🇳🇱 Marco van Ginkel

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Well if he gets playing time and he's good enough for it then fine by me.

In a 4-2-3-1 in the Pivots.

--------De Rossi------Van Ginkel------

-De Bruyne----Mata/Oscar------Hazard--

In a 4-3-3 which needs to be tried out

--------------------De Rossi-------------------

-----------Oscar---------------Van Ginkel----

[Duppy Conqueror 1,537]

Good signing but IMO this is why FFP won't ever really work. The loan system allows big spending clubs to buy up young talent, loan them off to sides who pay their wage bill and the players' values will almost inevitably rise. (Buy any 19 YO with talent and give them a good loan opportunity and their value will rise). Chelsea have spent something like 40-50M pounds in the last 3 years on players who haven't really played for Chelsea yet. The average Premier League team spends a fair bit less than that on all their players (and they have to sell players to make it happen.) The loan system allows not only bloated rosters, but allow top clubs to buy up an infinite amount of young talent. Happy about the signing but I don't think this sort of thing is good for football overall.

A lot of the big clubs in mainland Europe have been doing that for years,decades.we are just one of the few English clubs to be doing so.

financial fair play was not something that bothered Platini when he was a player,getting rich and being surrounded by bought in footballers when the Italian clubs were the rich ones. But he hates everything that is English and thought it was a way to bring us down...he failed.

There's a way he could bring down top English clubs at least for the next few years but he's not smart enough to see it.

[Fernando 6,585]

Not that I'm totally against this transfer but we seem more busy right now in acquiring more young talents for the future than addressing the key areas with ready-made players.

I think Mourinho said he wanted to build something for a long time and take the challenge of younger players.

As in the past 3 teams he has been the man that buys the player and get an instant fix.

Here he is expecting to be working for a couple of years.

In short, this year another transition season. Even with the great Mourinho don't expect to win much this season.

[zolayes 14,489]

I think Mourinho said he wanted to build something for a long time and take the challenge of younger players.

As in the past 3 teams he has been the man that buys the player and get an instant fix.

Here he is expecting to be working for a couple of years.

In short, this year another transition season. Even with the great Mourinho don't expect to win much this season.

FFS we have had five transition seasons ..any more and we will morph into Scumpool or Gooners

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Aint seen him play but if the club thinks he is good enough then fine by me.

[Jase 43,479]

Daily Mail have dubbed him as the Dutch's Justin Bieber...

[Rmpr 8,977]

I wont complain because I believe he is a good player, but I wish we were focusing more on buying stablished and experienced player for key posistions (ST, DM, CB, etc)...

[Stingray 9,441]

Daily Mail have dubbed him as the Dutch's Justin Bieber...

So Justin is coming?

[Jase 43,479]

I think Mourinho said he wanted to build something for a long time and take the challenge of younger players.

As in the past 3 teams he has been the man that buys the player and get an instant fix.

Here he is expecting to be working for a couple of years.

In short, this year another transition season. Even with the great Mourinho don't expect to win much this season.

Transition is transition. Mourinho would still want to challenge strongly in the Premier League and Champions League, the 2 major competitions for us, and win it. Moreover, there needs to be a balance of experience and youth to the team. Right now, we have an influx of the latter and not enough of the former that will elevate us to the next level and fix the immediate problems in the team. We could find ourselves in battling to finish in the Top 4 again if we don't address the right areas in the team for next season.

[Jusek 2,031]

We need some kind of Bieber chant for him.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Daily Mail have dubbed him as the Dutch's Justin Bieber...

He should be right up your street then Jay you Beiber fanatic.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Well, not bad at all!!

Nice, but Courtois and KDB are probably worth twice as what it's listed here.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

So for DM position, this is our depth chart:

1. Mikel

2. Ramires

3. Lampard

4. Van Ginkel

5. Romeu

6. Essien

Mikel - Ramires would still be my first choice pivot for big games, Ramires is just a different animal in big games. But, Romeu-Van Ginkel would be my second choice, or Essien/Lamps - Van Ginkel if Romeu is leaving.

Think Van Ginkel is a Ramires/Lamps replacement really in the pivot since he's not a holding mid and a box-to-box player. That said, would still like to get a Mikel replacement, hopefully De Rossi.

[nyikolajevics 2,700]

Romeu will go out on loan, i guess! Essien won't be used extensively and if we are changing to 4-3-3, De Rossi could be our next buy!!

I don't think that we will change to 4-3-3. We have a squad to 4-2-3-1 (6 top quality amf/winger) . What would we do with them if only 2 could play at the same time? Two of them would be not even on the bench.

