manpe 10,861 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Fucks sake really?Already slating him!You guys are NOT Chelsea supporters! Give the lad a fucking chance!!! At least 1 year!!!The funny(sad) thing is that those are the same people criticizing the club for not giving chances to youngsters. Muzchap, Mohamed Ali and TorontoChelsea 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So far, Salah should not be judged, too early in my opinion.He needs to play much more than 35 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Baffles me how premature some are to judge a player on a handful of minutes. Stingray and zolayes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 People should be really careful with their expectations.For instance:Salah. Do you really expect Salah, a player who had total of 0 assists in 28 Swiss League and Champions league games this season with his pace and all the space he could have exploited thanks to that, to rock the Premier League with his passes?Hardly, goals are more likely.Maybe his final ball isn't poor but 0 assists in nearly 30 games for a winger I would tend to say it is but I suppose I haven't seen much of him other than the Europa League and Champions League as well as some Olympics games for Egypt but that was close to 2 years ago. Still though I think its wrong to blame him for the City match, he came on for a bit and couldn't get into the game as well as most of our team.Hes a young lad, Mourinho will mold him into the player he wants him to be and I'm certain he'll be a very good one.Salah actually has 4 assists this season - 3 in 18 league appearances for Basel and 1 in the Champions League.Swiss League:Streller's goal vs Lausanne Sport (2-0)Xhaka's goal vs St. Gallen (1-1)Streller's goal vs FC Sion (3-1)Champions League:Sio's goal vs Ludogorets Razgrad (4-2)That Champions League assist came in the qualifying rounds though and from the highlights, not 100% sure if it was Salah who assisted the goal but it look like him. Otherwise, he definitely has those league assists! Mohamed Ali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 lets judge him when he plays when the entire team is playing good and starts in his regular position. I like his pace and his ability to attack space but I have doubts about his technical ability and decision making in the final 3rd(but this can improve especialy playing with elite players). If hes good enough great; if not, hes 21 and we would get money back in resale and have back up options like traore,moses etc..He's scored against us a few times he did well both times He will come good! zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Salah actually has 4 assists this season - 3 in 18 league appearances for Basel and 1 in the Champions League.Swiss League:Streller's goal vs Lausanne Sport (2-0)Xhaka's goal vs St. Gallen (1-1)Streller's goal vs FC Sion (3-1)Champions League:Sio's goal vs Ludogorets Razgrad (4-2)That Champions League assist came in the qualifying rounds though and from the highlights, not 100% sure if it was Salah who assisted the goal but it look like him. Otherwise, he definitely has those league assists!I gues I was wrong but I didn't do it on purpose.I was fooled by goal com site. http://www.goal.com/en/people/egypt/53618/mohamed-salahWhen I saw those stats I found it hard to believe so I tried to find Swiss League stats. I didn't make it.Then I left to Champions League site. http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/clubs/player=250052469/index.htmlThere he doesn't have assists just 5 goals like goal com showed.So I believed those stats were true. I find that relieving because it didn't made sense to me him not having assists with that pace.However it's still pretty weak league compared to Premier League and pretty weak clubs therefore my point remains the same : nobody should expect much of him this season and he is better goal scorer than passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I gues I was wrong but I didn't do it on purpose.I was fooled by goal com site. http://www.goal.com/en/people/egypt/53618/mohamed-salahWhen I saw those stats I found it hard to believe so I tried to find Swiss League stats. I didn't make it.Then I left to Champions League site. http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/clubs/player=250052469/index.htmlThere he doesn't have assists just 5 goals like goal com showed.So I believed those stats were true. I find that relieving because it didn't made sense to me him not having assists with that pace.However it's still pretty weak league compared to Premier League and pretty weak clubs therefore my point remains the same : nobody should expect much of him this season and he is better goal scorer than passer.No worries. It's normal for sites not to have the full statistics record of players if they are playing in the lesser known league like the Swiss league, for instance, and it's easier for them to record down goals than say assists. Only have to check the score results and not watch the highlights/matches to know. Lazy bastards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Who knew about Willian when he was 21? I cant believe your shooting this kid down already. After not