Toni Kroos

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Bollocks mate, he might lack pace, but he isn't lazy. Even Guardiola and Low admited he is a completely new player in terms of defensive dutties. He defends and attacks with the same rate and the player himself said that Guardiola came to him and said: "The better you get, the more defensive you play."

Low even said that Kroos will be used as one of the two defensive midfielders for Germany this summer.

Please tell me you're not using Pep's words as an indication for someones ability to play in Mourinho's counter attacking system?

Kroos played DM under Jupp too doesn't mean he is effective in that role there. The teams you mentioned are built on attacking, this team is built on defense leading to attacking.

Not saying I wouldn't like to be proven wrong but I HIGHLY doubt Mourinho sanctions a big money move for Kroos to play in the pivot.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

So what you are saying is that Mourinho wants a player like Ramires or Oscar in central midfield, a player who covers every blade of grass on the field.

Mourinho wants a player who can defend and also get forward and score. Its been true about every team he's been at.... You have to work hard in defense and then he'll give you the freedom to attack.

[LAM09 6,744]

He has the quality, but his work rate is questionable.

[iseah100 5,612]

Koke and Pogba defensively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kroos

[Safir Zawad 54]

Please tell me you're not using Pep's words as an indication for someones ability to play in Mourinho's counter attacking system?

Kroos played DM under Jupp too doesn't mean he is effective in that role there. The teams you mentioned are built on attacking, this team is built on defense leading to attacking.

Not saying I wouldn't like to be proven wrong but I HIGHLY doubt Mourinho sanctions a big money move for Kroos to play in the pivot.

What bout Kroos on a free transfer next year?

[Safir Zawad 54]

Koke and Pogba defensively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kroos

Juve will never let Pogba go. Koke would be a great addition to the squad.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Kroos has never defended in his life ? Is that a joke ? The man played sometimes the first CM in the Guardiola system this year. CL semi 11-12, go look at Kroos perfomance against Real Madrid, thanks to him, Bayern took the advantage in midfield because Ozil (A MOURINHO MIDFIELDER) wasn't capable of putting pressure on Schweini and Gustavo, he isolated Xabi by himself too (like Oscar did on Pirlo).

Kroos is a better player than Oscar right now, nobody in this world can deny that, nobody. He's better than him in practically everything but Oscar is far from his best.

None of those teams have been noted as defensive teams AT ALL! Kroos, no matter what you'd like to think about his defensive contributions, will never play in the pivot for a Jose Mourinho team. Unless of course he does a complete 180 and doesn't care about team defense.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

What bout Kroos on a free transfer next year?

If our problems in the midfield aren't already solved by end of this summer I'm gonna have to do something drastic.

Kroos is not a Jose type player, Bayern won't let him go on a free.

[Safir Zawad 54]

If our problems in the midfield aren't already solved by end of this summer I'm gonna have to do something drastic.

Kroos is not a Jose type player, Bayern won't let him go on a free.

Well Bayern have to react quickly. Either they offer Kroos a better contract or sell him to another club.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Well Bayern have to react quickly. Either they offer Kroos a better contract or sell him to another club.

I have a strong feeling he'll either sign an extension or will be moved towards the end of the window, I doubt Chelsea will be a likely destination though... I wouldn't mind him!

[Safir Zawad 54]

I have a strong feeling he'll either sign an extension or will be moved towards the end of the window, I doubt Chelsea will be a likely destination though... I wouldn't mind him!

Jose has managed to convert Hazard into a player who contributes both in defence and offence. He can do the same with Kroos if he comes to Chelsea

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Please tell me you're not using Pep's words as an indication for someones ability to play in Mourinho's counter attacking system?

Kroos played DM under Jupp too doesn't mean he is effective in that role there. The teams you mentioned are built on attacking, this team is built on defense leading to attacking.

Not saying I wouldn't like to be proven wrong but I HIGHLY doubt Mourinho sanctions a big money move for Kroos to play in the pivot.

