🇧🇷 Filipe Luís

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Think he has been signed to be a sub by Jose, I mean you don't think Jose will drop Dave or Iva, his 2 favorite defenders which he heaps praises on recently? Hope he is patience though and doesn't kick up a fuss by next summer.

Perhaps Jose's plan is to shift Brana to CB once he sees Terry decline.. Opening up an opportunity for Luis.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Perhaps Jose's plan is to shift Brana to CB once he sees Terry decline.. Opening up an opportunity for Luis.

Yep...eventually. Notice that last word, think Luis needs to be patience, maybe his real time won't come until next season.

[stroey 2,525]

Jose signed him because we needed a 5th top class senior defender. 4 seniors for 1 full season is not enough. We would get into trouble if one of them gets injured/suspended/a bad run of games. Last year we were very shaky when JT was injured. ( Luiz in CB )

We have a great balance now, 5 seniors who represent 2RB's, 2LB's, 3 CB's and 2 juniors in Zouma and Ake to learn from them and get some minutes here and there.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yep...eventually. Notice that last word, think Luis needs to be patience, maybe his real time won't come until next season.

Said it before, but this is too similar to Azpilicueta last season. Couldn't get a look in then the opportunity came along..

[WNDS 502]

The problem Luis has when it comes to getting a proper run in the team is less to do with Azpi, and more to do with Ivanovic currently being completely untouchable under Mourinho.

Up to a point, I can understand why this is; he's one of the leaders in this team, his physicality is very useful at both ends of the pitch, and he's a direct attacking threat from both open play and set pieces. I don't agree with Mourinho that these attributes alone should make him a true untouchable, however. I find his fairly regular lapses in concentration enormously frustrating, and there are times when his play smacks of complacency. He's been at least partly responsible for quite a few of the goals we've conceded so far this season (2 against Everton, 1 against Swansea, the Schalke equaliser at home, QPR's goal etc.), but never appears to pay the price and it seems as if he doesn't expect to. Yes, Ivanovic attacks well, but that didn't save goalscorer and non-defender Schurrle from getting a complete and very public tongue-lashing from the manager after the Man City game, with Ivanovic's role in us conceding that goal being completely overlooked. If Mourinho is (rightly) going to critisise wide midfielders for not tracking their men, then why not Ivanovic (you know, an actual defender) as well?

I could understand the lack of criticism and rotation of a player if the back-ups in his position are flat-out inadequate, and I'm not advocating for the adoption of a a 'one-mistake-and-you're-out' policy, but our depth at full-back is excellent, and consequently none of the three players should be given the status of 'untouchable'. The manager needs to rotate the full-backs far more frequently, and to do so in response to the (expected) individual qualities, tactics, and strategies of each separate opposing team. I mean, even Simeone at Atletico rotates his left-backs quite frequently this season depending upon the opposition they face, and Atletico remain an excellent defensive unit.

In short, play Luis more!!!!

P.S.: I suppose I could have posted this in the Ivanovic thread as well, but eh...., I prefer using the player threads to call for players to play more based on their perceived qualities rather than using them to ask for the player to be dropped/sold. For the record, I do actually rate Ivan highly, and would play him regularly, just not EVERY game.

[The Chels 2,502]

Unless you're Torres, no one is given the opportunity to adjust at Chelsea!

Ivanovic has been given years to adjust to the RB role. He still hasn't learned how to close players down quickly, deal with diagonal balls and how not to lose concentration.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Our full-backs are both brilliant.Luis deserves the bench. He has played a few games where he did well, but nothing special to take over from Dave, just like Ashley did last season. IMO we could have kept the money and kept Ash for another season, I'm sure he would have done the job when needed.

[The Chels 2,502]

I find his fairly regular lapses in concentration enormously frustrating, and there are times when his play smacks of complacency. He's been at least partly responsible for quite a few of the goals we've conceded so far this season (2 against Everton, 1 against Swansea, the Schalke equaliser at home, QPR's goal etc.), but never appears to pay the price and it seems as if he doesn't expect to. Yes, Ivanovic attacks well, but that didn't save goalscorer and non-defender Schurrle from getting a complete and very public tongue-lashing from the manager after the Man City game, with Ivanovic's role in us conceding that goal being completely overlooked. If Mourinho is (rightly) going to critisise wide midfielders for not tracking their men, then why not Ivanovic (you know, an actual defender) as well?

exactly. Hazard and Schurrle have both been slated publicly (and subsequently dropped) by Jose for losing concentration in games (Atletico and City) where Ivanovic did the exact same thing. It's strange though because Mourinho and the vast majority of Chelsea fans refuse to acknowledge the fact that Ivanovic regularly costs us points. I reckon because Jose plays him all the time, lots of fans automatically assume he's amazing defensively.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Ivanovic has been given years to adjust to the RB role. He still hasn't learned how to close players down quickly, deal with diagonal balls and how not to lose concentration.

