haranr 485 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Everyone needs to understand the the Ballon Dor has changed since 2010 and its not who had a better season its about who is a better more techniquel more skillful player. That's why UEFA came up with Player of the year in Europe in 2010, to award those who may not be the best in the world but had a better season. Get this and stop arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 OK i thought u understood that. Ballon Dor goes to who performed better (personal performance, the player that has more ability more techniquel etc not regarding if his team won a lot of trophies' just his own performance how good he is. ofcourse winning trophies has an effect but its really low in difference to the player of europe.) Ballon Dor has changed since 2010 and that's why messi keeps on winning it even though he and his team didn't perform so well but he keeps on showing he is the best footballer on earth. The player of the year in europe was created in 2010 to give an award for those who deserved it more because they are very good personaly and had a great season with their team winning trophies etc. Facts support what I claim.Everyone needs to understand the the Ballon Dor has changed since 2010 and its not who had a better season its about who is a better more techniquel more skillful player. That's why UEFA came up with Player of the year in Europe in 2010, to award those who may not be the best in the world but had a better season. Get this and stop arguing. This is just going beyond pathetic.I'm not sure you even have the slightest understanding or clue of these awards. The only thing that changed with this award was the merging of France Football's Ballon d'or and FIFA World Player of the Year to form FIFA Ballon d'or award. Otherwise, what the award is all about hasn't changed. It's about who have performed the best in the previous year(!), like didierforever has stated, not all this nonsense you spouted about who has the technical ability, skills etc.Also, like I mentioned previously, are you seriously that passive or even ignorant to think that just because Messi has won the last 3 years' Ballon d'or that you think the award is all about being the better footballer as opposed to who actually performed better?! I don't attempt to be mean or anything but anyone that watches football with half a brain can tell that some of those Ballon d'or awards Messi won were down to bias votings and/or even just for commercialization!The UEFA Best Player in Europe is no different to what FIFA Ballon d'or is either. They are practically the same awards that is given to the player that performs best or amongst the best in the previous year/season. The only difference between the two is one award is given by UEFA and the other FIFA. The former created its own award in 2011 because Platini apparently wants to revive the spirit of the old European Footballer of the Year award when it reality, it feels nothing more than an award that was created for commercial interests!Then again after all this, won't be surprised one bit if you continue to be selective and think you know it all...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This is just going beyond pathetic.I'm not sure you even have the slightest understanding or clue of these awards. The only thing that changed with this award was the merging of France Football's Ballon d'or and FIFA World Player of the Year to form FIFA Ballon d'or award. Otherwise, what the award is all about hasn't changed. It's about who have performed the best in the previous year(!), like didierforever has stated, not all this nonsense you spouted about who has the technical ability, skills etc.Also, like I mentioned previously, are you seriously that passive or even ignorant to think that just because Messi has won the last 3 years' Ballon d'or that you think the award is all about being the better footballer as opposed to who actually performed better?! I don't attempt to be mean or anything but anyone that watches football with half a brain can tell that some of those Ballon d'or awards Messi won were down to bias votings and/or even just for commercialization!The UEFA Best Player in Europe is no different to what FIFA Ballon d'or is either. They are practically the same awards that is given to the player that performs best or amongst the best in the previous year/season. The only difference between the two is one award is given by UEFA and the other FIFA. The former created its own award in 2011 because Platini apparently wants to revive the spirit of the old European Footballer of the Year award when it reality, it feels nothing more than an award that was created for commercial interests!Then again after all this, won't be surprised one bit if you continue to be selective and think you know it all......I think that since 2010 the Ballon Dor goes for the best player in the world even if he hasn't had the best season ( winning trophies etc) you can't say I am wrong cuz you have no proff. I look at the facts. Messi may have won it unfairly maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think that since 2010 the Ballon Dor goes for the best player in the world even if he hasn't had the best season ( winning trophies etc) you can't say I am wrong cuz you have no proff. I look at the facts. Messi may have won it unfairly maybe not.I will not talk about fifa conspiracy theory bla2. But this kind of event is about honoring the best performer. Hazard was just so2 last year, mata completely outperformed him by miles. But hazard game is much flashier that is why he will get more vote in this kind of event. In term of messi, I think there were a few years where I think other players deserved the trophy more than messi even though he was performing at crazy high level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think that since 2010 the Ballon Dor goes for the best player in the world even if he hasn't had the best season ( winning trophies etc) you can't say I am wrong cuz you have no proff. I look at the facts. Messi may have won it unfairly maybe not.No proof?! And there you go again with disregarding the facts thrown at you about what those awards are about and then claim what you say or so called look at is the truth. Anyway, like I said before, what a bloody waste of time...Have a good day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I dont even understand this argument... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 If Neymar is there, why should Hazard not be? Everyone knows he's going to be the next big thing in football.So? That has nothing to do with that list...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 So? That has nothing to do with that list...lolNeither then with Neymar, lol. Point proven: he said : if Neymar is there, why not Hazard. He didn't say: Hazard needs to be up there. Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott 2,732 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think that since 2010 the Ballon Dor goes for the best player in the world even if he hasn't had the best season ( winning trophies etc) you can't say I am wrong cuz you have no proff. I look at the facts. Messi may have won it unfairly maybe not.Balon d'Or is shit anyways. The latest Blatter interview tells you everything you should know about it. But go on sonny, keep defending it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I'd give it to Swienstieger personally. Most consistent and complete central midfielder around ATM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kaplan- 410 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I have a confession to make. As a kid I used to support Nejmeh Club.This is totally uncalled for and has gotten beyond tedious. I can't understand how you and many others can keep saying things like that towards fellow Chelsea fans just because you disagree with them about something. I'd hate to see you debate with an opposition fan..It's about when anyone criticizes a Belgium player, a barrage of posters just flame out at them. It's not even a rebuttal, just a series of incoherent jabs. Even if the criticism is rightfully deserved. You can't say anything negative about KDB, Hazard, Courtois, Lukaku, etc. because it's taboo. Just look at the pages before this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 No proof?! And there you go again with disregarding the facts thrown at you about what those awards are about and then claim what you say or so called look at is the truth. Anyway, like I said before, what a bloody waste of time...Have a good day.....Stop saying you threw facts on me. The only thing you say is that the award is given to the player that performed better, that can mean what I said and also what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Stop saying you threw facts on me. The only thing you say is that the award is given to the player that performed better, that can mean what I said and also what you said. Whatever you say oh 'The Selective One'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 It's about when anyone criticizes a Belgium player, a barrage of posters just flame out at them. It's not even a rebuttal, just a series of incoherent jabs. Even if the criticism is rightfully deserved. You can't say anything negative about KDB, Hazard, Courtois, Lukaku, etc. because it's taboo. Just look at the pages before this thread.Nice confirmation bias. Try being belgian and having to watch it all. I am sorry, but the knife cuts both ways. There is NO nuance. Also, check the history of the Hazard thread - people saying he is shit, not worth the money, overrated, no creativity, .... , Courtois thread ( idem as Hazard really sometimes but less), KDB (will never for chelsea, has failed after 150 minutes!, is utter dog shite, and don't forget the Lukaku is shit thread( no chelsea material, no link up, just shit, will never do ...) . Besides, a lot of the argumentation outside the non KDB thread is non belgian. Dude. Cause and effect. Chicken or the egg. Think what is first. See through the pages in here. See how it started against Hazard. I agree the counter strike from Belgium is .... Ugh. But the pre-emptive one was a nuclear attack as well. Hell, what players had the same criticism while pkaying good as Hazard, Courtois, now Lukaku ? Oscar last year? Bertrand? Only one! Torres, and that says enough, really. Chicken or the egg .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 It's about when anyone criticizes a Belgium player, a barrage of posters just flame out at them. It's not even a rebuttal, just a series of incoherent jabs. Even if the criticism is rightfully deserved. You can't say anything negative about KDB, Hazard, Courtois, Lukaku, etc. because it's taboo. Just look at the pages before this thread. At times that is true, but conversely it seems you can't defend a Belgian player without being labeled as part of the "Belgian barrage" even if you're not Belgian yourself! I find that even more annoying.One thing does not justify the other; we need to get rid of both. So, why don't you go first and stop labeling fellow Chelsea fans in a manner that questions their loyalty to the club just because they expressed an opinion different to yours and I'll call people out and ask them to stop when they're defending players beyond reason, alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 If anyone agrees with Hazard's inclusion in the nominees for Ballon D'or then I am sorry but you need to watch him play last season. Not trying to cause controversy or that but he wasn't very good on a consistent basis. He started with a flash, faded out, struggled in games, came off the bench in some games and played well but never rediscovered his form from the first 4 or 5 games. Players like Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Iniesta and others played well for most of the season. Their nominations are right but Hazard's seems wrong to me. Last years award, yes he should have been up for it as he had basically been involved directly with 40 goals at Lille, scoring 20 and assisting 20 or whatever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kaplan- 410 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Fair enough. Compromise has been reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.8fb88d2f3e0e6884a1aa67c4dce82986.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.