Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ancelotti? Drogba scored 50, Kalou 25, Anelka 31 when Carlo was the coach.in 2011... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! oldportblue 547 Posted June 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 3, 2014 Blaming the strikers is the easy way of Mou passing the blame and not taking any responsibility for his system not working.You cannot have 9 defensive minded players out there (minus Hazard and the striker) and expect to create many chances, and score many goals.lolz what are you on about? it's not the easy way, it's just the truth... our strikers are pathetic at the moment. In truth it's a miracle we even got so close to the title and the CL final! which other manager could have achieved what jose did with ba, torres and old man eto'o? with the worst strikerforce out of any top team in europe we almost had the best season in the team's history.... this nonsensical mourinho bashing is annoying (not to mention off-topic) Madmax, The only place to be, edetarod and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustafa 885 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Exactly the point that Andy Jacobs just made --which I agree with. Only thing that Fabregas has over Oscar is more success in the PL and a better shot on goal. Ironic that Chelsea would buy Fabregas while not yet having given Oscar enough minutes in centre midfield instead of in an advanced position. -Ironic- as it seems to me that Fabregas was not given enough chances to play in a deeper role at Barca.No no. Cesc is a far better playmaker. Oscar is pretty average when a team that parks the bus and sits deep with two banks of 4 and defend for their lives. I remember Cesc once assisted 4 goals and scored a half volley from outside the box against Blackburn in a game for Arsenal. He has the kind of creativity that we need up the pitch and the kind that Oscar doesn't have Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 lolz what are you on about? it's not the easy way, it's just the truth... our strikers are pathetic at the moment. In truth it's a miracle we even got so close to the title and the CL final! which other manager could have achieved what jose did with ba, torres and old man eto'o? with the worst strikerforce out of any top team in europe we almost had the best season in the team's history.... this nonsensical mourinho bashing is annoying (not to mention off-topic)The strikers are pathetic but they aren't the only problem. Costa won't magically make Ramires a better player, won't make Oscar create more chances, won't make Ivanovic deliver better crosses etc etc.Chelsea could have won the league with a proper striker, but said striker will still have many games where they have close to no supply. Viper22, laura90, Styles and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFanUK 1,014 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think it's from 2011. There are articles from Telegraph and Guardian from 2011 with the same title.Thought so as a twitter search had no one mentioning it, besides the tweeterMy mistake i didnt notice he had written "oops...." before the tweet implying that Fabregas is a litle bullshitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The strikers are pathetic but they aren't the only problem. Costa won't magically make Ramires a better player, won't make Oscar create more chances, won't make Ivanovic deliver better crosses etc etc.Chelsea could have won the league with a proper striker, but said striker will still have many games where they have close to no supply.you have absolutely no way of knowing that, good players make those around them better. We've been so starved for strikers the last few years I don't even think our players know what its like to have one up top. oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 No no. Cesc is a far better playmaker. Oscar is pretty average when a team that parks the bus and sits deep with two banks of 4 and defend for their lives. I remember Cesc once assisted 4 goals and scored a half volley from outside the box against Blackburn in a game for Arsenal. He has the kind of creativity that we need up the pitch and the kind that Oscar doesn't haveOscar MIGHT not have everything that Cesc has, but Oscar also arrived into an unbalanced Chelsea squad less than two years ago and Chelsea are still unbalanced and passing too slow as a team. Agree that we need more drive, skill and creation from center midfield though. I think CFC need more than Cesc; someone else who is physically imposing but better in transition and building an attack than what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 you have absolutely no way of knowing that, good players make those around them better. We've been so starved for strikers the last few years I don't even think our players know what its like to have one up top.By your logic shouldn't playing with a top DM like Matic make Ramires better? If you put Messi in front of Oscar, he will still have the same problems he does against defensive teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 By your logic shouldn't playing with a top DM like Matic make Ramires better? If you put Messi in front of Oscar, he will still have the same problems he does against defensive teams.you have no idea what you're talking about... this is borderline retarded. Its a team game, what if Messi's movement allows for Oscar to make the sort of pass that he normally tries but doesn't have a striker who understands it? It takes two, not one... oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Joker10 946 Posted June 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 3, 2014 People here really seeing the difficulty of how much better fit Cesc is to a direct side then Mata? Mata did not fit Mou system that goes beyond his defensive ability. I can see Cesc turning into a monster under Mou, his long balls and vision are one of the best in the world and it would be incredible to have that kinda player to turn counter. This team has a lot of work rate and Cesc understands team defensive concept very well, i am not worried about that side. Cesc does not fit Barca system, that is no shame because a lot of great players have had difficult time adjusting to theirs. The Skipper, seanptmiller, DYC. and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The strikers are pathetic but they aren't the only problem. Costa won't magically make Ramires a better player, won't make Oscar create more chances, won't make Ivanovic deliver better crosses etc etc.Chelsea could have won the league with a proper striker, but said striker will still have many games where they have close to no supply.People will only realise this when Costa or whoever's numbers decrease. laura90 and Sheva. