Cesc Fàbregas

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And who were they competing with? We were becoming a strong force. United were still very strong and as Fabregas got a bit older, City entered the fray as well and like I was saying the PL is just a general tougher league than La Liga. Barca were on another level. The point being still is that Thiago was no way near as established as Cesc at the same age and you cannot deny that if Thiago left to Arsenal, he would not have made more of an impact on the team than Fabregas had. Fabregas was fantastic at Arsenal, goals and assists wise and it is not his fault that they did not win much trophies whilst he was there.

I still don't get what your clips prove. Yes, Thiago can do all the simple, slick passing like Fabregas did in the first clip I showed you but look at most of Fabregas assists. They are all a different range of passing, something which Thiago has not displayed as well as Fabregas. Fabregas changes game with just one pass, sometimes short and long. Arsenal one was the most recent and there will be many more. Not denying his talents but at least show games from an actual competitive game and not a pre-season game ffs

WHen your on a bad team with low ambitions, someone always gets the stats ala KDB and Lukaku....(its like sterling and his midtable liverpool, someone going to get stats in a gunho offense)

Watch the second video of Thiago passing range.

Please tell me Cesc is obviously better in longball

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WHen your on a bad team with low ambitions, someone always gets the stats ala KDB and Lukaku....(its like sterling and his midtable liverpool, someone going to get stats in a gunho offense)

Watch the second video of Thiago passing range.

Please tell me Cesc is obviously better in longball

I am going to silence you here hopefully once and for all. Explain to me why Fabregas IIRC led the assists chart in the league last season then. Once again got into double figures of assists. The 12/13 got 10 assists in the league and was up there in the top 3 in the league with assists and even in general his time at Barca he recorded 28 goals and 32 assists which is very impressive. Was Barca a bad team with low ambitions then and are you still going to compare him with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Sterling? Love to hear your comeback for this as it pretty much has shown you were proven wrong.

For me is it not up for debate. I would say Fabregas definitely has better long range passing than Thiago. Thiago has no way made the same amount of assists as Fabregas. You can show me clips but they don't equate to what Fabregas has done. Whatever you show me of Thiago's passing range, Fabregas has done that even more, that is not up for debate.

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Thiago played and started during the era that barcelona was viewed as the best team in history.

Cesc played and started when arsenal are becoming the 4th place loving trophy team they are today and won 1 fa cup in his span at arsenal..

That's correct, but Fabregas was one the best player and the captain of Arsenal while Thiago was not that outstanding in Barca.

I think Thiago had never been a star there. He was a starter for a few months but never become intouchable and Barcelona didn't really wanted to keep him.

Fabregas was a World Cup and Europe Cup winner and one of the best midfielders in the world at the age of 23. Thiago is yet to leave his mark. He has the talent and plays in a very good team but his carreer is nowhere near to Fabregas'.

I like Thiago a lot but he needs to improve a lot in the next few years.

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I am going to silence you here hopefully once and for all. Explain to me why Fabregas IIRC led the assists chart in the league last season then. Once again got into double figures of assists. The 12/13 got 10 in the league and was up there in the top 3 in the league with assists and even in general his time at Barca he recorded 28 goals and 32 assists. Was Barca a bad team with low ambitions then and are you still going to compare him with Lukaku, De Bruyne and Sterling? Love to hear your comeback for this as it pretty much has shown you were proven wrong.

For me is it not up for debate. I would say Fabregas definitely has better long range passing than Thiago. Thiago has no way made the same amount of assists as Fabregas. You can show me clips but they don't equate to what Fabregas has done. Whatever you show me of Thiago's passing range, Fabregas has done that even more, that is not up for debate.

Assists/stats is everything to you...

Ask barca fans what they really thought of Cesc and most if not all will not have a glowing statement... Also, thiago plays further back, while Cesc was an experiment false nine. Kind of like Lampard vs Xavi. Im pretty sure lampard has more goals and assists than xavi ever did, but by your logic lampard is better and has better vision, etc....

You know why barcelona had him as a false nine, rather than in their midfield? Its because his skillset wasnt good enought to play in their midfield, so they had to find a way for him to succeed...

You can tell me all the nonsense about assists, like Juan Mata, but players like Silva and Thiago will always be better in my eyes and in most Spainards...

That's correct, but Fabregas was one the best player and the captain of Arsenal while Thiago was not that outstanding in Barca.

I think Thiago had never been a star there. He was a starter for a few months but never become intouchable and Barcelona didn't really wanted to keep him.

Fabregas was a World Cup and Europe Cup winner and one of the best midfielders in the world at the age of 23. Thiago is yet to leave his mark. He has the talent and plays in a very good team but his carreer is nowhere near to Fabregas'.

I like Thiago a lot but he needs to improve a lot in the next few years.

Barcelona and Xavi wanted Thiago and Thiago was an untouchable.....Under Pep. WHich is exactly why pep made thiago his number 1 target, not CESC. Even when he was available, Pep passed him....

They said when thiago went to munich, that munich had better midfielders and he would rot on the bench, yet, he pretty much started or appeared every game he was healthy. They said munich has a guy name Kroos, but yet, Munich chose to pick thiago over kroos...

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Thiago is 23 and has made less than 100 appearances at club level. How is he better than Cesc? Right now he as potential, but until he can play a full season and play a major role in helping a top club he can't be better than Cesc. Ffs.

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Assists doesnt equate to vision. If that was the case Cristiano, lampard, gerrard would be up there in terms of vision... People look too much into vision as assists..

Yet, I remember reading when mata was on chelsea he had more than all 3 barca midfielder combined assists or something crazy like that...

