🇪🇸 Cesc Fàbregas

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

You guys really amaze me, people forget how good Mata was, only 3 seasons ago we were crying out for his creativity and now all of a sudden because we some hw bought more attacking mid fielders you downgrade Mata's ability SMH, Its a fact Mata is one of the best play makers to ever don a Chelsea kit regardless of what Mourinho loyalists might think and just to show you a glimpse of what you are forgettin I will leave Mata's highlight video. I cant say Oscar can produce such high quality even if he tried to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiL0hMLTaxs

[1chelsea 864]

Am only going to be disappointed with the post that say am going to be disappointed that Fabregas is not a better driller than Mata, Mata pick a good pass have great cross in the box but like peace said Mata can dictate pace of the game which he usually dispatch the pass as soon as he get it. With other point mention as a false 9 a #10 and #8 I feel he improve the team couple with Diego you should watch out

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Yes, Fabregas isn't a better dribbler than Mata, but other than that, I mostly agree with Peace.

I'm not sure why people even compare Mata and Fabregas. They're both Spanish, they're both playmakers, but their similarities pretty much end there. Fabregas's style relies on different skills than Mata's. Fabregas is an outstanding passer. Mata isn't. There are very few playmakers out there that have better passing skills than Fabregas, actually. In that sense, he's a dying breed of playmakers. Current playmakers rely more on dribbling skills than outstanding passing. Fabregas is the opposite. His ability to pick a through pass is pretty much unrivaled. Even when he played at Arsenal, even when I hated the little shit's guts, his passing made go all Whoa, so ridiculous it is.

[Barbara 15,149]

Yes, Fabregas isn't a better dribbler than Mata, but other than that, I mostly agree with Peace.

I'm not sure why people even compare Mata and Fabregas. They're both Spanish, they're both playmakers, but their similarities pretty much end there. Fabregas's style relies on different skills than Mata's. Fabregas is an outstanding passer. Mata isn't. There are very few playmakers out there that have better passing skills than Fabregas. In that sense, he's a dying breed of playmakers. Current playmakers rely more on dribbling skills than outstanding passing. Fabregas is the opposite. His ability to pick a through pass is pretty much unrivaled. Even when he played at Arsenal, even when I hated the little shit's guts, his passing made go all Whoa, so ridiculous it is.

I only disagree slightly Mata isn't a great passer. He has a privileged and blessed vision and he's very intelligent. But yeah, he can't produce some of the passes Fàbregas does as if they were nothing.

And people refuting Peace's post - especially about the physicality - could please elaborate a convincing, factual, reasonable reason that will justify our more than poor results in the EPL while he was here (6th and 3rd - and the third must be taken into context for being 14 points behind the champion) if he was so amazing creating (if we had someone creating as much for us this season, I'm absolutely sure we'd be champions, why we weren't while he was then)? we've had this conversation so many times, but he was a big liability and he will continue to be to whatever English team he plays. He can only excel if he has a free role, and with his freedom comes a huge liability. I'm not taking away from him as a player. He's a great player, not suitable for English football at all. He's weak, slow, easily out-muscled and mostly everything else Peace pointed out. I agree with you guys he dribbles somewhat better than described by Peace, but how many times was he dispossessed while doing it? And leading to counters and even goals? How many times he was dispossessed, period, regardless of what he was attempting? The longest he kept the ball on his feet, the biggest the chance for him to be dispossessed. He worked better for us when he gave a quick pass, a dynamic 2-1 exchange with someone and a lot of his assists came from set-pieces. If he goes back to Spain - nearly the opposite of EPL in terms of style - I'm sure he'll flourish and his weaknesses will be easily overlooked because they won't detract his team much.

[zolayes 14,489]

this signing is one that has excited me the most in the last year ,, At Arsenal Fabregas was fantastic ,, Im hoping he will bring that form to US

[Special Juan 28,141]

Am I right in thinking he arrives at Cobham tomorrow?

[Daniel1980 1,425]

I only disagree slightly Mata isn't a great passer. He has a privileged and blessed vision and he's very intelligent. But yeah, he can't produce some of the passes Fàbregas do as if they were nothing.

