Baba Rahman

[didierforever 7,349]

31 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Well, let's see how Guus's opinion on Baba develops but why do you think he has, up to now, made the same decision Jose did?

probably for the same reason Oscar starts every game over RLC. the fact that they are "big names" or "big money signing" or something. but it surely has no relation to their ability whatsoever.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,064]

10 minutes ago, didierforever said:

probably for the same reason Oscar starts every game over RLC. the fact that they are "big names" or "big money signing" or something. but it surely has no relation to their ability whatsoever.

Is it worth considering that they have seen more than you have of the younger players and that both managers simply think you are wrong?

[didierforever 7,349]

8 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Is it worth considering that they have seen more than you have of the younger players and that both managers simply think you are wrong?

the results and performances beg to differ. also, they are humans. who seem to err. just more than most of the other managers in the world.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,064]

5 hours ago, didierforever said:

the results and performances beg to differ. also, they are humans. who seem to err. just more than most of the other managers in the world.

No they don't. Just because the road travelled ain't good don't mean the road not travelled is better.

Perhaps the managers who err less do so because they don't have the privilege of calling you a fan.

[didierforever 7,349]

24 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No they don't. Just because the road travelled ain't good don't mean the road not travelled is better.

Perhaps the managers who err less do so because they don't have the privilege of calling you a fan.

perhaps. or maybe those managers have the balls to drop underperforming players and actually put faith in others. be it lukaku, kdb, bertrand, baba, luis. the list goes on and on.

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

also, iva is 31 already. baba is 21 and has a good future ahead of him. instead of investing our time in giving baba the required experience, we wasted it on playing iva match after match. now, dont get me wrong. i have nothing against iva i love the guy just like jose, but not when it harms the club. but then again, not every one can be as good a fan as you. or maybe you just love the moral high ground. oh well.

[The Skipper 20,609]

5 hours ago, didierforever said:

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

[11Drogba 2,000]

23 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

Iva is also not as good as Toure. 

[didierforever 7,349]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

Baba is not as talented as Busquets is though, you can't say the talent is equivalent. It's a poor comparison.

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

8 minutes ago, didierforever said:

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

Yup. Baba has not impressed much at all in the limited time he's been given. I can only assume he isn't impressing much in training either. Compare it with someone like RLC who has had just as many limited minutes but has looked far more impressive than Baba. I actually think (unfortunately) that Azpi and Ivan are our best fullbacks by some distance, which is a shame.

Never convinced by the signing and he's not doing anything to prove me wrong so far but time will tell. Thought we should've got a more established fullback like Kurzawa or maybe Gaya in the summer.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,064]

On 14/01/2016 at 6:20 AM, didierforever said:

perhaps. or maybe those managers have the balls to drop underperforming players and actually put faith in others. be it lukaku, kdb, bertrand, baba, luis. the list goes on and on.

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

also, iva is 31 already. baba is 21 and has a good future ahead of him. instead of investing our time in giving baba the required experience, we wasted it on playing iva match after match. now, dont get me wrong. i have nothing against iva i love the guy just like jose, but not when it harms the club. but then again, not every one can be as good a fan as you. or maybe you just love the moral high ground. oh well.

I doubt either one of us would like to live in a world where opinions about which manager picks which players is an issue over which the moral high ground could be fought.

As for whether managers err less because they manage clubs you don't support, you've missed the point.

[didierforever 7,349]

21 hours ago, Tomo said:

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

fair enough. kenedy or baba. even though, I don't want to see any more players out of position.

as for easing baba in. I have to disagree. now or rather, 2 months ago was not the time to think about the long term effect of the bad game on baba. we needed wins. we needed points and most importantly we needed CHANGE. I have been crying for it since the city game. its not just hindsight that talking. we should have played/trusted baba more. look at zouma. he was average at best last season. he has been quite good this season. he is still making mistakes and will continue for a year or so until he gets the required experience, but atleast we are progressing in the right direction with him as one half of our CB. jose "easing" zouma in, dint mean that he absolutely stopped making mistakes.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

fair enough. kenedy or baba. even though, I don't want to see any more players out of position.

as for easing baba in. I have to disagree. now or rather, 2 months ago was not the time to think about the long term effect of the bad game on baba. we needed wins. we needed points and most importantly we needed CHANGE. I have been crying for it since the city game. its not just hindsight that talking. we should have played/trusted baba more. look at zouma. he was average at best last season. he has been quite good this season. he is still making mistakes and will continue for a year or so until he gets the required experience, but atleast we are progressing in the right direction with him as one half of our CB. jose "easing" zouma in, dint mean that he absolutely stopped making mistakes.

Even with us having nothing to play for, if Baba has regular bad games, he will be under the microscope, by the fans and pundits/journalist alike, especially considering his price tag which is astronomical for a full back.

All full backs are out of of position really, the more defensive ones start as centre back and ones that attack well start further forward, Pizckek (can't be bothered to Google the spelling) was a striker until he was 24.

Infact if Kenedy reaches his potential I can see him being a much better Zhirkov, left back and winger 2 in 1.

[didierforever 7,349]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Even with us having nothing to play for, if Baba has regular bad games, he will be under the microscope, by the fans and pundits/journalist alike, especially considering his price tag which is astronomical for a full back.

All full backs are out of of position really, the more defensive ones start as centre back and ones that attack well start further forward, Pizckek (can't be bothered to Google the spelling) was a striker until he was 24.

Infact if Kenedy reaches his potential I can see him being a much better Zhirkov, left back and winger 2 in 1.

so? let him be. this will be enough to decide if he has a future here or not. take the pressure off the kid, tell him that he will get ivanoviced no matter how he performs. access him till the end of the season. this is a professional footballer who has played for a good team in one of the top most leagues of the world. lets not treat him like a kid.

an odd game here and there is not a fair way to judge anyone. players are not robots that playing one game every 2 months, they will be perfectly match fit. this is what jose did with kdb, mata, salah, cuadrado, luis and every squad player. time to change SOMETHING.

i would rather use kenedy where he belongs. its not like hazard and pedro are setting the world alight as LW. pedro has been useless, oscar has always been useless. when hazard comes back, i would rather see hazard-willian-kenedy than pedro and oscar TRYING to play football

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On 1/14/2016 at 7:45 AM, didierforever said:

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

 

Yaya was not at his peak then. For some unknown reason people had it in their minds Yaya was a CB or a DM. It wasn't until he was allowed to be a lazy fuck that scores goals and dominates in attack did he reach his peak. 2013-2015 Toure is one of the best players you'd see int he modern game. He was completely reborn at Manchester.