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 So, Barcelona going to sell Cesc after they sold Thiago.Even though Xavi is going to retire soon? When Cesc came to Barcelona and was linked to them the summer prior, everyone in Catalonia knew THIAGO was a better player for Barcelona. I highly doubt their going to trust either Santos, rafinha, samper or roberto to play in significant games next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 People here really seeing the difficulty of how much better fit Cesc is to a direct side then Mata? Mata did not fit Mou system that goes beyond his defensive ability. I can see Cesc turning into a monster under Mou, his long balls and vision are one of the best in the world and it would be incredible to have that kinda player to turn counter. This team has a lot of work rate and Cesc understands team defensive concept very well, i am not worried about that side. Cesc does not fit Barca system, that is no shame because a lot of great players have had difficult time adjusting to theirs. it's an honor to have you on this forum Mr. EastwoodI've seen your old western movies alot of times, and i love them Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 you have no idea what you're talking about... this is borderline retarded. Its a team game, what if Messi's movement allows for Oscar to make the sort of pass that he normally tries but doesn't have a striker who understands it? It takes two, not one...Lol what if indeed. Just like you would have thought Matic dominating everywhere will ease some of the burden on Ramires and make him play better.But nothing is ever so simple, Oscar clearly has some problems when so many defenders are standing at the edge of their area. Eto'o and Schurrle are no Messi, but they have good movement and combined well with Hazard, but not Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 So, Barcelona going to sell Cesc after they sold Thiago.Even though Xavi is going to retire soon? When Cesc came to Barcelona and was linked to them the summer prior, everyone in Catalonia knew THIAGO was a better player for Barcelona. I highly doubt their going to trust either Santos, rafinha, samper or roberto to play in significant games next season. Ya, and the idea is to buy Koke... what's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 So, Barcelona going to sell Cesc after they sold Thiago.Even though Xavi is going to retire soon? When Cesc came to Barcelona and was linked to them the summer prior, everyone in Catalonia knew THIAGO was a better player for Barcelona. I highly doubt their going to trust either Santos, rafinha, samper or roberto to play in significant games next season. I think they want to get rid of him because they know he doesn't fit within the philosophy of Barcelona. He is a great player but like Mata and Luiz doesn't fit within the team's ideology. Plus they can get a big boost to their transfer kitty and wage bracket by off loading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Ya, and the idea is to buy Koke... what's the problem?Problem is, they don't have Koke now and he isn't guaranteed to go to Barcelona. With Costa being sold, TC going back to Chelsea and Luiz potentially coming, no way are they going to sell half the team in 1 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Lol what if indeed. Just like you would have thought Matic dominating everywhere will ease some of the burden on Ramires and make him play better.But nothing is ever so simple, Oscar clearly has some problems when so many defenders are standing at the edge of their area. Eto'o and Schurrle are no Messi, but they have good movement and combined well with Hazard, but not Oscar.Maybe Matic isn't as good as you think he is? Maybe Ramires isn't as bad as you think too?And to the rest of what you're rambling on about its a team game, Oscar has his issues but so too do many players. Its a team game and if you really don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. 100% having better players around you will make you a better player I thought that was elementary stuff for people that watch the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Problem is, they don't have Koke now and he isn't guaranteed to go to Barcelona. With Costa being sold, TC going back to Chelsea and Luiz potentially coming, no way are they going to sell half the team in 1 season. Perhaps they know something you don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think they want to get rid of him because they know he doesn't fit within the philosophy of Barcelona. He is a great player but like Mata and Luiz doesn't fit within the team's ideology. Plus they can get a big boost to their transfer kitty and wage bracket by off loading him.Its True. However, Barcelona's midfield wasn't great this year, which includes Cesc, Xavi and Iniesta. Sell Cesc, xavi retires, than your left with iniesta and busquets and la masia b players. Even if Koke comes, their still going to need another CM on their team. People said the same thing last summer with Cesc and he didn't move to United, even though United is an ideal setup for Cesc and his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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