Eva Carneiro Leaves Chelsea

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Just now, Jason said:

The club backing him or not, that's not the point. The point is we are in this situation because of the mess Mourinho created to begin with.

how do you know he solely created it?

From whats come out so far, there has been confusion on what words were said and to whom, there was incidents before the league match such as the Florentina match......but at the end if the day she was offered her job back and it seems she was quite willing but on her increased financial and job spec terms. That meant she was willing to work with Mourinho again.

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3 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said:

how do you know he solely created it?

Would this even be going on right now if he hadn't had the outburst in the Swansea game last August?

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We're in this situation simply because Dr. Carneiro wants to be a diva.
How many times all of us whisper or say out loud "son of a bitch." without having a specific target? Should the circumstances which had developed in the dying minutes of that match sue Mourinho? 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Would this even be going on right now if he hadn't had the outburst in the Swansea game last August?

quite possibly yes....as there had been problems before this.

Would she have put in the same wage demands increasing her £285k a year to £400k plus extras if there had been no upset.

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Just now, Rhino's Skin said:

quite possibly yes....as there had been problems before this.

Would she have put in the same wage demands increasing her £285k a year to £400k plus extras if there had been no upset.

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Wonder if there would be such commotion had he called a man, Jon Fearn for example, a "son of a bitch"? Can't believe the main talking point is about a single letter between "filha" or "filho". They even have an "expert of swearing" to analyze that nonsense - is that really a profession or did they pick up a gangsta from the outskirts of Lisbon? I was expecting something more intriguing and deep, now I just want to shout at them "get the fuck over it you oversensitive greedy twats".

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Mary O'Rourke QC, for Carneiro, said: "This is a tale of two employees, one good (Dr Carneiro) and one bad (Mourinho). The bad employee forces the good employee out of the job of her dreams and the employer does nothing to stop it. The bad employee berates, sexually harassed and demoted the good employee for carrying out her professional duties, namely her health and safety duties as the first team doctor, pitchside. Rather than investigating and disciplining the bad employee, the employer allows the bad employee to confirm demotion, both publicly and privately and to continue with his job."
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10305269/eva-carneiros-employment-tribunal-with-jose-mourinho-and-chelsea-set-to-begin

Prison it is, very bad news for Jose.

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This is going to go on for a while

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8 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

We're in this situation simply because Dr. Carneiro wants to be a diva.
How many times all of us whisper or say out loud "son of a bitch." without having a specific target? Should the circumstances which had developed in the dying minutes of that match sue Mourinho? 

Lol sure, has nothing to do with Mourinho venting his frustrations at our medical staff who at the end of the day were just doing their jobs and then afterwards acting like a child by not allowing them to sit on the bench again the next game.

Mourinho brought all of this on himself.

 

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Lol sure buddy, has nothing to do with Mourinho venting his frustrations at our medical staff who at the end of the day were just doing their jobs and then afterwards acting like a child by not allowing them to sit on the bench again the next game.

Mourinho brought all of this on himself.

 

Why is the club then in his corner when it's black and white?! [emoji4]

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7 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Lol sure buddy, has nothing to do with Mourinho venting his frustrations at our medical staff who at the end of the day were just doing their jobs and then afterwards acting like a child by not allowing them to sit on the bench again the next game.

Mourinho brought all of this on himself.

 

Mmmmmmm....actually no. It doesn't.
Fearn is still at Chelsea isn't he? Dr. Carneiro could have still been in there, obviously the club didn't agree on all the money SHE had asked following the "incident"
Did he vent his frustration at the medical staff though? Or to thin air? To the red card in the referee's pocket? To the referee? Why hasn't Fearn sued then? Was Carneiro "sexually harassed"?
Why hasn't the Bayern doctor sued Guardiola then?

The list could go on. It's already late.

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1 minute ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Mmmmmmm....actually no. It doesn't.
Fearn is still at Chelsea isn't he? Dr. Carneiro could have still been in there, obviously the club didn't agree on all the money SHE had asked following the "incident"
Did he vent his frustration at the medical staff though? Or to thin air? To the red card in the referee's pocket? To the referee? Why hasn't Fearn sued then? Was Carneiro "sexually harassed"?
Why hasn't the Bayern doctor sued Guardiola then?

The list could go on. It's already late.

He was clearly venting his frustrations at our medical staff. He went to them and was clearly upset with them. He then called them naive in his post match interview and didn't allow them to sit on the bench the next games.

I don't think Carneiro was "sexually harassed" as i agree that the" son of a bitch" could have been used in a more general insult towards the situation and wasn't specifically meant for Carneiro.

My main problem with this incident was that Fearn and Carneiro both weren't allowed to sit on the bench the next games. I can understand that in the heat of the moment Mourinho's frustrations got the better of him but why punish them afterwards ?

They simply did their jobs. There was no need to punish them for it.

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7 hours ago, Essien19 said:

Why is the club then in his corner when it's black and white?!

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There could be a number of reasons. I'm just speculating here, but Mourinho was appointed as a manager not head coach, so he was more than likely in charge of micro management questions, match day staff falls into that category. He'd just come off a title winning season, he'd proven he knew what he was doing, so the board probably didn't want to pick a bone with him over silly matters and just said something along the lines of  "yeah do whatever you feel necessary, we have other doctors here". Don't think they even cared much at first, it was clearly Mourinho holding a grudge and the club might have just trusted his judgement blindly. It would be foolish to backtrack now when it appeared as if they supported his decision, when in reality they might have just left matters like this completely to his hands. And we have to remember that it is the employer, the club itself, under scrutiny here, they are defending themselves by being in Mourinho's corner.