Vision its simple.. Thiago, like Silva can move around and adjust, however, Mata/Cesc are more static playmakers... Therefore, the option to provide the pass is greater from a player like silva/thiago vs cesc/mata. Thiago has a better passing range than Cesc and even longball passing is debateable. Vision isnt the pass that leads directly to the goal, vision can be the pass before the goal that doesnt show in the stats sheets...

Also, when you have better technique, you can make more and better passes in different situations.

Your definition of vision makes no sense to me. You literally mean the passing options available to him in his field of vision?

I define vision as the ability of being able to see a play develop before it actually develops. And of course, executing the pass required to develop that play.

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Your definition of vision makes no sense to me. You literally mean the passing options available to him in his field of vision?

I define vision as the ability of being able to see a play develop before it actually develops. And of course, executing the pass required to develop that play.

When you have better technique, you can execute the pass better.

When you can shield the ball better, you can pass better.

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Assists/stats is everything to you...

Ask barca fans what they really thought of Cesc and most if not all will not have a glowing statement... Also, thiago plays further back, while Cesc was an experiment false nine. You know why barcelona had him as a false nine, rather than in their midfield? Its because his skillset wasnt good enought to play in their midfield, so they had to find a way for him to succeed...

You can tell me all the nonsense about assists, like Juan Mata, but players like Silva and Thiago will always be better in my eyes and in most Spainards...

Now you are trying to change the script. You came up with some rubbish about why Fabregas assists record was go great at Arsenal because he was a good player in a team with "no ambitions". I then proved you wrong with that statement by pointing out his assists record at Barca was quite exceptional as well despite not even starting every game and not to mention the fact that he is leading the assists chart for us as well and I think only 2 assists away from reaching double figures already. Pretty impressive huh? But now you want to retract your statement by turning it back on me by claiming all I look at is assists/stats because you know you were proved wrong so give it a rest please

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When you have better technique, you can execute the pass better.

When you can shield the ball better, you can pass better.

Right. How does that equate to vision though? You could have the greatest passing technique in the world but if you can't spot a pass, you won't get into a championship team.

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Now you are trying to change the script. You came up with some rubbish about why Fabregas assists record was go great at Arsenal because he was a good player in a team with "no ambitions". I then proved you wrong with that statement by pointing out his assists record at Barca was quite exceptional as well despite not even starting every game and not to mention the fact that he is leading the assists chart for us as well and I think only 2 assists away from reaching double figures already. Pretty impressive huh? But now you want to retract your statement by turning it back on me by claiming all I look at is assists/stats because you know you were proved wrong so give it a rest please

He played false nine at barca....

You know what messi stats are this season... 9 apearances, 7 goals, 7 assists in the false nine position...

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Right. How does that equate to vision though? You could have the greatest passing technique in the world but if you can't spot a pass, you won't get into a championship team.

If you can execute those passes, vision comes naturally to you since the game slows down for you. Similar to american football or basketball, when your technique is superb the pass comes natural, especially when you have superior footwork...

It's always people that lack superior technique and positioing/physical attributes, that have trouble.

Wait and See when Thiago comes back this year...You can see what Spainards all see in the heir to Xavi.

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He played false nine at barca....

You know what messi stats are this season... 9 apearances, 7 goals, 7 assists in the false nine position...

The truth is Fabregas had no fixed position at Barca. He sometimes played his natural position, sometimes as a false nine and sometimes I think even wide left but he still made assists either way and I know a lot of them came from CM. Yes, the false nine position as well. However he is playing in a deeper role at us and later on in the game goes a bit more advanced but is still recording assists and proving his vision is one of the best in the football world. Don't see why you are still trying to look for excuses to explain his assists. Just accept that he has one of the best eye for a pass in the game and more times than not he executes his passes to perfection.

Barca's loss is our gain. I don't care if you pointed out that the Barca manager did not want Fabregas or point out that most Spanish people prefer Thiago over Fabregas. Ask most Chelsea fans and Mourinho who they would prefer, Cesc or Thiago and I am sure they would tell you Fabregas.

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The truth is Fabregas had no fixed position at Barca. He sometimes played his natural position, sometimes as a false nine and sometimes I think even wide left but he still made assists either way and I know a lot of them came from CM. Yes, the false nine position as well. However he is playing in a deeper role at us and later on in the game goes a bit more advanced but is still recording assists and proving his vision is one of the best in the football world. Don't see why you are still trying to look for excuses to explain his assists. Just accept that he has one of the best eye for a pass in the game and more times than not he executes his passes to perfection.

Barca's loss is our gain. I don't care if you pointed out that the Barca manager did not want Fabregas or point out that most Spanish people prefer Thiago over Fabregas. Asky most Chelsea fans who they would prefer, Cesc or Thiago and I am sure they would tell you Fabregas.

Yeap. Your right on that. Cesc assists this season have been magnificient, however, this long debate with various people, I think I lost concentration on what my initial argument was. which was basically thiago is better for barca/spain than Cesc. As you said, everything else can be debateable..

This season would be a good measuring stick to see who is better.

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Fuck me you're over-rating the fuck out of Thiago. The argument started when you said he is better than Cesc's prime. Utterly ridiculus. You keep posting videos of Thiago, mate complations can make Victor Moses and Peter Crouch look like Ronaldo and Alan Shearer. If you said Thiago will be better than Cesc one day I would be ok with that but now, Cesc is a class above Thiago in terms of assists and controlling the game. There is no question about it.

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Maybe I am not following Bayern very much, but actually I never heard any news about Thiago soon after he joined Bayern, no important headlines or news, except that he has long term injury.

Now he has fit? How is he playing now? If not as good as his Barca days, I don't see any meaning of this Cesc - Thiago comparison discussion. It's like comparing Torres and Aguero at the moment.