Didn't the same happen with Luis before he was hooked during the Maribor match?

[The Chels 2,502]

Didn't the same happen with Luis before he was hooked during the Maribor match?

Pretty much. Ivanovic doesn't close the winger down quickly enough, allows the cross in and from Zouma's clearance Luis also doesn't close the opposition down quickly enough. They manage to score and Luis is thus hauled off and dropped for the subsequent CL match. Never mind that Ivanovic did the same thing and if you remember the chance Maribor had soon after scoring where they missed an open goal opportunity, Ivanovic switched off from the cross.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Pretty much. Ivanovic doesn't close the winger down quickly enough, allows the cross in and from Zouma's clearance Luis also doesn't close the opposition down quickly enough. They manage to score and Luis is thus hauled off and dropped for the subsequent CL match. Never mind that Ivanovic did the same thing and if you remember the chance Maribor had soon after scoring where they missed an open goal opportunity, Ivanovic switched off from the cross.

Yep you could even see the look on his face when he smacked luis on the back coming off. Obviously Luis has a much shorter leash for him than Ivanovic.

[iseah100 5,612]

If Azpi had played on the right vs United and City we wouldn't have dropped points.

Don't compare Ash to Luis, Luis right now is better than Ash was last year. Ash got burned by Robbem vs Bayern with Roma. Luis doesn't get burned.

[Jase 43,479]

If Azpi had played on the right vs United and City we wouldn't have dropped points.

Don't compare Ash to Luis, Luis right now is better than Ash was last year. Ash got burned by Robbem vs Bayern with Roma. Luis doesn't get burned.

Didn't Luis get owned by Zaha in the Palace game?

[iseah100 5,612]

Didn't Luis get owned by Zaha in the Palace game?

Pish posh.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Ivanovic has been given years to adjust to the RB role. He still hasn't learned how to close players down quickly, deal with diagonal balls and how not to lose concentration.

Iva has other qualities he brings, plus it's not like we've had world class fullbacks during his time here.

Speaking if Iva, he wasn't given opportunities to adjust when he first came either. He was no where near even the bench for a few good months and had to work his butt off in training and take the chance he was given when it came.

Luis' first real chance was Azpi's suspension where he had 4 starts in a row and he did not show that he is better than Cesar so he'll have to wait for the next chance.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

IMO Iva does fine, but not THAT fine that Mou couldnt even give one or two games with Azpi and Luis at back.

Its all down to Mou pick, his prefering of solid defense, rather making an experiment in attacking sense. And last CL game will be perfect chance for that. Unless he will give Ake a run. That would be acceptable too.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Iva has other qualities he brings, plus it's not like we've had world class fullbacks during his time here.

Speaking if Iva, he wasn't given opportunities to adjust when he first came either. He was no where near even the bench for a few good months and had to work his butt off in training and take the chance he was given when it came.

Luis' first real chance was Azpi's suspension where he had 4 starts in a row and he did not show that he is better than Cesar so he'll have to wait for the next chance.

The thing with Dave is that he has been so good, considered best defender in the league by Neville, how can anyone beat that? it is like saying Ronaldo is injured so Isco should play in his play, yep he will score a couple of goals here and there but ultimately he can't outplace Ronaldo because CR7 is just way better. I think atm Luis got more chance of displacing Iva than Dave, maybe with Dave move to RB and Luis LB. That or a serious injury to Dave(hopefully never happens but football is like that)

[WNDS 502]

The thing with Dave is that he has been so good, considered best defender in the league by Neville, how can anyone beat that? it is like saying Ronaldo is injured so Isco should play in his play, yep he will score a couple of goals here and there but ultimately he can't outplace Ronaldo because CR7 is just way better. I think atm Luis got more chance of displacing Iva than Dave, maybe with Dave move to RB and Luis LB. That or a serious injury to Dave(hopefully never happens but football is like that)

Azpi probably IS the best defensive full-back in the league, but that alone isn't really much help for us against teams that decide to use the same defensive setup as Sunderland did; against those teams, the LB needs to attack more than defend. The LB has to be more willing and able to move into attacking positions to stretch play and provide crosses, as well as being capable of getting involved in the general build-up play with fast and ambitious passing on the ground.

After this Sunderland performance, more sides are now going to sit back on the edge of their box and defend narrow against us; Azpi's game at LB is simply not suited to helping us break the opposition down in these scenarios, and they know it.

Your Ronaldo-Isco/Azpi-Luis analogy is flawed when applied to games like these. If anything, Luis is 'Ronaldo' (the better attacker/less defensively sound) whilst Azpi is 'Isco'.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Will never understand why he doesn't start these sort of games, was quality when he came on.

[iseah100 5,612]

Will never understand why he doesn't start these sort of games, was quality when he came on.

Cause Jose is a stubborn ass guy.