Pedro Rodríguez

[kmk108 1,186]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

They don't have a clue, do they?

Pedro left Barcelona because he couldn't get consistent game time in the starting XI. Why would things be any different now if he were to go back there? If he's going to leave, it will be to somewhere he can play week in week out.

The article cited a rule where you can't play for 3 different clubs in a season. I don't remember exactly now, but if that's true, Pedro played in the Super Cup for Barca at the beginning of the season, making Barca his only possible destination if he's loaned out. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, kmk108 said:

The article cited a rule where you can't play for 3 different clubs in a season. I don't remember exactly now, but if that's true, Pedro played in the Super Cup for Barca at the beginning of the season, making Barca his only possible destination if he's loaned out. 

Still doesn't make any sense of him wanting to go back to Barcelona.

[kmk108 1,186]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Still doesn't make any sense of him wanting to go back to Barcelona.

No it doesn't, unless he's got a bit of homesickness or something like that. He's a regular on our team.

 

unless he just wants to be on a winning team.

 

either way, I just saw that Barca have reportedly rejected our offer to send him back. 

[communicate 2,703]

The crazy part is simplicity was his game in barca.  He is basically a wide forward who provide width and penetration. He is one of few winger who prefer to run behind rather than receiving the ball on his feet. 

 

For some reason in our team he played like hazard,  pick up the ball in deep and try to dribble past everybody 

[Beepu 1,714]

I don't want to give up on him yet. I think after fully adapting to the PL and  used properly (getting the ball deep and dribbling 3-4 players up field is not his game), he can still be an important player.

[iseah100 5,612]

Maybe just don't buy players from Barca.

[Spike 12,049]

4 minutes ago, iseah100 said:

Maybe just don't buy players from Barca.

You superstitious side is showing. Have you slaughtered your annual billy goat?

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Pedro is playing slightly below his valuation as a player - pretty much like the rest of the squad.

hes just not that good.

we can't compete with the top teams by acquiring decent/good players like Pedro. 

In the end, perhaps we have to play mourinho style to be able to compete - bc we just don't have the players for that.

[TheIceMan 596]

Useless.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

On 23/01/2016 at 7:53 PM, Robguima said:

Pedro is playing slightly below his valuation as a player - pretty much like the rest of the squad.

hes just not that good.

we can't compete with the top teams by acquiring decent/good players like Pedro. 

In the end, perhaps we have to play mourinho style to be able to compete - bc we just don't have the players for that.

Completely agree, of course that is the situation. It is why Jose played as he did after the fleeting early exuberance of last season had worn off. The genius of a manager is a pragmatist. This collection of footballers can't win playing the fantasy football many here insist on seeing so he set them up in a way which gave them a chance. It's what he does.

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Completely agree, of course that is the situation. It is why Jose played as he did after the fleeting early exuberance of last season had worn off. The genius of a manager is a pragmatist. This collection of footballers can't win playing the fantasy football many here insist on seeing so he set them up in a way which gave them a chance. It's what he does.

But Mourinho shaped "this collection of footballers" the way it is now (played a very big part in it atleast). We had plenty of creative players when Mourinho arrived here. He could have focused on reshaping our defense, to fit a more attacking approach, instead he got rid of most of the creative players, stripped us down to the bare minimum of creative players and picked players that would suit a more pragmatic approach.

Mourinho picked a pragmatic system even though he had options to go a different way. He chose to go that direction, he wasn't forced into it.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

23 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

But Mourinho shaped "this collection of footballers" the way it is now (played a very big part in it atleast). We had plenty of creative players when Mourinho arrived here. He could have focused on reshaping our defense, to fit a more attacking approach, instead he got rid of most of the creative players, stripped us down to the bare minimum of creative players and picked players that would suit a more pragmatic approach.

Mourinho picked a pragmatic system even though he had options to go a different way. He chose to go that direction, he wasn't forced into it.

I agree that this is partly true and have always said that if people want to apportion blame to TSO then this is the area where it may be appropriate to do so.

That said he was not responsible (read to blame) for all of the recruitment. It's guesswork as to which players were signed at his request but I think there are big clues available. He spoke about some signings effusively, describing how he had sold the club to them during the process and giving reasons why he wanted that player. Compare the additions of Matic, Fabregas or Costa for example, with the silence accompanying many of the arrivals. Other people will have other guesses of course.

I disagree with you very strongly that  at any stage Jose had a squad which gave him a viable alternative way to play but I'm done to death with that argument. People who see it my way will still be arguing with people who see it your way 20 years from now and not one of us will shift our opinions at all.

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2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I agree that this is partly true and have always said that if people want to apportion blame to TSO then this is the area where it may be appropriate to do so.

That said he was not responsible (read to blame) for all of the recruitment. It's only guess as to which players were signed at his request but I think there are big clues available. He spoke about some signings effusively, describing how he had sold the club to them during the process and giving reasons why he wanted that player. Compare the additions of Matic, Fabregas or Falcao for example, with the silence accompanying many of the arrivals. Other people will have other guesses of course.

I disagree with you very strongly that  at any stage Jose had a squad which gave him a viable alternative way to play but I'm done to death with that argument. People who see it my way will still be arguing with people who see it your way 20 years from now and not one of us will shift our opinions at all.

I agree with your last sentence so i'm just gonna respond to the middle section of your post.

Like you say both of us are just guessing as we don't know for sure. I believe Mourinho always had a big say in what players we bought.

Take Cuadrado for instance. Do i believe he was handpicked by Mourinho ? No, but i also don't believe Emenalo and the board made the decision to buy him on their own.

I think the club always tried to go after Mourinho's first choices but if they weren't available or too expensive then we offered him alternatives to pick from. 

That's atleast how i saw/see it.

[mccg 1,528]

Wouldnt be pissed if i saw him use the same door as Salah,Cuadrado etc went through,ffs when are we going to get someone to be good enough to challenge Hazard+Willian ?

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, mccg said:

Wouldnt be pissed if i saw him use the same door as Salah,Cuadrado etc went through,ffs when are we going to get someone to be good enough to challenge Hazard+Willian ?

The moment we get players similar to those two as opposed to getting players who are of different types and trying to turn them into Hazard/Willian 2.0.

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7 minutes ago, Jason said:

The moment we get players similar to those two as opposed to getting players who are of different types and trying to turn them into Hazard/Willian 2.0.

Yes i here you, but for his position i think he has been pretty poor tho many have been to be fair , still think barring his injuries Moses would done better etc

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2 minutes ago, mccg said:

Yes i here you, but for his position i think he has been pretty poor tho many have been to be fair , still think barring his injuries Moses would done better etc

Yes admittedly, he has been poor and must do better but it doesn't help that we are not using his quality to its potential. In the glimpses that we have seen so far, we saw what we can do. But unfortunately, we're trying to turn him into a different kind of player.

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes admittedly, he has been poor and must do better but it doesn't help that we are not using his quality to its potential. In the glimpses that we have seen so far, we saw what we can do. But unfortunately, we're trying to turn him into a different kind of player.

Yes agree, just hope Gus maybe works that out like he did with Costa,Fab, and hopefully turns Hazard season and ours around!