even 90 minutes. Not shooting him down. I believe he should stay and try to show what he can do but from what I have seen, I am not sure the Preimer League is the right stage for him. He should play in La Liga, would suit him better and also, Willian right now is at his best 25 almost 26 and I don't see him as a world-class player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signed 47 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Chelsea lost the game, but city deserved the win in every aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Tc logic - fine to have a dig at rambo and mikel but dare anyone say anything abour the new guy.Ramires and Mikel have played hundreds of games for us. The criticisms against them are based on things they have done dozens and dozens of times.Salah is new to the club, new to the team, new to the manager and new to this country. He hasn't even started a game yet so quite how anyone can judge him is beyond me. He's a young player, bought for the future and he needs the support of the fans. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWEG 1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 From my experience, transfermarkt.com is the most reliable website when it comes to goals/assists and minutes played etc. and it says Salah has 6 assists this season for club only here is his profile on the website http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/mohamed-salah/profil/spieler_148455.html Mohammed Seif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 From my experience, transfermarkt.com is the most reliable website when it comes to goals/assists and minutes played etc. and it says Salah has 6 assists this season for club only here is his profile on the website http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/mohamed-salah/profil/spieler_148455.htmlActually, it's only 3 in the league. They were rather 'generous' in giving the other 2 where one - in the 2-1 away win vs Lausanne - was when his shot cannoned off the post, hit the GK's back and went into the net for a Basel goal while the other - in Basel's 4-1 home win vs FC Thun - saw his pass to Andrist who then shot first time but saw it saved by the keeper before managing to score on the second attempt after the ball fell back to him from the save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ramires and Mikel have played hundreds of games for us. The criticisms against them are based on things they have done dozens and dozens of times.Salah is new to the club, new to the team, new to the manager and new to this country. He hasn't even started a game yet so quite how anyone can judge him is beyond me. He's a young player, bought for the future and he needs the support of the fans.Ramires had been BRILLIANT for us in the firat 3months. I still remember the meltdown here before the pool match when rambo got suspended. Mikel is a different issue altogether. Anyways my point was that salah was deemed ready enough and good enough by jose to replace etoo ahead of both torres and schurrle. And he was poor. Simplt can't remember one thing that he did that was good.Salah can't hide bejind the young player argument. We have EH who is 23, oscar 22, willian 25, schurrle 23. Salah is 21. Barely much difference. Yes, he does need time. I don't argue on that, and yes I did go ovwrboard in critisizing him, rather than mou who chose to put salah in the deep end of the pool espexiallt when he had good enough options in schurrle and torres or even lamps who could have helped us get settled in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ramires had been BRILLIANT for us in the firat 3months. I still remember the meltdown here before the pool match when rambo got suspended. Mikel is a different issue altogether.Yet the criticisms always come down to the same exact point - his quality on the ball and to a lesser extent his footballing IQ.Salah can't hide bejind the young player argument. We have EH who is 23, oscar 22, willian 25, schurrle 23. Salah is 21. Barely much difference.Oscar has been inconsistent. Hazard has been inconsistent. Willian is four years older. Schurrle has barely featured in the last few months. I don't see these players' performances as any reason for criticising Salah. In fact I defended Hazard earlier in the season from people saying he wasn't performing well and my response was to give him time because he's still young. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yet the criticisms always come down to the same exact point - his quality on the ball and to a lesser extent his footballing IQ.Oscar has been inconsistent. Hazard has been inconsistent. Willian is four years older. Schurrle has barely featured in the last few months. I don't see these players' performances as any reason for criticising Salah. In fact I defended Hazard earlier in the season from people saying he wasn't performing well and my response was to give him time because he's still young.More often than not rambo makes it up with his energy, stamina, workrate and hia HEART. Precisely my point. We are expecting to be PL winners (despite of what jose says), and we have a hopelesly yiung squad. This is the business end of the season, where salah or any1 for that matter is not goin to get any TIME. Each of the 12 PL games will be mega-important, each of the CL game would be as importabt and even thw FA cup games havr been so.Anyways as I said before, I might have been too xritical of him before but that does not change the fact that he should not have been on rhe pitch for better subs in schurrle and torres and also that he was poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Maybe he'll be good, maybe he won't, Way too early to tell either way. