KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 3)This would be the ideal formation if we buy a CAM or move mata into the Middle, would allow the CAM to push up high while still having 2 CM's behind providing defensive cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 @CJ Revo: I'd rather put Mata in the middle and Willian on the flank, while giving them freedom to swap positions. And you seem to be making Torres an automatic starter, why? For example, in the second formation you say Studge would get left out of the team, when in fact he could play CF instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Just so I can clear some things up, I'm going to state that there are three types of formation I see Willian fitting in with us...1)There's this idea, where Willian can play as an attacking midfielder, behind Torres, and with Sturridge and Mata either side... this is the one type of formation I'm hoping for in all fairness because in this formation, you have Romeu sitting deep to protect the back four, which he does really well.. give him credit, you've got Ramires being used as the box-to-box midfielder.. the one who engineers pace and speed.. and Willian is used as the provider for Torres, or to the wingers...2)This formation would also work well, but the only reason why I'm not in favour of it as opposed to the first formation, is because Willian is in place of Sturridge, and depending on how Willian performs for us, if AVB does indeed install him in that position, would push Sturridge down the pecking order... and, seeing as I'm a fan of Sturridge at the moment, I'm not too keen on this idea.. although Willian and Mata as wingers does seem pretty mouth watering if you consider the pace both of them have...3)This formation provides huge creativity as well... you have Willian dictating the creativity, and you have Mata and Sturridge as wingers, and Torres through the middle.. Lampard can come up and have a crack at goal also if he gets the chance.. though the reason I'm not in favour of this one either, is because... taking into account our poor defending while using the high-line tactic, this approach to a game clearly shows that our defence can be easily breached.. I seem to notice when we play games, Chelsea defend much better when they have a DM sitting back and protecting JT and Luiz/Ivanovic at the back... but the only reason this could prove me wrong, is because of the fact that Ramires is quick enough to get back if need be.----In conclusion, I'm in favour of the 1st formation simply because we are evenly balanced in midfield. You have Willian creating the play, a box-to-box midfielder in Ramires to act as either an extra man defensively or offensively, and you have a pacey DM in Romeu who can tackle hard and win the ball, and break up play!Nope. It will be:----------------Torres-----------------Willian---------Mata--------Sturridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo 1,729 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 All are interesting, but I think you're overrating Mata's pace a bit! I don't think he's fast.Indeed, Mata's pace is always overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRodgers1 6 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nope. It will be:----------------Torres-----------------Willian---------Mata--------SturridgeI agree with Torres up top alone. He scored all his goals at Liverpool with nothing but Gerrard and Xabi in the midfield. I don't think he knows how to play up to his ability with others playing along side him rather than feeding him. Willian, Mata, and Sturridge in the midfield has an incredible pace about it and the ability to distribute the ball to Torres or any of the other attacking midfielders from any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 very mata ish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 And you seem to be making Torres an automatic starter, why?Because of course, Drogba is at the ACON.. otherwise I would have chosen him instead of Torres, but I'm trying to make use of what's currently available to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Because of course, Drogba is at the ACON.. otherwise I would have chosen him instead of Torres, but I'm trying to make use of what's currently available to usIF Willian signs, he will probably come by the time when Drogba is nearly back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 very mata ish....Maybe, but he's way faster than Mata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Willian keen on Chelsea move: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4086886/Willian-keen-on-Chelsea-move.htmlQuotes from the player are included, but its from the Sun though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 An interesting piece I found : What Real Betis and Denilson Can Teach Chelsea About WillianIn 2001, I was living in Seville, Spain and fell in love with Real Betis Balompie. At the time, Betis was in the Segunda but nevertheless possessed two top tier footballers – Spain’s Joaquin and Brazil’s DenÃlson de Oliveira Araújo.A few times a week I’d head down to Betis’ training ground and stand 20 feet away from these two and watch as they out-dueled each other with freakish skills. While both players were incredible to watch, Denilson was my man. To this day, he's probably one of my favorite players of all time.Denilson was perhaps best known for his contributions to Brazil’s 1998 World Cup squad, namely pulling an orgasmic five step-over move in the box against Holland (At 1:31 in the video below).Deni’s breakout play in the World Cup was enough to convince Real Betis to break the world-record transfer fee and pay São Paulo £21.5 million for his services. In 1998, this was a ton of money.When I arrived in Seville three years later, most beticos were growing weary of Denilson. I insisted they were wrong. Denilson would produce, I argued.But despite my awe and admiration, the beticos were