Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 So, that is where we are at now...buy (rubbish) players like Torres just to sell shirts? We pretty much did it with Ballack...and he was pretty average for the most part. LDN Blue and Christo191 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 We pretty much did it with Ballack...and he was pretty average for the most part.Average? Ballack had way more impact than Torres has in his 2 1/2 years. Right now, the only supposed good thing that Torres is giving us is he's selling t-shirts yet (ultimately!) not producing it on the pitch consistently and we're suffering because of it! nachikethas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 So, that is where we are at now...buy (rubbish) players like Torres just to sell shirts? No mate, I'm not commenting what kind of player Torres is for Chelsea. I simply post that this with the massive price tag and wages is non valid point, because he already payed it off just because he is a Chelsea players. I can't deny that Fernando is not at his best, or even shit at this time with Chelsea. But when we bought him he was the best centre forward in the world. No body back then even heard of Cavani's or Facao's! I dont think that cheap player like Ba did us more good on the field than Torres did. It's just mine opinion. Sorry if it's not popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Surely we should actually see him under a proper good manager before discussing whether he should leave or not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Average? Ballack had way more impact than Torres has in his 2 1/2 years. Right now, the only supposed good thing that Torres is giving us is he's selling t-shirts yet (ultimately!) not producing it on the pitch consistently and we're suffering because of it!My point is that Torres is not exactly the first player we brought and kept where merchandise sales was an influence the decision even if (as with both Torres and Ballack) their performance did not justify the transfer and wages we paid them Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November33rd 84 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Surely we should actually see him under a proper good manager before discussing whether he should leave or not..If Torres can't succeed under Benitez he can't succeed under anyone. Mourinho is the special one, but he isn't God. Torres is a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Surely we should actually see him under a proper good manager before discussing whether he should leave or not..I'm reading that he is close to Arsenal for 9 m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 My point is that Torres is not exactly the first player we brought and kept where merchandise sales was an influence the decision even if (as with both Torres and Ballack) their performance did not justify the transfer and wages we paid themExactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Surely we should actually see him under a proper good manager before discussing whether he should leave or not..Under that theory we should give Essien another chance to prove he can get back to his old self, when a player is finished they are finished.Why does near enough every single Chelsea fan accept Essien is done yet some still harbour this false hope for Torres?Torres either leaves or plays a Kaka style bit part role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'm in the Demba Ba thread discussing Demba Ba. I'm not discussing Torres Badboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 This is the Demba Ba thread and it's been more about Torres. Demba has been here half a season its unfair to let him go now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'm in the Demba Ba thread discussing Demba Ba. I'm not discussing Torres My bad, i saw Torres was the main topic of discussion even in this thread and thought u were joining in on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hopefully, soon we won't be discussing him in the the Current squad, but in the Ex Blues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 This is the Demba Ba thread and it's been more about Torres. Demba has been here half a season its unfair to let him go now !Didn't Jose buy players in the January window then sell them the following summer before? I think one of them was Maniche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 No mate, I'm not commenting what kind of player Torres is for Chelsea. I simply post that this with the massive price tag and wages is non valid point, because he already payed it off just because he is a Chelsea players. I can't deny that Fernando is not at his best, or even shit at this time with Chelsea.Perhaps so. But continue to pay him 175k p/w wages every week is just a waste when he's not doing the job on the pitch that we come to expect of him.But when we bought him he was the best centre forward in the world. No body back then even heard of Cavani's or Facao's! I dont think that cheap player like Ba did us more good on the field than Torres did. It's just mine opinion. Sorry if it's not popular.Slightly disagree there. Torres was already on a decline when we bought him. His reputation, just like now, is what made people still rate him back then.As for the Ba-Torres debate, will not get into again but all I'll say is had Ba scored those chances he has been getting, this wouldn't even be a debate right nowas there will only be one winner and it's definitely not someone from the Iberian peninsula... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ok we have to agree to disagree.Perhaps so. But continue to pay him 175k p/w wages every week is just a waste when he's not doing the job on the pitch that we come to expect of him.Slightly disagree there. Torres was already on a decline when we bought him. His reputation, just like now, is what made people still rate him back then.As for the Ba-Torres debate, will not get into again but all I'll say is had Ba scored those chances he has been getting, this wouldn't even be a debate right nowas there will only be one winner and it's definitely not someone from the Iberian peninsula... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 You just missed that Torres already has payed off his price tag, by "selling shirts" a couple of times. His shirt is one of the most selling in the world. This argument for the price of the players is unvallid. And getting ridiculous. If we didn't have the money, we just wont pay the price nor the wages!Oh, And BA is SHIT!I guess you did not get my post, because it has nothing to do with what you just wrote. BTW, I also don't think much of BA.Boy he must have sold a lot of shirts... Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 pfffffffffffffffffffff Alright BOYYY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Didn't Jose buy players in the January window then sell them the following summer before? I think one of them was Maniche.Maniche was only a loan, Jarosik is one however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Infact he did, he "sold" alot of shirts and the club made hundreds of millions of proffit. Sorry to the staff for the Offtopics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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