Closed Basel v Chelsea

[didierforever 7,349]

In my eyes 4-3-3 is our best tactical formation and we played it with great success on the weekend.

we played a different version of 4-3-3. it was more like

---------cech-----------

-------GC---JT---azpi---

---iva-------------------

-----rambo--mikel--lamps----

-----------oscar-------hazard---

----------etoo---------------

with iva still providing the width on the right, rambo covering a hell lot of ground between right and center. oscar still being mainly on the left while hazard on the left and sometimes interchanging the wings. one thing is for sure, oscar will be the no.10 for jose, i have no doubt about it. hazard is another forward/winger who play every important game. so the point is where does mata play even in the 4-3-3, i dont think jose wants to make a CM out of oscar, no way.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

we played a different version of 4-3-3. it was more like

---------cech-----------

-------GC---JT---azpi---

---iva-------------------

-----rambo--mikel--lamps----

-----------oscar-------hazard---

----------etoo---------------

with iva still providing the width on the right, rambo covering a hell lot of ground between right and center. oscar still being mainly on the left while hazard on the left and sometimes interchanging the wings. one thing is for sure, oscar will be the no.10 for jose, i have no doubt about it. hazard is another forward/winger who play every important game. so the point is where does mata play even in the 4-3-3, i dont think jose wants to make a CM out of oscar, no way.

I covered this in previous posts with Barbara. You can agree or disagree, I think Mata can play there and be highly effective too. He's a fantastic player seems some of you are forgetting that because he isn't playing.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I covered this in previous posts with Barbara. You can agree or disagree, I think Mata can play there and be highly effective too. He's a fantastic player seems some of you are forgetting that because he isn't playing.

No-one is forgetting that.

What a lot of people forget is just how bad we looked at times last season and how Mata disappeared in games. Only at this club could a guy set the world alight like Oscar has and people still bitch about their favourite not getting game time.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

No-one is forgetting that.

What a lot of people forget is just how bad we looked at times last season and how Mata disappeared in games. Only at this club could a guy set the world alight like Oscar has and people still bitch about their favourite not getting game time.

The same can be said for any player in our team... The reason Mata was our two-time player of the year is because he was our most consistent performer. BTW my favourite player is Oscar! I absolutely LOVE HIM. This is about finding a way to incorporate our best players.

Its badge before names for me, 100%

[didierforever 7,349]

I covered this in previous posts with Barbara. You can agree or disagree, I think Mata can play there and be highly effective too. He's a fantastic player seems some of you are forgetting that because he isn't playing.

mata IS a fantastic player. no one is doubting that. any1 who does will get there ears boxed in by me. but he is also not the player we need on the wings (imo). mata will have his time. oscar is playing some amazin football at the moment but like with any player he will have a rough period or god forbid, an injury. this is a long season. so far 12 games in PL (less than 1/3rd of the total), have been played. there are 26 more to go, about 10 cup games, and hopefully 9 more CL games to go (including today). so a large part of the season is left and mata will get his chances.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

rest ivanoic and play azpi as the right back.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The same can be said for any player in our team... The reason Mata was our two-time player of the year is because he was our most consistent performer. BTW my favourite player is Oscar! I absolutely LOVE HIM. This is about finding a way to incorporate our best players.

Its badge before names for me, 100%

He wasn't actually that consistent. In fact his stats were rather inconsistent at times, but the reason he was player of the year is because he was the spark of magic at times when we were broadly speaking, shit.

Personally I think you can win cups relying on moments of magic from someone like Mata, but leagues are won by teams and I'd rather build the best Chelsea team than the best team that somehow shoehorns Mata into it.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

mata IS a fantastic player. no one is doubting that. any1 who does will get there ears boxed in by me. but he is also not the player we need on the wings (imo). mata will have his time. oscar is playing some amazin football at the moment but like with any player he will have a rough period or god forbid, an injury. this is a long season. so far 12 games in PL (less than 1/3rd of the total), have been played. there are 26 more to go, about 10 cup games, and hopefully 9 more CL games to go (including today). so a large part of the season is left and mata will get his chances.

You're not telling me anything I don't know, I know there are a lot of games. This is about getting the best out of our best players. To me if you play Mata on the right with Oscar in Frank's role in a 4-3-3 we would be a very dangerous team... Just my opinion not based on anything I've seen on the pitch since we haven't done it

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

He wasn't actually that consistent. In fact his stats were rather inconsistent at times, but the reason he was player of the year is because he was the spark of magic at times when we were broadly speaking, shit.

Personally I think you can win cups relying on moments of magic from someone like Mata, but leagues are won by teams and I'd rather build the best Chelsea team than the best team that somehow shoehorns Mata into it.

You are kidding yourself dude... 18 goals 35 assists. Those stats are otherworldly.

Edit: Squads win leagues not individual players.

[The only place to be 11,313]

You are kidding yourself dude... 18 goals 35 assists. Those stats are otherworldly.

His stats of 12 goals and 12 assists in the league last season were fantastic, but he was also a little streaky at times. Don't get me wrong, I think he was great for us in that time but I can also remember occasions when he'd be anonymous and the link between the pivot and the attack simply wasn't there.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

His stats of 12 goals and 12 assists in the league last season were fantastic, but he was also a little streaky at times. Don't get me wrong, I think he was great for us in that time but I can also remember occasions when he'd be anonymous and the link between the pivot and the attack simply wasn't there.

So who last year or the year before would you say was more consistent than Mata?

[Thendo 1,088]

Would like to see something like this tonight:

Cech

Iva Cahill JT Cole( if fit )

Mikel

Rami Lamps/Oscar

Mata Schurrle

Torres

[didierforever 7,349]

You're not telling me anything I don't know, I know there are a lot of games. This is about getting the best out of our best players. To me if you play Mata on the right with Oscar in Frank's role in a 4-3-3 we would be a very dangerous team... Just my opinion not based on anything I've seen on the pitch since we haven't done it

and u r telling me a story full of ifs. our squad has not had the perfect starts but if u take out newcastle and wba, we were really starting to gel in and start to look like a team. there is no need to make another playbook unless this present become useless.

[The only place to be 11,313]

So who last year or the year before would you say was more consistent than Mata?

I don't know if anyone was, but that's not the point I'm arguing so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

and u r telling me a story full of ifs. our squad has not had the perfect starts but if u take out newcastle and wba, we were really starting to gel in and start to look like a team. there is no need to make another playbook unless this present become useless.

buddy, West Ham we played 4-3-3. Its a formation I feel is our best, can we stop going around the mulberry bush now?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

buddy, West Ham we played 4-3-3. Its a formation I feel is our best, can we stop going around the mulberry bush now?

wasn't an exact 4-3-3. Was still a 4-2-3-1 with a three player rotating profile.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I don't know if anyone was, but that's not the point I'm arguing so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

I brought it up because you said he disappeared in games and how bad he looked. You can say that about virtually every player on our squad the fact is Mata was our most consistent.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

wasn't an exact 4-3-3. Was still a 4-2-3-1 with a three player rotating profile.

It was more 4-3-3 than 4-2-3-1.... Look at the heat zones. Why are we splitting hairs people? Football is a fluid game!