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Probably couldn't do it on a cold Wednesday night v Stoke. Wouldn't want.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Phenomenal player, Messi, the best player since the days of Zidane and Ronaldo but best of all time is hyperbole. We don't have to go back to Maradona or Pele. Messi is not better than Romario was. Certainly not. And arguably not better than Ronaldo in his Barca/Inter days before the injuries.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 00:00, MrExcalibur100 said:

Phenomenal player, Messi, the best player since the days of Zidane and Ronaldo but best of all time is hyperbole. We don't have to go back to Maradona or Pele. Messi is not better than Romario was. Certainly not. And arguably not better than Ronaldo in his Barca/Inter days before the injuries.

You're going a path you most certainly dont want to go.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 00:05, Marlon Brando said:

You're going a path you most certainly dont want to go.

It's true though. Messi is one of the all time greats but is not the all time great, and we don't need to speak of Pele or Maradona to know that.

[iseah100 5,612]

TBE, GOAT.

[empire of emotions 247]

cristiano ronaldo and messi are the best players ever. i'm giving slight advantage to ronaldo between these two.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 00:08, MrExcalibur100 said:

It's true though. Messi is one of the all time greats but is not the all time great, and we don't need to speak of Pele or Maradona to know that.

The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both.

Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 02:10, Marlon Brando said:

The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both.

Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters.

Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up.

There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better.

This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation.

It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 03:37, MrExcalibur100 said:

Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up.

There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better.

This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation.

It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I.

Stopped reading at Romario carried an average team.

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  On 23/09/2014 at 12:09, Nike said:

Messi had 3 countries he could of played for...

Spain

Italy

argentina

Chose the country was the least amount of chance for glory and team success...

Footballer represents the country of his birth. Give the man a medal.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 03:37, MrExcalibur100 said:

Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up.

There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better.

This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation.

It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I.

I really don't know with which brazilian people you are talking with... but I would say less than 1% of the population of Brazil thinks Romario was better than Messi (and for me 1% is a really high percentage).

Messi is a lot better than ROmario, and over the years was also a lot better than Ronaldo (this one can be debatable since Ronaldo was a great and had a lot of injury problems).

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  On 30/10/2014 at 03:50, Marlon Brando said:

Stopped reading at Romario carried an average team.

Maybe average is too strong but he wasn't surrounded with the same talent as Messi has with Argentina. Of course you have nothing else to add to the discussion, that's what normally happens when you stop reading when you don't like something you've read.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 14:06, MrExcalibur100 said:

Maybe average is too strong but he wasn't surrounded with the same talent as Messi has with Argentina. Of course you have nothing else to add to the discussion, that's what normally happens when you stop reading when you don't like something you've read.

See previous pages or football controversies thread. I can't be bothered explaining myself again.

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Messi> Ronaldo. End of.

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  On 30/10/2014 at 00:05, Marlon Brando said:

You're going a path you most certainly dont want to go.

Messi might be better than Romario. But he isn't better than pre injury Ronaldo brazilian imo

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Ridiculous. Even at only 27

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  On 30/10/2014 at 02:10, Marlon Brando said:

The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both.

Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters.

1-2 brazilians doesnt repesent a whole nation....

It's too bad because Neymar will be the next generation god, just like messi and cr7 was to this generation...

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  On 30/10/2014 at 16:20, kellzfresh said:

Messi might be better than Romario. But he isn't better than pre injury Ronaldo brazilian imo

Sorry but I don't know how people can contest that. Messi when he was at his highest performances of his career was scoring 40+ a season, creating so many goals and he was churning out world class performances when he wanted to. Sure you can say Barca played to Messi's strength but so did most teams Ronaldo played for. What we seen of Ronaldo in his best years was great too obviously, a world class player, a true great but Messi is the greatest.