Not saying Mata isn't a great passer. He's very good. His passing and vision was better than our other AMs.' But he isn't as good as Fabregas when it comes to passing. But then again, very few playmakers are.

Even Barcelona fans who hated Cesc's guts tended to admit that he was a much more decisive passer than Xaviniesta and that says a lot.

[Footballover 222]

Am I right in thinking he arrives at Cobham tomorrow?

That's right, along with Costa, Filipe Luis and others...

[Ze Mario 638]

The only thing i disagree with Pearce post is about Mata cant pick up passes with his weak foot which is completely wrong. His 1st touch is amazing, world class already. Yeah his left foot is golden but his right foot is pretty good as well (for example, his goal against Australia).

The rest of his post is true, but he just stated the things that Fabregas do better than Mata which is a bit unfair. Yes his dribbling is bit worse than Fab (only a bit) but his holding is pretty good. He knows what to do with the ball under high tense game. He rarely lost the ball while he's holding it, unless he do passing, but even WC playmaker such as Xavi couldnt do a 100% complete pass in 1 game.

And the thing about him couldnt survive in league like EPL and will survive in league like LaLiga is a big, like mountain joke. (sry mam ) Its like people are being hypnotized and forgot how good Mata was in EPL and he EVEN didnt need time to adapt!

He is good, world class already. He is simply not suited to Mourinho style, YES as simple as that. But some people trying their best to get inside Mourinho head and joking themselves.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

The only thing i disagree with Pearce post is about Mata cant pick up passes with his weak foot which is completely wrong. His 1st touch is amazing, world class already. Yeah his left foot is golden but his right foot is pretty good as well (for example, his goal against Australia).

The rest of his post is true, but he just stated the things that Fabregas do better than Mata which is a bit unfair. Yes his dribbling is bit worse than Fab (only a bit) but his holding is pretty good. He knows what to do with the ball under high tense game. He rarely lost the ball while he's holding it, unless he do passing, but even WC playmaker such as Xavi couldnt do a 100% complete pass in 1 game.

And the thing about him couldnt survive in league like EPL and will survive in league like LaLiga is a big, like mountain joke. (sry mam ) Its like people are being hypnotized and forgot how good Mata was in EPL and he EVEN didnt need time to adapt!

He is good, world class already. He is simply not suited to Mourinho style, YES as simple as that. But some people trying their best to get inside Mourinho head and joking themselves.

Agree with you totally, what I hate though is this stupid so called Mourinho style, I think its bullshit that a player of Mata's capabilities could not be accommodated into his palying style

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Mata surpasses Cesc in a number of ways - I would argue he is a better finisher, for instance, though Cesc is no slouch in front of goal. I think the argument here is that Cesc is the more competent all-round player, which will compliment the role demanded of him next season.

[Ze Mario 638]

Agree with you totally, what I hate though is this stupid so called Mourinho style, I think its bullshit that a player of Mata's capabilities could not be accommodated into his palying style

well, to fix the confusion, maybe i should change that into "Mata didnt fit under Mourinho". Under mou he chose Oscar over Mata in no10 position. Mata was not capable fulfill what Mou wants for his new position. Hence, mata left because of that. I think thats a pretty valid point

[Namika 922]

Fabregas is a better dribbler than Mata.

[iseah100 5,612]

Fabregas is a better dribbler than Mata.

Well then, there we have it.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Mata surpasses Cesc in a number of ways - I would argue he is a better finisher, for instance, though Cesc is no slouch in front of goal. I think the argument here is that Cesc is the more competent all-round player, which will compliment the role demanded of him next season.

Their finishing is pretty comparable: last season Mata 65%, Cesc 63%. They both have amazing shot accuracy for midfielders, better than our other AMs--better than even Costa, actually.

But yeah, I doubt skills like finishing were crucial for Jose. Cesc is more versatile and flexible, and that's probably what Jose finds lacking in Mata. And physically, he's also taller and bigger, less likely to be out-muscled.

[Polo7 3,496]

Luckily for us we have Hazard and Willian who are both great at dribbling. We just need someone to pick them out.

