generaldane 64 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I don't like the cunt and I honestly highly doubt I ever will but I will postpone my hate for the good of the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Mustafa 885 Posted July 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 2, 2014 I don't like the cunt and I honestly highly doubt I ever will but I will postpone my hate for the good of the clubYou're a lovely guy, you are Ainsley Harriott, jeronimo, iseah100 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAB 1,030 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I can't wait for pre-season to get a sample of what he can do for us. Going to reach a whole new level of "weird" though with this one wearing the blue shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 A lot of people have forgotten how good this lad was in the PL. He was one of the best in the PL, like a top 3 player. He's going to be immense for us. bababoom and seanptmiller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustafa 885 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 A lot of people have forgotten how good this lad was in the PL. He was one of the best in the PL, like a top 3 player. He's going to be immense for us.Can't be sure about that tho. I really hope he is but the circumstances are different here at Chelsea than they were at Arsenal. But I believe in his ability and think he will do just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Can't be sure about that tho. I really hope he is but the circumstances are different here at Chelsea than they were at Arsenal. But I believe in his ability and think he will do just fineValid concerns, but I honestly believe he's going to do very well here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 3, 2014 bababoom, iseah100, kellzfresh and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 What about the fact that he's slow? I thought we would play a fast agreesive high tempo game with a lot of pressing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 compared to Ander Herrera, who's better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 What about the fact that he's slow? I thought we would play a fast agreesive high tempo game with a lot of pressing?Don't need to be fast to play pressing, high tempo team. Just look at Atletico and Koke. Modric for Madrid isnt fast either.compared to Ander Herrera, who's better?Cesc. By miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Don't need to be fast to play pressing, high tempo team. Just look at Atletico and Koke. Modric for Madrid isnt fast either.Cesc. By miles.Yes but fabregas is like mata, can't defend.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 3, 2014 What about the fact that he's slow? I thought we would play a fast agreesive high tempo game with a lot of pressing?He really isn't as slow as some make out to be here. True he doesn't have blistering pace like a Ramires but he's got respectable speed. He's already used to the fast paced style of the PL. I wouldn't be too worried about that at all IMO. jeronimo, DYC., bababoom and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,908 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Through-balls. Exactly what a certain Diego Costa thrives on.This should be a fun season. xPetrCechx, The Skipper and yuvala 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 He really isn't as slow as some make out to be here. True he doesn't have blistering pace like a Ramires but he's got respectable speed. He's already used to the fast paced style of the PL. I wouldn't be too worried about that at all IMO.Yes but he can't defend, hes a bit lazy like Ozil. We got rid of kdb and mata because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yes but he can't defend, hes a bit lazy like Ozil. We got rid of kdb and mata because of that.Mourinho didn't buy him to come and defend - his defensive work isn't amazing but it's adequate, just like someone like Modric's is. Just to reiterate: Mourinho bought him. Mourinho also thinks Ozil is the best number 10 in the world - he's bought him because he wanted him and because he thinks he can perform in the role he'll put him in. Don't know why you're worrying about that. Bayern under JH also had players that aren't known for their pace in the midfield in Schweinsteiger and Kroos in his system but they still managed to implement a high press attacking system. It's a myth that you just need super fast players for something like that to work. iseah100, Spike, LAB and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Mourinho didn't buy him to come and defend - his defensive work isn't amazing but it's adequate, just like someone like Modric's is. Just to reiterate: Mourinho bought him. Mourinho also thinks Ozil is the best number 10 in the world - he's bought him because he wanted him and because he thinks he can perform in the role he'll put him in. Don't know why you're worrying about that. Bayern under JH also had players that aren't known for their pace in the midfield in Schweinsteiger and Kroos in his system but they still managed to implement a high press attacking system. It's a myth that you just need super fast players for something like that to work.Yes but it doesn't make sense if he has the same issue that mata and kbd had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yes but it doesn't make sense if he has the same issue that mata and kbd had.But he isn't coming to perform the same role as Mata or KDB. IMO he's not coming to play as a number 10 (first and foremost) or as a right winger...He's coming to aid in something we lacked big time last season - a proper midfield metronome from deep that can distribute the ball, put in through balls from deep against tough sides that need to be broken down. Mata and KDB are incapable of doing that (from deeper anyway) - they can't play deeper in midfield (or haven't played there anywhere near as consistently as Fabregas in KDB's case). Mata or KDB were never going to play in the pivot for us but Fabregas certainly will, quite a lot too IMO. Tomo, yuvala, magic weeds and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 He really isn't as slow as some make out to be here. True he doesn't have blistering pace like a Ramires but he's got respectable speed.He's already used to the fast paced style of the PL. I wouldn't be too worried about that at all IMO.This. In fact on the ball he is very good at running at speed with the ball and creating a chance or scoring a goal. You just have to look at clips of his days at Arsenal to know that he is no slouch. I will name a few that strike out the most and there are more. When Arsenal beat Milan 2-0 at the San Siro a few years ago there is a perfect example of him using his ability and acceleration on the ball. He is not blessed with speed but he is very effective when running with the ball. Also when Arsenal battered Tottenham 3-0 I think it was a few years ago, Fabregas must have run past around 4 players from near the half way line and ended up scoring a fantastic goal.His lack of pace is nothing to worry about as you stated. In fact he does not have a lack of pace. He just is not blessed with blistering pace as you said. I think people will be surprised with how effective he is while running at speed. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Mata wasn't just let go due to his defensive work rate. Mata showed more effort defensively than Hazard. Jose preferred Oscar as the starter; Mata wasn't happy just being the second option and was let go. Similarly, I think if we had Ozil and Oscar became 2nd choice, he'd probably want out and Chelsea would grant him his wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cesc is no defensive wonder, and that's why a 4-3-3 would be ideal. In a three-man midfield you don't need all of them to be aces defending. Matic is a lion and Oscar is as annoying as they get pressing and tackling his opponents. Their presence alone takes off a lot of pressure and need for Cesc to be a great defender. I do have a slight worry though if we continue to play 4-2-3-1 - although even then Oscar will help him.What he comes to add mostly is quality and someone that can dictate the tempo, provide through-balls and long passes with quality and good accuracy, mobility and when we face those teams parking the bus one more pair of eyes and legs to create us chances. We already have an upgrade to the strikers, but if you don't have the guys that will provide them the chances - especially the kind of Costa and Lukaku (who can't create much by themselves) - you need as many midfielders feeding them. That's why Cesc is coming, to fill our midfield, to provide alternatives, to win us the midfield and feed our attackers - especially Costa and Schürrle with fast thinking, good vision that result in key passes. Oscar and Matic are there to provide defensive cover and help and again, Cesc isn't useless marking and pressing. As many insisted on comparing Mata (makes no sense in my head as I don't see him being here to be our #10 except on occasion), he's faster, stronger, more annoying to opponents and marks and presses better. He's used to a deep position, even if he may prefer a more advanced one. Perfect fit imo. mannyfreshh, Daniel1980, bababoom and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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