Fernando Torres

[didierforever 7,349]

Really?

Dude, who are trying to fool? I can read the forum my self and know that this isn't true. Obviously it's not everybody, but quite a lot of people. Ramires has been slated from the start of the season, Luiz isn't even playing much yet people are queuing up to call him a terrible player, and Mikel has been coming on for the last few minutes of the past couple of games to kill the game off and did exactly that yet he's still being singled out, and how has Torres been one of the three under performers? He's been pretty much the same as Eto'o and miles better than Ba this season.

I didn't say there aren't positive comments, but the comments I'm talking about are not criticism, they are just pointless bashing and putting down of players that should not exist at all.

Oh dude. I specifically said this about torres

he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them.

Yet u ask how he has underperformed!!!???

Also read the recent argument bout luiz. TOPTB who u woukd say is slating luiz admits that luiz hss all the qualities for a WC defender except for the mental one. Which I totally twnd to agree. All people are sayong is thay luiz can be sold. Specially since he is our 3rd CHOICEE CB who is not really dependable but heay have a markwt value of 25-35mil. If the right offer comes, he will be sold. Very similar to mata. Dont see anythong wrong with it.

With mikel people do tend to go over board. Admitted. They tend to blame all of their life's prob on him for some reason.

As for rambo, he has been a bit out of form latelt hence the criticism. But don't think anyone ezcept for batbara or lechels goes overboard in that.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

It's balanced out by the amount of love for players like Hazard, Azpi, JT, Cahill, Matic, Willian, Oscar (earlier in the season), Schurrle recently....

It's just the way our supporters are. If you're performing then you get love and if you're not then you get stick. Ramires will never get the type of stick that Mikel does because he always puts in a shift. His criticisms are based on his intelligence and his skill with the ball.

Luiz and Mikel frustrate more than any other players because they have all the technical and physical skills you need but lack the mental side, whatever you want to call it. Character?

Now Torres....here is a tragic figure. Whatever he had that made him one of the best strikers this league has ever seen, disappeared. Maybe he was robbed through injury, maybe it's just the worst psychological blow that I can remember a sportsman suffering except for maybe Tiger Woods post-affairs.

But I will simply never understand the level of hate directed at him by certain members on here, and that's why he'll get defended more than most would (going off on a tangent here but I feel it needs to be said). Maybe we're giving him a longer leash because of how much he cost and who we signed him from, maybe it's just denial. But I simply can't look at Torres decline as a footballer without thinking it's one of the great tragedies of recent sporting times. I've lost patience with the situation before, but I honestly don't think it's his fault to the extent that I wish to continually pummel the guy. The same goes for Eto'o. I don't hate the guy because he's not the pacy, powerful striker he once was. He's older now (we'll stick to him being 32) so of course he's slower. I dislike the fact he went to Russia for a paycheque and the fact we signed him, but he seems to put everything into his performances and that's all you can ask for.

Like I said it's not a response to you Choulo but at some point certain people need to lay off Torres. We all know he isn't a top striker anymore, and he probably knows it better than anyone so why keep giving him the dogs' abuse?

[zolayes 14,489]

not getting into this dicsussion ,,, merely stating the day Torres leaves I will celebrate

[Las7 951]

Like I said it's not a response to you Choulo but at some point certain people need to lay off Torres. We all know he isn't a top striker anymore, and he probably knows it better than anyone so why keep giving him the dogs' abuse?

I will tell you my personal reason for that. The Torres defenders(fanboys) have berated other players; playing in a similar position - just visit Eto'o and Ba's threads and listen to the type of posts being made about them; you could look at Sturridge's thread in the past; even Drogba was catching a lot of flack before our run to the Final in Munich.

You reap what you sow

[The only place to be 11,313]

I will tell you my personal reason for that. The Torres defenders(fanboys)

I've actually stopped reading your post to point out that this is massively unfair. Labelling people as 'fanboys' is one of the more pathetic things to do. Fingers crossed the rest of your post is a bit more mature.

have berated other players; playing in a similar position - just visit Eto'o and Ba's threads and listen to the type of posts being made about them; you could look at Sturridge's thread in the past; even Drogba was catching a lot of flack before our run to the Final in Munich.

You reap what you sow

I'm confused....are you upset with Torres or the people who defend Torres and then en masse attack other players (because apparently that's what they all do)?