[bababoom 4,478]

Mata was never really good at dribbling though, that wasn't his game. Someone like Silva has it all, Vision, Close control, Dribbling etc he's a wonderful footballer.

The thing with Cesc is that he's more of a pass and move type player, especially when he's playing further up the pitch. Also the thing that sets him apart from both Juan and Silva IMO is that his long passing is just as good as his short. Juan and Silva both have excellent short passing i.e little through balls, but you hardly ever see them do a Pirlo-esque long rang pass from deep, where as Cesc does it all the time.

[iseah100 5,612]

Mata was never really good at dribbling though, that wasn't his game. Someone like Silva has it all, Vision, Close control, Dribbling etc he's a wonderful footballer.

The thing with Cesc is that he's more of a pass and move type player, especially when he's playing further up the pitch. Also the thing that sets him apart from both Juan and Silva IMO is that his long passing is just as good as his short. Juan and Silva both have excellent short passing i.e little through balls, but you hardly ever see them do a Pirlo-esque long rang pass from deep, where as Cesc does it all the time.

Not to mention Silva and Mata are both one footed.

[Dion 2,476]

I think I saw some people saying they don't see Fabregas being able to fill the deep-lying playmaker role well. Just take a look at this:

His long passing is that good. Many if not most of those passes didn't come from where you would expect a #10 to be, he is creating those chances from really deep. We just gotta have the smart runners for that to happen, this is one of the reasons why I think Schürrle would do better than Willian in that setup. If he can't play the #8/DLP/Regista role, nobody in the world but Pirlo can.

[Barbara 15,149]

The only thing i disagree with Pearce post is about Mata cant pick up passes with his weak foot which is completely wrong. His 1st touch is amazing, world class already. Yeah his left foot is golden but his right foot is pretty good as well (for example, his goal against Australia).

The rest of his post is true, but he just stated the things that Fabregas do better than Mata which is a bit unfair. Yes his dribbling is bit worse than Fab (only a bit) but his holding is pretty good. He knows what to do with the ball under high tense game. He rarely lost the ball while he's holding it, unless he do passing, but even WC playmaker such as Xavi couldnt do a 100% complete pass in 1 game.

And the thing about him couldnt survive in league like EPL and will survive in league like LaLiga is a big, like mountain joke. (sry mam ) Its like people are being hypnotized and forgot how good Mata was in EPL and he EVEN didnt need time to adapt!

He is good, world class already. He is simply not suited to Mourinho style, YES as simple as that. But some people trying their best to get inside Mourinho head and joking themselves.

But that's the thing with Mata. People so often only look what he offers and completely overlook what he costs, in that case it's very easy to say he was amazing.

He was amazing creating. And amazing exposing a whole team behind and around him when he was out-muscled, dispossessed or shoved aside by the big/strong guys that play everywhere in this league. The ideal player doesn't need to excel as much as he did creating if they don't offer the midfield to the opposition in a physical league such as English.

When I say he'd do much better in La Liga I don't mean creatively - it doesn't matter much for him in that sense - but I mean the liabilities and weaknesses of his game wouldn't be as much exposed because football in Spain still embraces the kind of player he is. But even football there is becoming more physical and more demanding. He's an endangered kind of player imo, at least in the short term I see players like him having less and less space despite his incredible ability and vision to create chances.

Nobody answered my question, so until someone does, that's my opinion. I'm willing to change it if I can be convinced otherwise. We had this conversation a thousand times in the forum since last year and I'm yet to find someone to explain how Mata didn't compromise us in the EPL with his free role if we were 6th and 14-point behind 3rd while he was here running the show. We were Mata-centered and we were a big flop, although a big flop with a maestro that created a lot.

I'm sorry, I'd rather us to have a less beautiful football if we're more competitive than have a maestro and be a big flop in what I consider the most important trophy we play for: Barclays Premier League. Of course, the perfect scenario would be a combination of both things, but if that's not possible, I'll pick 2013/14 Chelsea over the two previous seasons 15 times out of 10 and the biggest change was Mata (although one could also argue having a in-form JT also helped a lot).