right. Denilson never became the footballer he was destined to be. In the end, his love for magic foot-skills blinded him from knowing what to do once he managed to get by defenders.He was not a wasted talent. But he was certainly not worth anywhere near his £21.5 million transfer fee.Today, there's another Brazilian winger who can dizzy his opponents with high-paced step-overs, Shakhtar Donetsk's Willian Borges da Silva.With eight days to go in this underwhelming January transfer window a lot of chatter has been made of Chelsea's efforts to land Willian. And while there's nothing I like more than seeing new, exciting blood in a Premier League squad, when it comes to Willian, Chelsea need to pump the brakes.Like most, my only exposure to Willian has been through Shakhtar's Champions League campaigns over the last four years. It's not that I don't rate the Ukrainian Premier League - quite the opposite, actually - but neither those matches nor their highlights are ever shown on television.That being said, I've seen enough of Willian to know that he is an extraordinarily talented footballer. He possesses all the typical Brazilian foot skills coupled with explosive pace and a penchant for running directly at defenders. However, like Denilson and many other young, talented Brazilians, Willian's love for the samba shake sometimes overcomes the need to get the job done.To me, this comes down to coaching. Willian needs to be put in an enviornment where his manager convinces him that in team football, the flash comes second. I think Andre Villas Boas could be the man to make this happen and Chelsea could be the club to take Willian to the next level.But Chelsea need to make a smart purchase. Reports out of Shakhtar claim they recently rejected a £16.5million bid insisting that Willian "is not for sale." In other words, Shakhtar want more money for the 23 year old.So should Chelsea pony up?Hell no. (For now).Willian spent the 2006-2007 at Corinthians where he scored two goals in 37 appearances. In August 2007, Shakhtar paid £12 million for Willian. Here's how he's played over that time:â–ª In 2007-2008 he failed to score in 35 league appearances and 4 Champions League matches.â–ª In 2008-2009 he scored six goals in 37 league appearances and two goals in 11 Champions League matches.â–ª In 2009-2010 he scored 5 times in 24 league appearances but failed to score in three Champions League matches.â–ª In 2010-2011 he scored three times in 28 league appearances and twice in ten Champions League matches.â–ª This season, Willian has scored three times in 20 league appearances and once in six Champions League matches.In total, he's notched 17 goals in 134 league appearances and five goals in 34 Champions League matches.To me, these numbers are not very impressive. And it's not like Willian is another Juan Mata-type who bags a ton of assists. Although it's more difficult to track down Willian's assist records, it appears that the Brazilian has between 3-5 assists over his 34 Champions League appearances.So what does this mean?It means that Willian is a highly talented 23 year old Brazilian winger who, in five years at Shakhtar has failed to turn talent into production.Couple this with the fact that Willian is cup-tied in the Champions League and suddenly his value to Chelsea drops . . . significantly.But the real kicker is this:When Willian arrived at Shakhtar in 2007 he penned a five year contract, which ends on June 30, 2012.So when it comes to bringing Willian to Stamford Bridge, there's no rush.Chelsea should spend the next six months determining whether Willian's talent can be transfered into production. And if so, offer him a competitive weekly wage and save the £16.5 million transfer fee.That way, Willian can be Willian. And not the next Denilson.http://www.thesecondball.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 "When Willian arrived at Shakhtar in 2007 he penned a five year contract, which ends on June 30, 2012."Does his contract really expire in 6 months? I'm sure Shakhtar must have made him sign a new contract since then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/27944_willian_looks_forward_to_possible_chelsea_move.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1013162/shakhtar-donetsk-midfielder-willian-up-for-chelsea-move?cc=3436Willian wants to play for us, hopefully this will alow us to complete the deal without Having to Increase our Bid too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 His club always said he wanted to Join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 An interesting piece I found :http://www.thesecondball.com/That piece was interesting, but I have to disagree with the author regarding a couple of things..:1. Why should Chelsea look into Willian's ability and productivity in the coming 6 months? If the clubs scouts are any good and have lined him up as a possible target this Jan, they would have already been monitoring his progress for the past several months.2. While it is sensible not to splash cash on a player that is cup-tied, I don't exactly agree with the author when he says there is "no rush" to bring in a player like that to the bridge. Our top 4 spot could be in jeopardy, and there might not be any Champions League incentive to bring this player or any other player this summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 He's a free agent in June? We really should wait then & not let Shaktar have an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 He's a free agent in June? We really should wait then & not let Shaktar have an advantage.Where does it say that he's in his final year of his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 ^ In that article Jaimin posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idiot 71 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 thought his contract expires in 2014?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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