No, I'm just telling you what German media and Low (not the best coach out there, I agree) think about him and his transformation in the last two years.

He really is a new player, a better player defensively and I don't think you have to refer only to this Guardiola team when you talk about him. Have you forgot about him under Jupp?! That wasn't a possesion-based team, they were also defending in numbers and counter-attacking everytime when they had the opportunity. And Kroos has played as a "10" for that team, but also as a deep-lying playmaker.

[jmarlow 458]

You said you watch Kroos week-in, week-out, but you really forgot his performances under Jupp... And that was a similar team to Chelsea, only with much better players and a much better coach. Also with a counter-attacking plan in its philosophy where Kroos was the number 10!

Kroos at 22, under Jupp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar at 22.

The fact that you would compare us from last season to Jupp's Bayern team is just laughable! also Toni Kroos's role in that Bayern team was very very different to Oscar's role!

2012/13 season where Kroos played more as a number 10 got 9 goals and 8 Assists. Oscar in the same season played out of position on the right wing in his first season in the a new team, a new league and a new country at such a young age and got 10 goals and 6 assists.

but yeah according to you Kroos is way better right?

and at the age of 24 Kroos hasn't really kicked on much at all! there hasn't been a massive improvement in his game in the last few years! Kroos is almost 2 years older then Oscar and imo Oscar is already the better player!

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

No, I'm just telling you what German media and Low (not the best coach out there, I agree) think about him and his transformation in the last two years.

He really is a new player, a better player defensively and I don't think you have to refer only to this Guardiola team when you talk about him. Have you forgot about him under Jupp?! That wasn't a possesion-based team, they were also defending in numbers and counter-attacking everytime when they had the opportunity. And Kroos has played as a "10" for that team, but also as a deep-lying playmaker.

I'm sure he's gotten better just not enough to the point where we make a bid for him to play in the pivot. Can't see Jose doing that, this team is built on power and pace, Kroos offers little in that regard and isn't exactly a defensive dynamo... I'd be SHOCKED if Jose sanctioned that move.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I'm sure he's gotten better just not enough to the point where we make a bid for him to play in the pivot. Can't see Jose doing that, this team is built on power and pace, Kroos offers little in that regard and isn't exactly a defensive dynamo... I'd be SHOCKED if Jose sanctioned that move.

But who said something about the pivot?! Every rumour out there goes by saying that Mourinho is interested in him for the "10" role, to replace Oscar, not for playing him in the pivot. He has other targets there.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

But who said something about the pivot?! Every rumour out there goes by saying that Mourinho is interested in him for the "10" role, to replace Oscar, not for playing him in the pivot. He has other targets there.

Interesting. So we're replacing a guy who is still on the roster? My bullshit detector is going off. Sounds more plausible that someone from Kroos' camp is trying to drum up ridiculous rumours to get him a new deal.

[Safir Zawad 54]

Interesting. So we're replacing a guy who is still on the roster? My bullshit detector is going off. Sounds more plausible that someone from Kroos' camp is trying to drum up ridiculous rumours to get him a new deal.

I think we should not buy a new midfielder as our club is heavily stocked in that department.

Van Ginkel hopefully has an injury free season so we can get to see more of him.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Interesting. So we're replacing a guy who is still on the roster? My bullshit detector is going off. Sounds more plausible that someone from Kroos' camp is trying to drum up ridiculous rumours to get him a new deal.

The United drama and all that Moyes scouting should have gotten him a new contract.

Kroos is on a €3.5 per annum contract. He wants it dubbled. Apparently Bayern have made it clear that €5m per annum will be that last offer he will get. In response, Chelsea said "wages not a problem" should he decide to leave.

I'm also a journalist here in Romania (I know, Romania, but at least we have the best Journalism and Mass Comunication College in Eastern Europe) and rumours don't come out of nothing. Now, if Mourinho will bid for him or not, that's another topic. The beauty of silly season!