haranr 485 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I gotta disagree with you. Creating chances and assists does not only depend on Willian. It also depends on the offensive players, making the right runs and patterns, finding space behind the defense and getting into good position. If you play football you will know what I mean. If players aren't moving and waiting for the ball to be given to them underneath their feet, then I don't think you will have a great chance of creating opportunity.As far as him not scoring, I agree with you. He should be scoring much more and needs to work on his shots.Sure. Correct. But it also depends on Willian. You watch Hazard for example, he creates way more chances. Now, I don't expect Willian to create as much but he HAS to create more like every world-class player does. Believe he can create more. He should go pass a player and I know he can and cross it into the middle of the box, that's what I want and he nearly but nearly does that. And actually I think I am the only one here that thinks that but Willian's shots are quite good in my opinion, the problem is that he nearly finds space for himself to shoot from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Yes it does. He needs to create those chances. He has the ability to create more chances. Why doesn't he do that?? Cuz he isn't performing at his best, why isn't he making more assists - he doesn't have good vision and doesn't pass good enough.I seriously don't understand how you want someone who isn't the team's main playmaker (he's the third option even when Hazard and Oscar play) and who isn't in his natural position to provide even more chances than he has already... You do know he had an assist yesterday right? And should've had another had Demba Ba scored. Why doesn't he score more? Because he isn't performing at his best.I've explained all of this to you already in our earlier discussion a few weeks ago (which you blanked)... His role restricts him to be as creative as he can be. Why do you think Mata didn't assist anywhere near the same amount for us earlier in the season as he did last year? It's just simple pal... Hazard's role is the team's main playmaker, Willian is not, he's even behind Oscar for that. kellzfresh, Mohammed Seif, Ainsley Harriott and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I seriously don't understand how you want someone who isn't the team's main playmaker (he's the third option even when Hazard and Oscar play) and who isn't in his natural position to provide even more chances than he has already... You do know he had an assist yesterday right? And should've had another had Demba BaI've explained all of this to you already in our earlier discussion a few weeks ago (which you blanked)... His role restricts him to be as creative as he can be. Why do you think Mata didn't assist anywhere near the same amount for us earlier in the season as he did last year? It's just simple pal... Hazard's role is the team's main playmaker, Willian is not, he's even behind Oscar for that.What is exaclty Willian's role at the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 What is exaclty Willian's role at the team. Seriously man, go back just one page and I answered you on that but you completely blanked it. I'll quote it again for your convenience. How can he create when Hazard and Oscar are the ones who carry the ball the most in our attack? His role is what he's been praised for all season - his defensive abilities, his work rate, leading the high press, recovering and laying the ball off to our main playmakers in the team in Hazard and Oscar... He's often instructed to drop back too much in order to connect play and provide more defensive solidity. Look at his average positioning against PSG for example: How is he meant to create if he's constantly not even in the final third? As I said before, the role Mourinho has given him when he plays on the right is not to be a creator but more of a facilitator for our attack. Again, as he's shown against Stoke - if he is entrusted in his natural role he'll create and score. People have misunderstood his role in the team if they think he's our prime creator or is meant to be consistently scoring goals. Willian is the "assist before the actual assist" type of player. Mohammed Seif and ChelseaFSee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Seriously man, go back just one page and I answered you on that but you completely blanked it.I'll quote it again for your convenience.First of all, thank you.I understand your point but here I just don't support Mourinho's tactics then. For me, Willian has much much more ability to create chances than Oscar does. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cchuka 99 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 He needs to be our #10 before Oscar. In fact he should get Mata's jersey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 He needs to be our #10 before Oscar. In fact he should get Mata's jerseyAbsouluty not. Hazard will and should get the number 10. comilin 26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrs 1 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I see Willian is a selfish with salah .. didnt pass to Salah despite good positioning Salah was inI dont say tha because i'm Egyptian, but I think many many people have noticed that and that costed us a match and may be a title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Idd it was his mistake but are you ignoring the fact that he was involved in everything positive and