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 More often than not rambo makes it up with his energy, stamina, workrate and hia HEART.Precisely my point. We are expecting to be PL winners (despite of what jose says), and we have a hopelesly yiung squad. This is the business end of the season, where salah or any1 for that matter is not goin to get any TIME. Each of the 12 PL games will be mega-important, each of the CL game would be as importabt and even thw FA cup games havr been so.Anyways as I said before, I might have been too xritical of him before but that does not change the fact that he should not have been on rhe pitch for better subs in schurrle and torres and also that he was poor.With all due respect to your opinion, everyone was poor including the star of the team Hazard. That is ok because it happens from time to time. In addition to this City were in a better form and forced their game on to us. If Schurrle was in or not it would have made no difference. I also think the reason Mourinho put Salah in was because he believes Salah was more ready or perhaps more useful at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 With all due respect to your opinion, everyone was poor including the star of the team Hazard. That is ok because it happens from time to time. In addition to this City were in a better form and forced their game on to us. If Schurrle was in or not it would have made no difference. I also think the reason Mourinho put Salah in was because he believes Salah was more ready or perhaps more useful at this time.We were 1-0 down at HT. Plus we had a hopeless first half. In such "big games", after getting spanked for 45minutes, u expect the other big team to show some character. The coach normally would give the hair dryer treatment or somethinf else, plus make a change, and that change which was supposed to be the catalyst for the sexond half was salah, but unfortunately that was a DUD.Sexondly, read my previous post, if salah was DEEMED to be a better option than torres and schurrle ( which makes him better than our 4th choice AM and 2nd choice ST) then these "new guy" excuses shiuld not be put forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 or any other playerWe were 1-0 down at HT. Plus we had a hopeless first half. In such "big games", after getting spanked for 45minutes, u expect the other big team to show some character. The coach normally would give the hair dryer treatment or somethinf else, plus make a change, and that change which was supposed to be the catalyst for the sexond half was salah, but unfortunately that was a DUD.Sexondly, read my previous post, if salah was DEEMED to be a better option than torres and schurrle ( which makes him better than our 4th choice AM and 2nd choice ST) then these "new guy" excuses shiuld not be put forth.Torres came in but I hardly call his performance a catalystic one! I think you are misreading the game. We lost our match tactically, not because of an individual player. I doubt if Messi came in any difference would have hapened. Yaya controlled the middfield battle very well. We defended tooooo deep. Hazard had no support from the middfield, neither did Salah or Eto or any other player. You can debate tactics or team freshness but certainly not a performance of a single player or a decision on a single sub. What about the rest of the subs? Did any of those make a "catalystic" change? NOPE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Torres came in but I hardly call his performance a catalystic one! I think you are misreading the game. We lost our match tactically, not because of an individual player. I doubt if Messi came in any difference would have hapened. Yaya controlled the middfield battle very well. We defended tooooo deep. Hazard had no support from the middfield, neither did Salah or Eto or any other player. You can debate tactics or team freshness but certainly not a performance of a single player or a decision on a single sub. What about the rest of the subs? Did any of those make a "catalystic" change? NOPE.No but cos by then the match had already been lost. Look at oscar, he actually has a good 20 minutes.infact,I dont think I am misreading the game at all. We wrre better in the first half than in the second half. The fact tjat jose made a sub at HT goes on to show that I am readong the game right. While salah is not the only one to blame, their is mo denying that his sub was a pivotal point in the game. And instead of making the game, it led more towards breaking it. We lost our pressing from the top, we lost etoo's hold up pkay, we lost any semblance of a comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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