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8 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Mmmmmmm....actually no. It doesn't.
Fearn is still at Chelsea isn't he? Dr. Carneiro could have still been in there, obviously the club didn't agree on all the money SHE had asked following the "incident"
Did he vent his frustration at the medical staff though? Or to thin air? To the red card in the referee's pocket? To the referee? Why hasn't Fearn sued then? Was Carneiro "sexually harassed"?
Why hasn't the Bayern doctor sued Guardiola then?

The list could go on. It's already late.

Exactly -saying this morning she wanted to go back working but with a 40% pay rise. Its all about the money, money, money....

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9 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

My main problem with this incident was that Fearn and Carneiro both weren't allowed to sit on the bench the next games. I can understand that in the heat of the moment Mourinho's frustrations got the better of him but why punish them afterwards ?

They simply did their jobs. There was no need to punish them for it.

People bring on the table "lip-reading" """experts""" to understand what Mourinho said.
I would bring on the table the quite "bitchy" expression Dr. Carneiro had assumed when walking back towards the bench.
Isn't it at all possible the fact that José didn't embrace having HER sitting on the bench for the time being, acknowledging the lack of professional understanding between him and her? (He can do that, so why shouldn't he when there is no professionalism) As he said, and he is quite right, even the doctors need to have a general understanding of what's going on around them.
And in this case (should this be the case) Dr. Fearn was made the unsuspecting "victim" of this "incident" so as not to have any "sexual" preference amongst the two? Eventually they would have returned to their former role, Carneiro did not want to, not prior to the club's agreement to a substantial a pay-rise.

We don't know what went on behind the scenes, so it's quite childish to blindly point the finger without having the full facts.

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1 hour ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

People bring on the table "lip-reading" """experts""" to understand what Mourinho said.
I would bring on the table the quite "bitchy" expression Dr. Carneiro had assumed when walking back towards the bench.
Isn't it at all possible the fact that José didn't embrace having HER sitting on the bench for the time being, acknowledging the lack of professional understanding between him and her? (He can do that, so why shouldn't he when there is no professionalism) As he said, and he is quite right, even the doctors need to have a general understanding of what's going on around them.
And in this case (should this be the case) Dr. Fearn was made the unsuspecting "victim" of this "incident" so as not to have any "sexual" preference amongst the two? Eventually they would have returned to their former role, Carneiro did not want to, not prior to the club's agreement to a substantial a pay-rise.

We don't know what went on behind the scenes, so it's quite childish to blindly point the finger without having the full facts.

Really ? "bitchy" expression ? That's what you're using as an excuse for punishing her ?   Pretty sure if you were getting yelled at by somebody you wouldn't look happy.

The thing is they did have a general understanding of what was going on. Hazard was face down on the ground after getting kicked in the stomac/groin area. The referee had called the medical staff over twice.

There was no way they could have known what the extent of Hazard's injuries were. It's ridiculous that Mourinho had a go at the medical staff when they were clearly just doing their job.

Of course she wants more money. She and her lawyer know they have a strong case and will easily get more money out of this.

 

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17 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Really ? "bitchy" expression ? That's what you're using as an excuse for punishing her ?   Pretty sure if you were getting yelled at by somebody you wouldn't look happy.

The thing is they did have a general understanding of what was going on. Hazard was face down on the ground after getting kicked in the stomac/groin area. The referee had called the medical staff over twice.

There was no way they could have known what the extent of Hazard's injuries were. It's ridiculous that Mourinho had a go at the medical staff when they were clearly just doing their job.

Of course she wants more money. She and her lawyer know they have a strong case and will easily get more money out of this.

 

Really ? "lip reader" ? That what people are using as an excuse to punish Mourinho ?  So why did Fearn did not protest as much as Dr. Carneiro? We can both play this game.

Did they though? That's highly debatable. Were they though? Again impossible to say without knowing the full extent of everything. But is clearly quite impossible to see reason when there is a bias against someone

It's not a strong case. Any half decent lawyer can and will turn it around any way he wants and come out on top. It all depends from how much bullshit you can utter all while retaining a somewhat serious expression.

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Just now, Blue_Fox_ said:

Really ? "lip reader" ? That what people are using as an excuse to punish Mourinho ?  So why did Fearn did not protest as much as Dr. Carneiro? We can both play this game.

Did they though? That's highly debatable. Were they though? Again impossible to say without knowing the full extent of everything. But is clearly quite impossible to see reason when there is a bias against someone

It's not a strong case. Any half decent lawyer can and will turn it around any way he wants and come out on top. It all depends from how much bullshit you can utter all while retaining a somewhat serious expression.

Already said that i consider the "son of a bitch" to be a general insult about the situation rather then a personal one towards Carneiro.

Yeah sure buddy you're not biased at all.

Really is that why we offered them £1.2 million to settle. Which they rejected by the way. Clearly they have a case otherwise we wouldn't be offering them that kind of money to settle and if they didn't have a case they would have simply accpeted it.

I really don't see any point in continuing this argument.

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38 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Really is that why we offered them £1.2 million to settle. Which they rejected by the way. Clearly they have a case otherwise we wouldn't be offering them that kind of money to settle and if they didn't have a case they would have simply accpeted it.

Didn't rejecting the money concern only Eva? Maybe Fearn was offered too and accepted it, hence the silence from his part. Also, why did Eva reject it if it's only money she's after? Was she so sure that she'd get that huge pay raise and put all the eggs in that basket? Doubt it. Or she thinks she can get more out of this trial if she wins?

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Looks like Chelsea are trying to throw enough money to make this disappear. Stay strong Eva!