should've had 3 assists on his conto. Besides running free Salah didn't make much of an impact, im not saying he shouldn't have passed to Salah (he should've) but don't put the blame on him for us losing. With Salah's misfiring in the last game there was no guarentee that he would've scored. Also i don't want to be racist but if you look on Willian's and Oscar's facebook page, it's getting crowded with Egyptians complaining about they're golden boy not getting a pass https://www.facebook.com/willianborges88?fref=ts Read the comments its sickening, but on the other hand im certain that most Egyptains are not like that. Salah still needs to earn respect in the squad, Hazard had the same problem last year where most players rather passed the ball to Mata than to Hazard. seanptmiller, The Skipper, Barbara and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 He needs to be our #10 before Oscar. In fact he should get Mata's jerseyI absolutely hope not, just ordered his jersey with #22 on it cchuka, Barbara and Sir Mikel OBE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's going to be sad, but I would not be shocked if he stopped all comments on his Facebook page. Even pictures of his daughters now have people attacking him for not passing to salah and being a racist despite the fact that both he and salah have a great understanding between them for just having played 2 or so matches together. The Skipper, Barbara and Oscar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Idd it was his mistake but are you ignoring the fact that he was involved in everything positive and should've had 3 assists on his conto. Besides running free Salah didn't make much of an impact, im not saying he shouldn't have passed to Salah (he should've) but don't put the blame on him for us losing. With Salah's misfiring in the last game there was no guarentee that he would've scored. Also i don't want to be racist but if you look on Willian's and Oscar's facebook page, it's getting crowded with Egyptians complaining about they're golden boy not getting a pass https://www.facebook.com/willianborges88?fref=ts Read the comments its sickening, but on the other hand im certain that most Egyptains are not like that. Salah still needs to earn respect in the squad, Hazard had the same problem last year where most players rather passed the ball to Mata than to Hazard. Whoa. What the fuck is peoples problem? That's disgusting.Can Willian lead us to European glory? http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/04/21/unfinished-business-why-chelseas-willian-can-guide-mourinho-to-champions-league-glory/2014042199463 Shakez and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's going to be sad, but I would not be shocked if he stopped all comments on his Facebook page. Even pictures of his daughters now have people attacking him for not passing to salah and being a racist despite the fact that both he and salah have a great understanding between them for just having played 2 or so matches together.These kids are a disgrace. You and Lilian player cocky, I've lost because of you, why did not pass the ball to Salah, Salah was in a better position than Ito.""You should know that you win together and you lose together.""Why did not you pass to Salah?, I was a little trick in this position, I play for Chelsea, not for yourself, and we now Nkerhec.""Why do so Aouellean, your selfish you are and what is the Oscar trophy Avqdtna 0.42 minutes did not pass on the ball to Salah!"."We have lost the league because of your mind as a kid, you're a big fool, are you crazy??, You did not hurt Salah you hurt your team.Team work . Pass to salah .you are stupid and selfish player ,we become hate youyour Jealousy from salah will finish the teamdon't be selfish and pass to salahhy didnt pass to salah??? u scare to take your position??play for chelsea not for yourself...it isnt the first time ...now we hate youyou are sooo stupid u made Chelsea lose the chance to win the premier league by being soo selfish...salah is better than you that u cant even be in comparison with himyou have to play and to pass the ball to salah all the Egyptian hate youfuc willian & oscar they did not pass to salah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 21, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 21, 2014 I see Willian is a selfish with salah .. didnt pass to Salah despite good positioning Salah was inI dont say tha because i'm Egyptian, but I think many many people have noticed that and that costed us a match and may be a titleYes, it's so obvious that Willian hates Salah. In fact, I bet he only moved to Chelsea because he knew we were interested in signing Salah; so he came here to destroy his career by not passing to him. The fiend! Seriously, get a grip! The decision making in the final third has been atrocious all season long. And that applies to all of our attackers, not just Willian. Esam, The Skipper, The Chels and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I see Willian is a selfish with salah .. didnt pass to Salah despite good positioning Salah was inI dont say tha because i'm Egyptian, but I think many many people have noticed that and that costed us a match and may be a titleMoron. Henrique 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esam 60 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yes, it's so obvious that Willian hates Salah. In fact, I bet he only moved to Chelsea because he knew we were interested in signing Salah; so he came here to destroy his career by not passing to him. The fiend! Seriously, get a grip! The decision making in the final third has been atrocious all season long. And that applies to all of our attackers, not just Willian. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! zolayes 14,489 Posted April 21, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 21, 2014 some of the posts on here make me think the Turks and the Romanians have come back .Forget the Nationalist pride ,,, Chelsea are now a multinational team ,, put bitter jealousies aside .. We have a few games left ,, SUPPORT THE TEAM not just your favourite player. yuvala, Mohammed Seif, Madmax and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Mohammed Seif 1,451 Posted April 21, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 21, 2014 Idd it was his mistake but are you ignoring the fact that he was involved in everything positive and should've had 3 assists on his conto. Besides running free Salah didn't make much of an impact, im not saying he shouldn't have passed to Salah (he should've) but don't put the blame on him for us losing. With Salah's misfiring in the last game there was no guarentee that he would've scored. Also i don't want to be racist but if you look on Willian's and Oscar's facebook page, it's getting crowded with Egyptians complaining about they're golden boy not getting a pass https://www.facebook.com/willianborges88?fref=ts Read the comments its sickening, but on the other hand im certain that most Egyptains are not like that. Salah still needs to earn respect in the squad, Hazard had the same problem last year where most players rather passed the ball to Mata than to Hazard. I really don't blame those kids. They are idiots as far as football is concerned. With all what has been happening in Egypt for the past 3-4 yrs, some Egyptians have been blinded by the conspiracy theories and believe everyone is conspiring on Egypt. This goes into football too!!!. The people I really blame are the press that back up this idea. If you knew Arabic and read the headlines you would be shocked. " Salah does well despite the Brazilian conspiracy by Willian and Oscar". Egyptians are emotional people, going through tough times in many ways and Salah is one of the few bright things in Egypt currently. So you can imagine when you have football idiots feeding off the idiotic press.Salah was in a better position than Eto, but no when will ever know if he was going to put in in the back of the net or in the stands. Willian should have passed to him, but the fact he didn't doesn't make it anything but just a bad decision. And it is not like Salah was taking great positions in this game either. I assure you, Egyptians are not racist at all ( the high majority anyways ), and this is just nothing but stupid behaviour. They just have VERY HIGH hopes in Salah and want him to succeed badly, but some of them show it in the wrong way. The Skipper, Ainsley Harriott, zolayes and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esam 60 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I really don't blame those kids. They are idiots as far as football is concerned. With all what has been happening in Egypt for the past 3-4 yrs, some Egyptians have been blinded by the conspiracy theories and believe everyone is conspiring on Egypt. This goes into football too!!!. The people I really blame are the press that back up this idea. If you knew Arabic and read the headlines you would be shocked. " Salah does well despite the Brazilian conspiracy by Willian and Oscar". Egyptians are emotional people, going through tough times in many ways and Salah is one of the few bright things in Egypt currently. So you can imagine when you have football idiots feeding off the idiotic press.Salah was in a better position than Eto, but no when will ever know if he was going to put in in the back of the net or in the stands. Willian should have passed to him, but the fact he didn't doesn't make it anything but just a bad decision. And it is not like Salah was taking great positions in this game either. I assure you, Egyptians are not racist at all ( the high majority anyways ), and this is just nothing but stupid behaviour. They just have VERY HIGH hopes in Salah and want him to succeed badly, but some of them show it in the wrong way.I am another Egyptian who confirms and agrees on those words above .. and I'd like to add :Like I said before .. many Egyptians support Chelsea just for the sake of Salah .. some don't know the name of Chelsea's stadium , never heard about the shed end or Zola , don't know who is our all time scorer , ........ etcbefore Salah wore the blue shirt Chelsea fans were very rare in Egypt .. now alot watch the matches just to cheer for Salah .. even the pool , city , arsenal and united fans in Egypt wish for him to score or assist! they support the player not the team .. it's just since january that ppl started concentrating on Chelsea .. most are like immature semi fans right now .. give them time and eventually they will support the club for the sake of being blue not for a player .. Henrique, Shakez and Mohammed Seif 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Yes Mata is better than Willian when it comes to the final third, but did you see how many times he got muscled off the ball against Everton on Sunday when they pressed him?! I reckon he'd be pretty screwed against Atletico tomorrow — Willian is much better adapted to the physical side of the game. Barbara and seanptmiller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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