OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 If Torres should play against us in Europe, I hope no one will boo him. He should never have been signed, we know that. Once he was signed he should not have been selected as often as he was. We know that too, but none of this was his fault. Promises were made to Torres in order to persuade him to join. The club the decision to bring him here and the club made those promises. This entire mess is the club's fault. I hope we will continue to show up other clubs in the way we treat our ex-players with respect. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I can't believe it, Ex-blues. Oh how I dreamt this moment Las7, RoyalBlues and MichaelDance 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 May 2014:Costa in Atletico and Torres with us.Six months later....Costa with us and Torres in Atletico.The life take many turns....... many good turns, guys . RoyalBlues and Kieran. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Not the wages but the transfer fee which is amortized on FFP. When he was on loan he was still technically our player even if he won't play another game for us, so the remaining fee was divided between this year's and next year's books. Now, it'll all count in this year's balance on FFP. I wonder if it's reasonable for us to speculate that the club must have negotiated some sort of compensation for this? Reading between the lines of some authoritative sounding news items, it seems Milan were paying €3.1m of Torres's annual salary, with Chelsea obviously picking up the rest. Maybe Torres has agreed to wave at least a part of what he's owed by Chelsea in order to make this deal happen. If so that would be our payback for agreeing to take an £18.2m hit in this season's FFP numbers rather than £9.1m this season and £9.1m next.It doesn't really matter much either way since we would have had to pay the full amount eventually but I'm sure there was a point in the negotiations when Marina looked across the table and asked, "What's in it for us if we sign off on this deal?" Hopefully the answer was a million or two off the total bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I never thought this day would come. The longest 3.5 years ever but goodluck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanSnake 1,211 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Any Transfer fee or are we letting him for free?TBH i don't blame Milan wanting no transfer fee with his form Good luck back in Spain Nando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I wonder if it's reasonable for us to speculate that the club must have negotiated some sort of compensation for this? Reading between the lines of some authoritative sounding news items, it seems Milan were paying Torres €3.1m pa with Chelsea obviously picking up the rest. Maybe Torres has agreed to wave at least a part of what he's owed by Chelsea in order to make this deal happen. If so that would be our payback for agreeing to take an extra £9.1m hit in this season's FFP numbers.It doesn't really matter much either way since we would have had to pay the full amount eventually but I'm sure there was a point in the negotiations when Marina looked across the table and asked, "What's in it for us if we sign off on this deal?" Hopefully the answer was a million or two off the total bill.The club has really not let much slip out in this one. Even the figures of how much we and Milan were paying of his wages were contradictory from one source to another and some were even saying that Milan were paying all of his wages (Telegraph, IIRC). Obviously now we have all of his wages off of the balance sheet because he is a Milan player on loan at Atleti. I suspect he did take a wage cut to go back there, because I can't see Atleti paying him 10m/yr nor can I see Milan still paying some of his current wages while he is in Spain because that would be terrible deal from their perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 THANK fuck the nightmare is nearly over RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The club has really not let much slip out in this one. Even the figures of how much we and Milan were paying of his wages were contradictory from one source to another and some were even saying that Milan were paying all of his wages (Telegraph, IIRC). Obviously now we have all of his wages off of the balance sheet because he is a Milan player on loan at Atleti. I suspect he did take a wage cut to go back there, because I can't see Atleti paying him 10m/yr nor can I see Milan still paying some of his current wages while he is in Spain because that would be terrible deal from their perspective. Indeed the source I'm recollecting did say that Milan were paying Torres's wages of €3.1m pa, implying that this represented his total salary. Obviously all of us here know better, so I just speculated that the quoted figure was in fact Milan's share of Nando's base salary.As for the wages being completely off the books, I'd be quite surprised if that was so. It's common practice for clubs to offer a pay-off when they want to move players on. Those negotiations would usually start with the player asking for the full balance due on his contract, plus an amount to cover projected bonuses. The fact that Torres seems to want to go home will have given Chelsea some good cards to play in those discussions so I'm sure we will have negotiated a discount on that figure. I can't believe we'd have got away scot free however.Any amount we did agree to pay Torres would still count against FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Indeed the source I'm recollecting did say that Milan were paying Torres's wages of €3.1m pa, implying that this represented his total salary. Obviously all of us here know better, so I just speculated that the quoted figure was in fact Milan's share of Nando's base salary.As for the wages being completely off the books, I'd be quite surprised if that was so. It's common practice for clubs to offer a pay-off when they want to move players on. Those negotiations would usually start with the player asking for the full balance due on his contract, plus an amount to cover projected bonuses. I'm sure Chelsea will have negotiated a discount on that figure but I can't believe we'd have got away scot free. Whatever we did agree to pay him would still be charged against FFP.That raises another question, did we terminate his contract or was he sold for a zero fee to Milan? If it's the first then he probably did get some sort of pay off, but even that I would imagine would be different from wages in FFP, but are obviously still expenses that count in the balance.If it's the latter, then I don't think we'd still be paying him anything because I doubt that a player can still be receiving wages from his previous club when he is no longer affiliated with it in any manner. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Who gives a fuck? He is gone. HE IS GONE. OneMoSalah, MichaelDance and RoyalBlues 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/12/27/7455227/fernando-torres-sale-ac-milan-chelsea-finances-ffp mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDance 552 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 To be honest we thought Torres was bad, Utd paid 9M+ more for Angel Di Maria and he's played 11/12 and only scored 3 haha. But yeah glad his gone from us. We can now move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDance 552 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/12/27/7455227/fernando-torres-sale-ac-milan-chelsea-finances-ffpNot bad we can afford to pay it off now so we might as-well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! gary gordon 1,777 Posted December 28, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted December 28, 2014 Not only is this a momentous day for getting rid of Torres, but also for getting rid of the Torres fan boys too. If i see one more tribute video containing "the miss" , I'll fucking kill myself. Good riddance to both. didierforever, OneMoSalah, manpe and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Yes, finally He could play for any club and score when he want, I don't care. He is not our player anymore. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Did we get a fee? In fact fuck it he is gone fuck the fee, no more 175k or whatever for someone who was useless for us. Simeone has worked miracles but he has a fucking challenge and a half on his hands. MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Madmax 9,219 Posted December 28, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted December 28, 2014 I can handle shitty players but I cannot handle shitty players with an entitlement problem and this makes him the only Chelsea player I absolutely cannot even remotely begin to like, let alone respect (Bogarde was before my time). So good riddance and thanks for nothing. gary gordon, OneMoSalah, zolayes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I can handle shitty players but I cannot handle shitty players with an entitlement problem and this makes him the only Chelsea player I absolutely cannot even remotely begin to like, let alone respect (Bogarde was before my time). So good riddance and thanks for nothing. Bogarde was a joke but at least we got him on a free ,,, agree with your feelings about Torres ,,, He was only EVER concernedabout HIMSELF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Bogarde was a joke but at least we got him on a free ,,, agree with your feelings about Torres ,,, He was only EVER concernedabout HIMSELFIf I remember rightly Bogarde atleast had the self respect to carry on training and keep himself in a decent shape for Ranieri to have a u turn if he ever choose to.If Torres was ever put in the same situation it would surprise me if he even did that given his attitude with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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