Who is reaping what who has sewn? Torres or the people who defend Torres?

I can't defend all of the comments made about these players but I just think at some point it would become boring to continually criticise the guy when he's clearly deserving sympathy more than anything else. He didn't choose to lose whatever it was that made him special. He didn't choose to cost £50 million and he didn't force us to pay him whatever he makes a week.

Maybe there's just something I don't understand about the mentality of certain types of individual.

[Eligius 121]

The decline of Fernando began at Liverpool, not at Chelsea...

Cant expect someone who peaked early to have a long career at his level/standards.

Fans just need to accept his decline and move forward with the situation.

[Las7 951]

I've actually stopped reading your post to point out that this is massively unfair. Labelling people as 'fanboys' is one of the more pathetic things to do. Fingers crossed the rest of your post is a bit more mature.

I'm confused....are you upset with Torres or the people who defend Torres and then en masse attack other players (because apparently that's what they all do)?

Who is reaping what who has sewn? Torres or the people who defend Torres?

I can't defend all of the comments made about these players but I just think at some point it would become boring to continually criticise the guy when he's clearly deserving sympathy more than anything else. He didn't choose to lose whatever it was that made him special. He didn't choose to cost £50 million and he didn't force us to pay him whatever he makes a week.

Maybe there's just something I don't understand about the mentality of certain types of individual.

1) Tell me what posters like Backstreet were - football fans or Torres fanboys. It's posters like Backstreet that made me dislike Torres more than his failure in a blue shirt. You would be hard pressed to find things I've said about another Chelsea player which were not objective.

2) Torres is a professional footballer being paid 175k p/w what is written about him on a forum doesn't mean a thing to him. I've never said I dislike him as a person, I think he is just the worse example of player power at the club and also the worst example of how our board are willing to torpedo our own season for the sake of getting something out of a monumental mistake they have made in the transfer market.

3) People who defend Torres while berating other players. I made that pretty clear in my post.

4) People continuously criticize a lot of players - even if we were winning all our matches I'm sure there would have been people still moaning about something. Torres is not blameless - he made a demand to the board after our CL win and our board were more than happy to indulge him despite the obvious pitfalls of that decision.

[The only place to be 11,313]

1) Tell me what posters like Backstreet were - football fans or Torres fanboys. It's posters like Backstreet that made me dislike Torres more than his failure in a blue shirt. You would be hard pressed to find things I've said about another Chelsea player which were not objective.

2) Torres is a professional footballer being paid 175k p/w what is written about him on a forum doesn't mean a thing to him. I've never said I dislike him as a person, I think he is just the worse example of player power at the club and also the worst example of how our board are willing to torpedo our own season for the sake of getting something out of a monumental mistake they have made in the transfer market.

3) People who defend Torres while berating other players. I made that pretty clear in my post.

4) People continuously criticize a lot of players - even if we were winning all our matches I'm sure there would have been people still moaning about something. Torres is not blameless - he made a demand to the board after our CL win and our board were more than happy to indulge him despite the obvious pitfalls of that decision.

1. He was an idiot. R.I.P.

2. He didn't ask to be paid that much though. It kinda comes with the territory of being a £50 million footballer. The whole thing is showbusiness, so I suppose a bit of pantomime is to be expected.

3. I'll defend Torres to a certain extent and moan about other players, but that's because you hold players to different standards. I genuinely think he's trying to be the best footballer he can be but he's just lost that X factor he once had. Ramires is in a similar situation - he tries his hardest but he's technically limited. It's players like Luiz and Mikel who are the most frustrating because they have potential but seem to lack the concentration or will to be the best they can be.

4. I always felt it was tough for him to come into a club that already had an established striker like Didier who was such a presence. That was good in some ways but in terms of building for the future it probably left us at a slight disadvantage. That to me is the board's fault though, not Torres's.

The whole Torres transfer was a mess, but fortunately it's something that we simply don't do anymore. Yes he's still here but we're run differently and that's why it's important to look to the future. But I think that Torres gets far too much of the blame for the mistakes of our board.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

This is clearly not an anti-Chelsea forum! You can tell by how the users stick for Chelsea itself instead of the players (most of them at least). Players who are playing well get a praise because they are doing good for Chelsea. We then talk about how annoying some bad players in Chelsea are since they are doing bad for Chelsea. Most of us want whats best for Chelsea, and not the players.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

This is clearly not an anti-Chelsea forum! You can tell by how the users stick for Chelsea itself instead of the players (most of them at least). Players who are playing well get a praise because they are doing good for Chelsea. We then talk about how annoying some bad players in Chelsea are since they are doing bad for Chelsea. Most of us want whats best for Chelsea, and not the players.

