🇧🇷 Willian

[Rom2013 446]

We all know who understands nothing about football. It's been proved over and over again...

Moving on...

At least this whole conversation put light on something I missed. I had no idea Willian had 10 assists last year... how come people say he evolved this season? Of course, he's more adapted to the league, but as a sub most part of the season he had 10 assists - which I think is impressive in a first season (that might be way I defended him so much last season).

Now he's been starting nearly every match we play and he has two assists. If that doesn't show how frustrating, ineffective, lost, useless, and downright bad he's been in the final third choices and execution, I don't know what does.

I do recognize and praise him for his stamina, energy, work rate, but he's an AM he has to offer more to the actual attack.

Oscar has always been highly criticized around here - and much of the criticism has been fair and I agree - and the the main criticism was that how he creates nothing for us as an AM/#10. Willian gets away with much worse return in the attack... I know the fact that Oscar led Mata to be dropped and then offloaded is what irritated people the most, but as limited as he can be, Oscar has been offering more than Willian in the attack consistently (except during his terrible second half of season earlier this year).

Willian must improve, we can't have an AM that starts nearly all our matches in the season, to have only two assists and a very low number of chances created - at least chances created that matter, as I particularly hate how sloppy that stat can be.

LOL. Oscar did 2 assists in the last league. He is our number 10 and did 2 assists.

Maybe we can't have a player that did 2 assists until now in the league like WIllian, but for you we can have a number 10 that did 2 assists in the last League.

We can talk all you want about the marvelous games from Oscar in this last month and a half, or in the season. Maybe about last season when he was on vacatios for 4 months.

It's really cool to see how the same people that think Oscar is increadible are the same that say Willian needs to improve a lot. We can't take that seriously.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

I understand that his primary role as a winger should be to assist and score goals but his defensive work rate is just phenomenal. I feel he gets massively criticised here because Hazard on the other wing performs so well.

The truth is that Hazard is better player and is on course to becoming one of the greats of the game. Willian gets picked because he tracks back a lot and can add support to our attacking players. Schurrle is better offensively but can not match Willian behind the half line and hence has to settle for a squad player role.

Honestly I believe if Willian had the opportunity to just play his natural game and not worry about helping out his defenders then he would be a better player. I am sure he would be much more appreciated by everyone if he had signed for Spurs instead.

[Rom2013 446]

It's not even about assists though, because that can be misleading at times as it's dependent on whether other players can take the chance or not . Created chances/key passes is a fairer criteria to measure creative produce, and Willian is equally poor in that category and in all categories required of an attacking player. Goals, assists, created chances, key passes, everything is lacking. And his dribbling ability is exaggerated as he hardly ever beats players, if you watch him closely. It's obvious that Willian is not Chelsea first XI standard and neither is Schurrle. I won't take sides with any player. He's being outperformed by players like Tadic and Downing. Says it all.

http://http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/dusan_tadic/126/126/7763/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/alexis_sánchez/126/126/1581/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/stewart_downing/126/126/78/49/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/assists/goals_scored/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

That's for both last season and this season in the premier league. Both were equally average last season. Oscar scored more goals but Willian created more chances. This season, Oscar is outperforming him in every relevant category. That's what we're saying. Most people here hates Willian, or any Chelsea player for that matter. Don't take it personally.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/willian/126/64/7145/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/oscar/126/64/3129/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/goals_scored/assists/total_shots/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I haven't been active lately due to my personal schedule, but damn. What a brilliant tactical performance. Hope he keeps improving.

[Barbara 15,149]

My problem with him is that he could do much better than that because he has tons of talent and flair.

At the end of the day we shouldn't play both him and Oscar in the same matches, as while they offer a lot of work rate they have creative shortcomings, the thing is Oscar has been having a much better season. So we should rotate them, but avoid playing both at the same time.

He was better in some aspects today, but his decision making was still frustrating as heck. It seems he has 0 football brains, seriously, I can't name it any other way. And he's missed one meter passes in the final third that had me hitting my head on the wall.

I think when we play Mikel instead of Oscar it gets even worse. And whoever says he's been better than Oscar this season probably has been watching another team, or something, while Oscar hasn't been brilliant, he's been very good in many matches, Willian has been average in the final third most the matches he's played. And it seems he doesn't remember how to finish anymore

[Cescy 40]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

The biggest difference is that Oscar has improved and Willian hasn't.

[Spike 12,049]

I feel like I should warn every person that uses the tired old insult "you know nothing of football". Sick of reading it every thread.

[Styles 9,790]

This is really strange - I thought Willian had a good game and was a large part of why we were so utterly dominant in the first half. I can't quite believe what I'm reading to be honest.

Willian is the most unfaily maligned player in the team now that Mikel is no longer in the 11.

[iseah100 5,612]

I thought he was pretty good today. Hmm.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

[LAB 1,030]

Today he had a good game overall, but not threatening enough in the final third once again. By his standards today he was better, but that doesn't mean that he was great and the criticism he is getting is unfair.

[bababoom 4,478]

Was good, but it has to be said his final pass is atrocious.

[Styles 9,790]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

Oscar's more decisive, though. He can shoot. His decision-making in the final third is generally better too. Unless we're seeing the beginning of Oscar's slump in form, I think he deserves to start. Though he is rather uncreative for a #10.

[Barbara 15,149]

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

except Oscar still contributes more...

Whenever Oscar makes room to Mikel we should have someone playing instead of Willian. Having Mikel AND Willian in the same lineup could increase home accident rates with people infringing pain onto themselves out of frustration.

I don't know what's been so wonderful about him in the final third today, I think he improved and he contributed to how we dominated the final third, but he still made 8 bad decisions out of 10.

And one of Oscar's biggest contributions today - and many other times - was creating space for others, space that Willian wasted. I'm in no way saying Oscar was better - he wasn't - but I wish I could see this amazing player you see on Willian that should displace our player with more assists after Cesc and who still remembers how to score - not to mention key passes, chances created, passes in the final third % and even tackles.

Oscar has been superior to Willian in every single aspect you look at - stats and performance wise - throughout the season, but I suppose each of us have a preference, regardless of what's shown in the pitch.

There's only so much room for AMs who excel in defending and pressing rather than attacking and whether you want to admit or not, numbers and volume of play show that Oscar has been better than Willian on both leads. They should rotate imo.

[Styles 9,790]

Oscar's more decisive, though. He can shoot. His decision-making in the final third is generally better too. Unless we're seeing the beginning of Oscar's slump in form, I think he deserves to start. Though he is rather uncreative for a #10.

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

[Barbara 15,149]

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

lol

right, mate. Lesson learned. Not going to discuss this with you anymore.

To each their own.

[Madmax 9,219]

What am I missing here?

Oscar vs Willian (EPL)

Goals : 3 vs 1

Assists : 5 vs 1

Key passes per game : 1.7 vs 1.1

Shots per game : 3.1 vs 1.8

Neither is a particularly great attacking threat but one decent game from Willian doesn't override Oscar's obviously greater input thus far this season and there's only one winner there.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

Oscar's been definitely more decisive in the final third.

Also, a pretty telling stat:

TOTAL FORWARD PASSES

Fabregas - 977 passes

Hazard - 486

Oscar - 466

Willian - 249

Out of all our main AMs, Willian is the one who plays forward passes the least. You can often see Hazard dribble past two defenders and give Willian the ball, Willian make a couple steps forward, wait, and then pass the ball back(or lose it). He's ineffective. Oscar is nowhere as effective and creative as Hazard and Fabregas, but he's definitely better than Willian.