Its hardly going backwards, as the team has largely changed. I think some people are looking at it in too much depth. We need a great manager and he for sure is a great manager.

The problem is he is only going to be here for at most 3-4 years at a maximun before leaving either through arguments with the board and/or players. Looking at his tenure in Real Madrid its not certain he is going to be a huge success with us like last time (he has to win the CL this season with Madrid otherwise Madrid fans will considere his reign a massive disappointment) but it does seem that he always leaves with a dressing room with over powered egos and a atmosphere that is prone to be volatile atmosphere for future managers.

Klopp would be my dream manager, seems to have the right approach for a club to be sustainable in long term (even if he does not stay there for 5+ years) measurements, but since he is someone who is unikely to agree to join us then someone like Pellegrini. Who bases his tactics on the best players less on trying to create big egos to drive the team.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

The question isn't who is better, but who is better for us. We're building a team based on a sustainable, long-term plan - let's not kid ourselves into thinking we're asking him to do the same job he did almost a decade ago.

Who is better for us ? The man in my profile picture is the right person for us, but he is not available, so, lets see other good managers capable to build something.....my radars says no good manager is available, there is only one manager, who managed Chelsea years ago, and he is now the manager of Real Madrid, who can come here, build a team capable of winning titles, because its a young team, not like Inter, and make us play some good football.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

The problem is he is only going to be here for at most 3-4 years at a maximun before leaving either through arguments with the board and/or players. Looking at his tenure in Real Madrid its not certain he is going to be a huge success with us like last time (he has to win the CL this season with Madrid otherwise Madrid fans will considere his reign a massive disappointment) but it does seem that he always leaves with a dressing room with over powered egos and a atmosphere that is prone to be volatile atmosphere for future managers.

Klopp would be my dream manager, seems to have the right approach for a club to be sustainable in long term (even if he does not stay there for 5+ years) measurements, but since he is someone who is unikely to agree to join us then someone like Pellegrini. Who bases his tactics on the best players less on trying to create big egos to drive the team.

Good post.

Pellegrini won nothing, nothing, I dont even think his CV could reach Roman's desk He miserably failed at Madrid, but he is certainly a good option if Mourinho goes to another club.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Who would you reckon is best suited for the Chelsea job?

It would've probably have been Pep. Jose is already our second-choice if we're being honest about things.

We're constrained by a number of issues, some our own making. The propensity to sack managers means they either need to have gravitas (like Jose or Klopp) or hit the ground running. I was never that keen on Moyes because I don't know what his football philosophy is after watching his teams for almost a decade. In that regard I liked Laudrup. He's at the right point in his career, he's continued the good work in Swansea and he handles himself well.

But then there's the issue of the Chelsea players respecting him - and when we say that we're essentially talking about two characters.

Jose coming home could be great for the club, but he's going to be asked to do a job I don't think he's done before. There's almost as much risk with his appointment as there is with any other manager we've been linked with. The potential for success is there, but the potential for a major catastrophe is also there.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

It would've probably have been Pep. Jose is already our second-choice if we're being honest about things.

We're constrained by a number of issues, some our own making. The propensity to sack managers means they either need to have gravitas (like Jose or Klopp) or hit the ground running. I was never that keen on Moyes because I don't know what his football philosophy is after watching his teams for almost a decade. In that regard I liked Laudrup. He's at the right point in his career, he's continued the good work in Swansea and he handles himself well.

But then there's the issue of the Chelsea players respecting him - and when we say that we're essentially talking about two characters.

Jose coming home could be great for the club, but he's going to be asked to do a job I don't think he's done before. There's almost as much risk with his appointment as there is with any other manager we've been linked with. The potential for success is there, but the potential for a major catastrophe is also there.

Could you give us the "two" scenarios ? I would love to know the bad one, because the team is good, Rafa Benitez who isnt as good as José, lets be honest, is doing good with the team and could've done better.I dont want to be arrogant but i'm far more optimistic than you in case of José's appointment. He may face troubles with his former players, or the new players, but he could certainly handle with difficult situation better than everyone because he'll have the full respect of the squad since day one, something other managers wont have, he also have fans backing, and certainly Roman's help, he'll also have a better squad than this.

[Hutcho 8,443]

The question isn't who is better, but who is better for us. We're building a team based on a sustainable, long-term plan - let's not kid ourselves into thinking we're asking him to do the same job he did almost a decade ago.

Ok then... Who is better for us?

The answer is the same... You can phrase it how you want. And every team is has a "long term" plan. We are not the only ones who have thought that it would be good to create a team for the future. And its not like mourinho he can't work with youngsters.