[remains of the day 564]

Not that I'm totally against this transfer but we seem more busy right now in acquiring more young talents for the future than addressing the key areas with ready-made players.

Normally I would agree with this and I've been very critical of the club's practice of stockpiling young potential talents under the much touted rationale of "buying for the future" despite there being gapping holes that need to be filled with players that can contribute immediately. And, if I'm being honest, there's just something that feels fundamentally contradictory & inherently flawed about a club centring their transfers around ideals of potential, development and the future but at the same time holding short term expectations and demanding immediate results. How exactly does that work, I wonder.

But the signing of Van Ginkel makes sense on several levels. Some might disagree, but I think if we're looking to improve our centre midfield then more funds should be invested in a holding midfielder and not on a deep lying playmaker or the position that Van Ginkel plays. A holding midfielder I think is what is urgently needed and from the players we've been linked with (i.e De rossi, Matic, Kondogbia) the club & Mourinho clearly see this area as the top priority that needs addressing in centre midfield. I think they see the positon of a central midfielder/deep lying playmaker as one we can "make do" until next season when Van Ginkel will perhaps be more ready to play a larger role.

[BOSS 372]

Transition is transition. Mourinho would still want to challenge strongly in the Premier League and Champions League, the 2 major competitions for us, and win it. Moreover, there needs to be a balance of experience and youth to the team. Right now, we have an influx of the latter and not enough of the former that will elevate us to the next level and fix the immediate problems in the team. We could find ourselves in battling to finish in the Top 4 again if we don't address the right areas in the team for next season.

The reason why we battled for the top 4 last season was because we did not have enough width. We so desperately needed a striker and DM aswell + we had Rafa Benitez as our manager.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Not too happy with this signing, looks similar to Kdb, but not as good. Some will say that Kevin isnt CM, but he played there for Genk and je plays in midfield in 4:3:3 for Belgium. Way too similar players because both will never get in starting eleven with Mazacar and others like Chalobah, Loftus, Romeu,...

Besides I kind of dislike all these transitional seasons, our team might be younger but in all these years, we dont even have the formation and at least half of the first 11. Soo many buys but no one knows what for realy. Oscar was brought as CM as Modric replacement, look is he playing there? Kdb was brought for what? CM, wing? Now we get another CM; Ginkel. Great! Its cool with all the talent etc, but this isnt Fifa or we want to fake Arsenal, I dont know...should sign experienced players that will be replaced with these youngsters eventualy...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Well, not bad at all!!

Isnt Thorgan 20 years old and was 19 when he signed???

[The Mak 4,459]

It's about time we got a bit of dutch magic! From what I hear, he's mainly a CM who likes to go forward? I could be wrong, but it may point to us alternating between 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 for certain games as a lot of our AMs are also comfortable on the wing.

I'm all for the signing, but it's still not addressing our main concerns. These:

I wont complain because I believe he is a good player, but I wish we were focusing more on buying stablished and experienced player for key posistions (ST, DM, CB, etc)...

Transition is transition. Mourinho would still want to challenge strongly in the Premier League and Champions League, the 2 major competitions for us, and win it. Moreover, there needs to be a balance of experience and youth to the team. Right now, we have an influx of the latter and not enough of the former that will elevate us to the next level and fix the immediate problems in the team. We could find ourselves in battling to finish in the Top 4 again if we don't address the right areas in the team for next season.

The pivot in particular is in dire need of a world class talent or some experience. It's where we fell down a lot last season. If it came to it, I think we could go another season with the defence and strikers we have at the moment, but only if the pivot gets a top, top signing. Maybe if even two, especially if the links of Mikel to Turkey are in anyway true.

We can't get distracted by buying more flashy attacking youth when we also need players who can get the dirty work done as well.

However, I think this may be a leftover Emenalo signing that Jose simply gave the green light to. I don't think Emenalo is too adept at picking defensive players, so I turst Mourinho to get it right. I think the next signings will be influenced more by José...

P.S. I think MVG should probably go out on loan. He'd add great depth, but the likes of Werder Bremen would take him in a second and he'd start nearly all their games.

[Jase 43,479]

The reason why we battled for the top 4 last season was because we did not have enough width. We so desperately needed a striker and DM aswell + we had Rafa Benitez as our manager.

Did not have enough width? Width?! You meant depth right?

Buying players like van Ginkel will add depth in terms of numbers but the quality is not necessarily there. We need depth not just in terms of having numbers but also a sufficient amount of quality in the squad. And yes, we have Mourinho as the manager this time around but as I have said many times, he's great but not god. He can only work with what he's got. He can't magically give players additional quality or improvements in it, especially with the younger ones.