Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It's true though. Messi is one of the all time greats but is not the all time great, and we don't need to speak of Pele or Maradona to know that.The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both. Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both. Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters. Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up. There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better. This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation. It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up. There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better. This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation. It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I.Stopped reading at Romario carried an average team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Messi had 3 countries he could of played for...SpainItalyargentinaChose the country was the least amount of chance for glory and team success...Footballer represents the country of his birth. Give the man a medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Judging from my experience, most Brazilians will disagree that Messi is better than Romario. Messi had the chance to prove he was the best ever at the WC but couldn't. Others like Maradona and Romario carried average teams on their back and won the World Cup for their country, Messi had his individual moments but often looked laboured and all too easily shackled by defenses. The so-called best ever player wasn't even the best player on his team. His free-kick in the dying minutes against Germany just summed it up. There's really no reason for me to rate Messi higher than Romario, for instance. Romario has more goals (it's unlikely Messi will ever eclipse his tally), and IMO, roughly the same amount of quality and ability, Messi being more explosive and a better dribbler while Romario had more flair, flashy skills, better movement and was a lethal finisher. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time, though some will say Muller or Puskas were better. This is the most important fact. Messi has had the privilege of playing in one of the strongest teams in European football history for virtually all his career, ahead of the Xavi and Iniesta duo and alongside forwards like Eto'o and Villa who made space for him with their movement and runs. Now that he has neither, he's not looking as dominant as before. Maradona for instance never played for such a dominant team but still distinguished himself as the best of his era, be it Napoli or with Argentina. I personally won't be surprised if Ronaldo surpasses him in the next 2-3 years as the absolute best of his generation. It's mostly the younger generation that think Messi and Ronaldo are the best players ever when this couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, there are some respected footballing people that have said Messi is the best ever, but for as many have said that, there are even more who say otherwise. Mourinho doesn't believe it, neither do I.I really don't know with which brazilian people you are talking with... but I would say less than 1% of the population of Brazil thinks Romario was better than Messi (and for me 1% is a really high percentage).Messi is a lot better than ROmario, and over the years was also a lot better than Ronaldo (this one can be debatable since Ronaldo was a great and had a lot of injury problems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Stopped reading at Romario carried an average team. Maybe average is too strong but he wasn't surrounded with the same talent as Messi has with Argentina. Of course you have nothing else to add to the discussion, that's what normally happens when you stop reading when you don't like something you've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe average is too strong but he wasn't surrounded with the same talent as Messi has with Argentina. Of course you have nothing else to add to the discussion, that's what normally happens when you stop reading when you don't like something you've read. See previous pages or football controversies thread. I can't be bothered explaining myself again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Messi> Ronaldo. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You're going a path you most certainly dont want to go.Messi might be better than Romario. But he isn't better than pre injury Ronaldo brazilian imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Ridiculous. Even at only 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The fact you think Romario and Ronaldo are better than him creates a misleading suggestion, considering actual Brazilians claim Messi is better than both. Pele wasn't even the greatest Brazilian for starters.1-2 brazilians doesnt repesent a whole nation....It's too bad because Neymar will be the next generation god, just like messi and cr7 was to this generation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Messi might be better than Romario. But he isn't better than pre injury Ronaldo brazilian imoSorry but I don't know how people can contest that. Messi when he was at his highest performances of his career was scoring 40+ a season, creating so many goals and he was churning out world class performances when he wanted to. Sure you can say Barca played to Messi's strength but so did most teams Ronaldo played for. What we seen of Ronaldo in his best years was great too obviously, a world class player, a true great but Messi is the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry but I don't know how people can contest that. Messi when he was at his highest performances of his career was scoring 40+ a season, creating so many goals and he was churning out world class performances when he wanted to. Sure you can say Barca played to Messi's strength but so did most teams Ronaldo played for. What we seen of Ronaldo in his best years was great too obviously, a world class player, a true great but Messi is the greatest. Your 18 years old...I highly doubt you saw Ronaldo at his peak.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The Ronaldo of the Barcelona season and 2 first seasons in Inter, is probably the best player ever. With 20 years score almost 50 goals with Barcelona, in one season... 50 goals with 20 years!!!! INHUMAN. In a Spanish league very much more balanced, when Barcelona couldn't score 5/6 goals every matches. In the spanish league of the last years, he would make so little, the records of goals of Messi and Cristiano. This guy without injury would not have comparative in the history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Your 18 years old...I highly doubt you saw Ronaldo at his peak.. Just because I am 18 years old that doesn't mean I haven't seen videos or taped games of him from years ago when most of my family are football daft does it? Sure I didn't see him live but relatives of mines who were passionate about football did get to watch him when he was younger. Ignorant bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Just because I am 18 years old that doesn't mean I haven't seen videos or taped games of him from years ago does it? Ignorant bastard. HAHA. Yea, you go watch all his games from videos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 HAHA. Yea, you go watch all his games from videos...Did I say all his games? Did I fuck. Half the games I seen of him were obviously at Real when I really got into football but my grandad had taped a few from the 2002 World Cup that I eventually got a hold of when I started getting into football and then did a bit of looking when we got a computer and seen that goal in the UEFA cup final, the goal for Barcelona where he beat 4 or 5 players, various dribbles demonstrating how good he was at controlling the ball and how he was really a unique one of a kind player. I wasn't lucky enough to see him play live when he was at Inter but for fuck sakes that doesn't mean that I never seen him play at all and couldn't tell if he was a great player or not. Quite frankly you really annoy me man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Did I say all his games? Did I fuck. Half the games I seen of him were obviously at Real when I really got into football but my grandad had taped a few from the 2002 World Cup that I eventually got a hold of when I started getting into football and then did a bit of looking when we got a computer and seen that goal in the UEFA cup final, the goal for Barcelona where he beat 4 or 5 players, various dribbles demonstrating how good he was at controlling the ball and how he was really a unique one of a kind player. I wasn't lucky enough to see him play live when he was at Inter but for fuck sakes that doesn't mean that I never seen him play at all and couldn't tell if he was a great player or not. Quite frankly you really annoy me man.Quite frankly, you are irrelevant to the topic than....So, your telling me that you watch half his games on vhs? Frankly, I highly doubt a kid thats 5-6 year old remember Ronaldo games on television.. You must be a child prodigy if you can recall that stuff... Shit, I dont even remember my grade school teacher's names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Shame Messi living at the same time with CR. Also vice versa. If not, they will be the best player in their own generation without doubt, no debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Quite frankly, you are irrelevant to the topic than....So, your telling me that you watch half his games on vhs? Frankly, I highly doubt a kid thats 5-6 year old remember Ronaldo games on television.. You must be a child prodigy if you can recall that stuff... Shit, I dont even remember my grade school teacher's names...No. I watched a few from the 2002 WC on tapes when I started watching and playing football more than usual in 2004 as my grandad (who really is the reason I am a Chelsea fan today as they were his team) had recorded them on VHS. Sure I can't recall everything that happened in the game, which 8 year old could? I can't remember precisely which games they were other than th final but thats because the whole carry on about will he play or wont he play. Then when we got a computer and sky a few years later, I started to get right into football you start looking at clips of people on the internet and try to imitate their moves and watch football more etc. You know? Like every normal fucking kid. Anyway Messi is the best footballer that has lived and he probably will be remembered as the best of all time.Me a child prodigy? Right I am big headed sometimes but if you want to call me that, thats fine by me, I am great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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