couris 232 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Now the excuse is that Torres doesn't and has never fit into our style of play. Why is there always an excuse for him? He's just not good. Period. A striker who isn't any good doesn't fit into ANYBODY'S style of play.Just stop the ridiculous excuses. Shit is super annoying. Again....it's always somebody else's fault with you people. Now our style of play is to blame. Ridiculous.Do you even play football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ja1 1,166 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 But I'm sure if those stats were in Torres' favour it would be an example of how good he was, and how the team isn't on the level he is? Probably some sort of arguement about how he's always making runs and the team doesn't pick them out so everyone hates Torres. Boohoo, poor Fernando, etc. Manuf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Now the excuse is that Torres doesn't and has never fit into our style of play. Why is there always an excuse for him? He's just not good. Period. A striker who isn't any good doesn't fit into ANYBODY'S style of play.Just stop the ridiculous excuses. Shit is super annoying. Again....it's always somebody else's fault with you people. Now our style of play is to blame. Ridiculous.Well by that logic any player in the world should fit in to any team and be successful so long as he's good. So explain the Shevchenko, Ibrahimovic and Robinho's of the world. How come Andy Carroll was a great player for Newcastle but then went to Liverpool and offered next to nothing?Torres has never fit in here and if you think that's news fresh off the press then you'd do well to read back over this thread.But I'm sure if those stats were in Torres' favour it would be an example of how good he was, and how the team isn't on the level he is? Probably some sort of arguement about how he's always making runs and the team doesn't pick them out so everyone hates Torres. Boohoo, poor Fernando, etc.No. Don't go assuming that everybody on this forum jumps to shitty conclusions based on a single arbitrary stat just because you may be inclined to do so yurself. For example, when I offered a stat - the 2/3 of Torres Liverpool goals coming from defense slitting passes - it actually works. It makes for a nice little natural experiment, that is, put a player in one team and offer up a very specific kind of service. Now put him in another team which lacks that very service... see results.The other ridiculous thing is how you people basically take from a post what you want from it. I write a perfectly objective post. I went as far as saying I'd happily take another striker over Torres (who works). But I go on to explain, fairly, why he doesn't work etc. I point out other weaknesses in our squad and discuss how they are probably as big a contributing factor as Torres. I also acknowledged before anything else that Torres has played his worst football here. But somehow then, when I mention that stat is useless, you come to the conclusion that I'd probably love that stat if it defended a player who I've already said I'd be happy enough to see go. You're just taking the the parts you want to hear, the defense, and ignoring the fact that I actually criticized him too. And probably worse, ignoring the bigger problem, our teams criticism.Let me tell you. I watch every single one of our games. Last season for example, I missed one half of a Newcastle game, that was it. I also read plenty of stats about our team. And guess what? The vast majority of stats are useless without actually seeing the results. For example, Mikel - another Chelsea scapegoat - stats would have you believe that he is a world class passer and distributor of the ball. Well, he's not. I could complete most 5 yard backward passes. To that's not to say Mikel is bad because he's not. It's simply to say that those stats don't sum up what Mikel is all about or his role in the team.So don't start accusing those who look at the bigger picture of being bias, when the best you can offer is, HUR HUR, YOU WOULD LOVE THAT STAT IF IT SAID TORRES WAS GREAT. BOO HOO FERNANDO LOL LOL LOL. Madmax, The Skipper and royg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 ^ Brilliant.One thing that worries me about this ''OMG LET'S HAVE FALCAO IN JANUARY!!!" hoopla is he's not going to uproot trees with the way we're playing currently. The difference between him and Torres will be that he's likely to put away half chances more regularly but that shouldn't detract from the huge problem area in our midfield if we're indeed looking at signing him. nullabletype and RamiCFC9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 i dont think any player in recent times who split us all into two different gangs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantdeville 195 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 All reasons aside, it still infuriates me the number of times he loses the ball on the break or touches it into a defender and the attack falls apart.But to be fair, we were all probably a bit spoiled with Drogba's beastly hold up play for so many years...and wrong to expect Torres to play the same way. It would be nice if we stopped hucking the ball into box from 40 yards out tho...on every other possession. Drogba's not there, David Luiz, no ones going to get that ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 All reasons aside, it still infuriates me the number of times he loses the ball on the break or touches it into a defender and the attack falls apart.But to be fair, we were all probably a bit spoiled with Drogba's beastly hold up play for so many years...and wrong to expect Torres to play the same way.It would be nice if we stopped hucking the ball into box from 40 yards out tho...on every other possession. Drogba's not there, David Luiz, no ones going to get that ball.Exactly. Long hoof balls by Cech and others infuriate me, because as soon as I see it leavinig the boot, I know we will lose possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Exactly. Long hoof balls by Cech and others infuriate me, because as soon as I see it leavinig the boot, I know we will lose possession.Can't be helped sometimes. Teams will press and force us to go long because they know none of our forward attacking players are good enough to win the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Can't be helped sometimes. Teams will press and force us to go long because they know none of our forward attacking players are good enough to win the ball.[OT] Yes, but it is something we should be addressing, but we don't seem to have an answer to that. We let our weaknesses be exploited too easily. We're fine as long as teams give us room, as soon as they don't we're trapped. [/OT] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Okay, I'm oficially done with supporting this lad. He is poor and everyone knows it, but some people keep lying to themselves that he is gonna come back and score 35 goals this season. I'm sorry, guys, but he will NEVER be the striker he was and we will not win anything important as long as we rely on him as our main striker. He needs to go to some mid-table club, like Fulham or Liverpool (), but I don't want to see him playing for Chelsea anymore. He doesn't even bother trying to score. He is always passing the ball or trying to cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Totally agreed. Done with him. Time to go Fernando, shut the door on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 The hell with Torres and everyone who keeps defending this guy. Bench him, let him play Carling Cup games etc and play STURRIDGE. In January: sell Torres, even for 10m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Finally, people have come to realize the problems with Torres! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 It was impossible for him to have a good game, he was up against 3 very good defenders, couldn't win anything in the air, so he kept dropping back. At least he helped at times in the middle, but we missed a target man in a game like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Goodness me, I think he should permanently change his playing position into a midfielder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 It was impossible for him to have a good game, he was up against 3 very good defendersI'm sorry, but isn't Torres actually supposed to have good games against very good defenders?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I'm sorry, but isn't Torres actually supposed to have good games against very good defenders?!If you've watched him over the past 12 months, then you would know the answer to that is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 It really confuses me how he can't get himself involved. He's neither taking good runs nor is he spacing the pitch to create some space for his teammates. But the worst thing about him is that he's now the only striker we've got since Sturridge is injured... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 If you've watched him over the past 12 months, then you would know the answer to that is no.Well, the answer is YES.Torres IS supposed to have good games against great defenders, because he is the main striker of the European champions. And as the main striker, he must score or, at least, try. The problem is that he can't have good games against great defenders since he came here. Therefore, again, I think that Torres can fuck right off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseathebest 150 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 We need someone like Drogba - animal who can carry two defenders on his back and win all air duels (exactly what we don't have in Torres...) xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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