Rumoured Paulo Dybala

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

9 hours ago, Vesper said:

anyone saying otherwise is just dead wrong

We are talking about football, it's a matter of opinion, it's not really a great thing to say in a debate.

I'm not sure about Icardi. He is a great player, one of the best strikers in the world, I agree with that. I'm not sure we need his package though. He is not an easy guy, he has this wifey who slowly turning into Zahavi/Raiola. He had fights with teammates, Inter-supporters.. The last thing we need right now is a player who rots the team from the inside.

Wanda and Mauro claim if Inter refuses to sell him for a low price he will easily sit out the next TWO seasons as his contract expires in 2021... and that's Inter's captain. I'm not sure I want a player like that in my team.

Also, I would start spending a lot of money on RB's, LB's, a CB, a winger, then a striker. Higuain can be loaned again for a year for 18 million, him and Giroud are quite ok. Not Icardi level but I think our defence is a far more bigger problem. Just look at Inter, they've had Icardi for years but they just can't put a good team together bc their defense and midfield have been filled with mediocre players. If we sign him and stuck with Alonso, Jorginho, Emerson and so on we'll be just like them.

[Vesper 30,088]

10 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

Higuain can be loaned again for a year for 18 million, him and Giroud are quite ok.

If things break the wrong way, we will not have either (nor Icardi) so the entire thing may be moot. No summer 2019 window, no Giroud (he may walk on a free) and we still can be blocked from renewing Hig's loan, if FIFA says so.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

if not him, then Jovic or Werner or Dybala

with Haller following up as last resort

that's about it for actually available CF's of any type of high quality who are under 30 out there atm

massive drop off after those

we sooo fucked up not going for Krzysztof Piątek (although Jovic might be better, BUT Jovic will be so so gone if we dont win the deferral appeal and get a summer 2019 summer window)

its probably going to come down to (if Hig's loan cannot be extended for 12 months and that is looking shaky, say 60/40 it can be) just Tammy and Bats as Giroud now also want to leave

 

FUCK THE BOARD

 

It's not going to help next season, but we can still buy players this summer on a loan back with an agreement then to move for summer 2020.

In fact if we are in that position and the board play their cards right we could be viewed as an attractive proposition by selling clubs, especially smaller clubs like Frankfurt with Jovic, Cagliari with Barella, etc because it means they get the sale but also an extra season of the player.

[Vesper 30,088]

Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

It's not going to help next season, but we can still buy players this summer on a loan back with an agreement then to move for summer 2020.

In fact if we are in that position and the board play their cards right we could be viewed as an attractive proposition by selling clubs, especially smaller clubs like Frankfurt with Jovic, Cagliari with Barella, etc because it means they get the sale but also an extra season of the player.

I suggested this early on, but met resistance due to injury risk.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I suggested this early on, but met resistance due to injury risk.

It's not really much different to loaning out players we already own. We've shown in the past we have no problem loaning out expensive players (Bakayoko, Morata, etc) and weighing up that getting them playing well and either back here eventually or selling them on without losing out or even turning a profit is a risk worth taking against potential injuries.

The fact we now seem to have a good chance of getting our money back on Bakayoko in the summer after last season is astounding.

We've shown too with the Pulisic deal that we're not averse to such a plan.

If there is a real top player this summer available. Let's just say the club has identified Jovic as the striker they want and feel they could build around for the next 8-10 years potentially. The risk of losing out on him I believe is far higher than the risk he got injured when loaned back out. And I would far rather see a player playing regularly than what Barca did buying players unregistered who couldn't then play anywhere for 6 months.

[Vesper 30,088]

7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It's not really much different to loaning out players we already own. We've shown in the past we have no problem loaning out expensive players (Bakayoko, Morata, etc) and weighing up that getting them playing well and either back here eventually or selling them on without losing out or even turning a profit is a risk worth taking against potential injuries.

The fact we now seem to have a good chance of getting our money back on Bakayoko in the summer after last season is astounding.

We've shown too with the Pulisic deal that we're not averse to such a plan.

If there is a real top player this summer available. Let's just say the club has identified Jovic as the striker they want and feel they could build around for the next 8-10 years potentially. The risk of losing out on him I believe is far higher than the risk he got injured when loaned back out. And I would far rather see a player playing regularly than what Barca did buying players unregistered who couldn't then play anywhere for 6 months.

I agree. Unfortunately I have no control to make it happen.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

If things break the wrong way, we will not have either (nor Icardi) so the entire thing may be moot. No summer 2019 window, no Giroud (he may walk on a free) and we still can be blocked from reneging Hig' loan, if FIFA says so.

If the transfer ban starts from this summer we can choose from Giroud, Tammy and maybe Morata

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2 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

If the transfer ban starts from this summer we can choose from Giroud, Tammy and maybe Morata

sorry for the typo btw

I meant blocked from renewing the Higuain loan

[the wes 7,212]

Not his Great season with juventus this season we should put in a cheeky bid for dybala he would be good replacement for Hazard  

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

I find him to be incredibly overrated. 

[Nicco 927]

25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I find him to be incredibly overrated. 

He is incredibly talented like Hazard but his physic is a joke.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

22 minutes ago, Nicco said:

He is incredibly talented like Hazard but his physic is a joke.

Hazard is streets ahead of him in terms of natural ability. Dybala for me reminds me of Firmino. I wouldn't be comfortable replacing Hazard for him. 

And yeah. I don't think the physical and fast paced nature of the Prem would suit him. 

[Arlen Correa 161]

He can't replace Hazard in the same role. He is made to play as ss but his natural position is almost nonexistent these days. What is a shame because he is one of the most talented players in the worls but is always struggling to stablish himself ar Juve due to tactical issues.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

He is like Isco. Great talents, everyone expected them to rule the world but at the age of 25-26 they can't even become untouchable in their teams. We can talk about the tactical reasons but Hazard played under like 6 coaches at Chelsea in many formations and had many rivals but he was never left out for "tactical reasons".

 

Can't blame Allegri, Bernardeschi or Mandzukic can offer much more for the team than Dybala.

[Arlen Correa 161]

2 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

He is like Isco. Great talents, everyone expected them to rule the world but at the age of 25-26 they can't even become untouchable in their teams. We can talk about the tactical reasons but Hazard played under like 6 coaches at Chelsea in many formations and had many rivals but he was never left out for "tactical reasons".

 

Can't blame Allegri, Bernardeschi or Mandzukic can offer much more for the team than Dybala.

Its not Allegri's fault. What i mean by tactical reasons is that Dybala is not a winger or really a midfielder. He is a ss or an old fashion 10, but reality is his position do not exist in the modern football anymore so the coach will need to adapt the entire system to use him. If you put him in the wing he will not be able to defend and his pace is not high level. As midfielder lets pick Barcelona as example: Dybala can not replace Rakitic or Arthur, and let alone Busquets obviously. He would demand a free role like Messi, what no big club will give him.

 

 Like Coutinho maybe he can play in the middle but not against strong opposition. The advantage Dybala has over Coutinho is that he is a much more letal goal scorer, so many times he can get way with the tactical nightmare that he is.

 

If a manager thinks he is worth to build a team surrounding him you probably could make it work with flexible tactics playing Dybala behind two strikers or as ss. I think he would be excellent at Tottenham under Pochettino for example. But once you shift to 4-3-3 or any formation with 3 up front he will be a problem again. Dont get me wrong he is a very talented player and i would sign him. But never to replace Hazard.