I'm not entirely sure after seeing the last few pages of this thread...If you disregard the fact that the fellow who played up front for us against Fulham had the name Torres, almost everyone would say he had a decent performance for a forward, challenging the keeper, getting shots on target and providing an assist. Not comment after comment about how he should take the next flight back to Spain.

[haranr 485]

OUUUTTTTT OOOUUUTTTTTTT !!!! HOW THE FUCK IS HE STILL IN OUR CLUB

[hjperdeath 2,226]

OUUUTTTTT OOOUUUTTTTTTT !!!! HOW THE FUCK IS HE STILL IN OUR CLUB

cause thankfully you aren't in charge...

[YouNameIt 1,511]

cause thankfully you aren't in charge...

Are u saying you want Torres to stay in Chelsea? If so then PLEASE tell us why because that'll be very interesting reading.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Are u saying you want Torres to stay in Chelsea? If so then PLEASE tell us why because that'll be very interesting reading.

I didn't say I want him to stay. Who in their right mind would do that?

[didierforever 7,349]

HOW THE FUCK IS HE STILL IN OUR CLUB

FT9 is still here cos of FFP (contrary to popular belief). its easier said that "get him off the wage bill" as he would make room plus we "can use his transfer funds for another striker" but the reality is absolutely different.

when we amortize FT's transfer fee (50mil) over his contract (5.5 years) it comes close to 9 mil per season. Plus lets say his wages are 10 mil.

hence for the whole 2013-14 season FT costed us 19mil.

if suppose FT was sold in this summer (2013 summer). then he balance value (27 million for the left 3 years of his contract would have been charged on us thru FFP). plus suppose we sold him for 10mil. hence incurring a loss of 17mil, and also losing a striker. now if we had bought someone for 30mil at 6mil wages, he would have costed us another 12mil for this season, hence bringing the total cost of one striker upto close to 30mil for one season compared to the 19 mil torres is costing us for the season.

now, if we sell him in 2014 summer, he would cost us 18mil. again lets say he was sold for 10mil,hence a loss of 8mil. plus suppose we buy costa/mandzukic for 30mil at 6/7mil per year wages, then the total account for one striker comes upto be 8+6+6=20mil, compared to the 19mil he will cost us next season.

hence, let us give our board a little respect and benefit of doubt or atleast not ridicule them for what they are doing.

[mediator 2,026]

FT9 is still here cos of FFP (contrary to popular belief). its easier said that "get him off the wage bill" as he would make room plus we "can use his transfer funds for another striker" but the reality is absolutely different.

when we amortize FT's transfer fee (50mil) over his contract (5.5 years) it comes close to 9 mil per season. Plus lets say his wages are 10 mil.

hence for the whole 2013-14 season FT costed us 19mil.

if suppose FT was sold in this summer (2013 summer). then he balance value (27 million for the left 3 years of his contract would have been charged on us thru FFP). plus suppose we sold him for 10mil. hence incurring a loss of 17mil, and also losing a striker. now if we had bought someone for 30mil at 6mil wages, he would have costed us another 12mil for this season, hence bringing the total cost of one striker upto close to 30mil for one season compared to the 19 mil torres is costing us for the season.

now, if we sell him in 2014 summer, he would cost us 18mil. again lets say he was sold for 10mil,hence a loss of 8mil. plus suppose we buy costa/mandzukic for 30mil at 6/7mil per year wages, then the total account for one striker comes upto be 8+6+6=20mil, compared to the 19mil he will cost us next season.

hence, let us give our board a little respect and benefit of doubt or atleast not ridicule them for what they are doing.

Not true the remaining value of the fee is cleared once someone is sold

[didierforever 7,349]

Not true the remaining value of the fee is cleared once someone is sold

i know. and i have included the remaining value if u read carefully, infact i have even explained it

then his balance value (27 million for the left 3 years of his contract would have been charged on us thru FFP)

[haranr 485]

cause thankfully you aren't in charge...

TORRESSS OUTTT