🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Tomo 21,751]

off topic just wondering but when we sold d.sturridge to Liverpool did we insert a buy-back clause ??

Doubt it, would have been interesting to see what Jose would have done with him having said that.

[nore_ega 8]

Doubt it, would have been interesting to see what Jose would have done with him having said that.

How could they not the board haven't they learned anything from Barcelona Selling such a talent without a buy-back clause bad move. he would have been our main man up front because he knows where the back of the net is plus he would fit in jose mourinho's new philosophy to nurture Young talent

[Barbara 15,149]

the things I read in this thread

Torres sucks, no one will scream this louder than me. Still he's the best (or the less worse) option we have.

I want to see people here blaming Lukaku, Eden, Kevin, André who had all missed sitters before when they do it again while our defence gives away 2-0 margins like in the Juventus match... It doesn't matter how many goals we score if we concede just as many or even more. And pls, one of those QPR matches was a horror show. Bring in Messi to score us the winner and we would still look bad for struggling so much against a side everyone but us raped throughout the season.

Torres was at fault. He continues to be at fault. But Ba didn't fit in (yet or never is still to be known). Lukaku is still raw. Add limited (one - maybe two - pony trick) and clumsy to that and we already have problem. But that's not only all... only a blind (or delusional denial) can't see he's already feeling the pressure (been nervous, erratic, and even stupid in some of this decisions in the past 3 matches). The goal he did score was going to be far well wide had the defender not blocked it and pushed the ball into the net. And let's not forget the boy is 20! I don't expect a 20yo boy to solve a problem we've had FOR YEARS.

Drogba did win that UCL for us, along with Cech and our defence, but look at his stats (actually all our strikers') on EPL lately. It's been hideous, but I'll spare you the work. Didier: 2010/11: 11G, 13A (the assists were fair decent, I'll give that); 2011/12 5G, 1A. In both seasons our top scorer in the league had respectively 13G 4A and 11G 3A. Didier is a genius though and a special guy who scored capital goals for us, but it doesn't change the fact we've had strikers issues for years now. And if a finished product (of highest quality) doesn't come until September 2nd we'll continue to have for at least another season...

So if Rooney whoever doesn't come, sorry to inform, we'll have to continue to rely mainly on Torres (and that's progress from relying only on him) because Lukaku isn't ready as all of you here seem to believe.

The same argument used for people celebrating when Torres scores - I really don't get why we shouldn't... it doesn't matter if it's out of pity, anger, sadness or whatever, he plays with a Chelsea shirt of course I'm going to celebrate it! Was I suppose to be mad or hate it? - applies to expecting Lukaku to save the day: it's because we pity ourselves. Well, or so at least I feel like most people have their hopes high about a 20yo that is definitely not ready for the same reason. We use those things to comfort ourselves about the obvious and awful truth: our attack force is poor for a team our level. Just compare us to both Man teams, Arsenal and even Liverpool. They have at least one guy that goes there and gets the ball in when they need it. Most of them have more than one quality guy to do that.

Last season we didn't have this guy, right now we continue not to have this guy. The good news is that last season in addition to that, we had our defence gifting goals away and hopefully now it'll be a different story.

So yeah, it makes me really disappointed (on the board, Roman, etc...) that we'll probably play another season with the same issue we've been having for a few years while they seem to watch idly or simply not get the right guy.

I do hope to be wrong about Lukaku though. I do hope he gets over the emotional barrier is clear he has now and that he improves in a few areas enough to give us a fair amount of goals. Because without both things he will be Torres 2.0 (scoring some goals, but maybe not the ones we need him to score) for the simply fact that it's damn right tougher scoring in a team like Chelsea than in a team like West Brom because opponents don't play as deep against the likes of Brom as they do against a team that has the attacking midfield we have. Teams don't 'respect' or fear WBA as they respect and fear us, especially when there's a tactician in our dugout... and that tactician alone makes the opposition get a deeper and heavier lineup because they don't want to be surprised by great tactics. Add Hazard, Mata, KDB, André and even Moses and Oscar to the mix and of course they'll come to us as closed and tight as a virgin.

I wonder how Lukaku will do against that compared to looser opposition he played while in West Brom. There were already many of you moaning about Real Madrid (!) and Roma having good defenders marking him... yeah... because that's not how most teams play against us, is it? And moaning about having defenders marking a striker is such a poor excuse. It's the striker's responsibility to work it around and get things done. That's what separates a top potential and a top talent to use the words José did earlier this season. So if some of you excused Lukaku ghost appearances in those matches (and also Milan's) I wonder if you're prepared to use the same excuse for about 20 of our fixtures on EPL... or will you turn against the boy in let's say 10 rounds from now?

I want to believe Lukaku will solve our problems, just like you all already do. I just think it's far fetched. As much as Mourinho fixing Torres is. At the end of the day our striking force sucks. The only positive thing about it is that in a couple of years Lukaku could be the definite answer to that. He isn't now though. So I'm preparing myself to rely on Eden, Kevin, Lamps, Mata, Oscar, André, etc... because those guys will probably get us 40-50 goals and those might be the ones that will save the day. I do hope Torres, Lukaku and Ba score what we need to. I don't care who the fuq scores because they all play in Blue, so the guy I'm clapping to is indifferent.

Sometimes I feel like 80% of this forum wants (and takes pleasure in) Torres to fail because there are other few explanations left to stress and laugh (and sometimes even celebrate) at his failure... one would think it isn't Chelsea failing...

[Tomo 21,751]

Sometimes I feel like 80% of this forum wants (and takes pleasure in) Torres to fail because there are other few explanations left to stress and laugh (and sometimes even celebrate) at his failure... one would think it isn't Chelsea failing...

You can't be serious? i would love Torres to all off a sudden replicate his Liverpool form, (something resembling of a footballer even would do), but it's quite clear it will never happen.

[nore_ega 8]

the things I read in this thread

Torres sucks, no one will scream this louder than me. Still he's the best (or the less worse) option we have.

I want to see people here blaming Lukaku, Eden, Kevin, André who had all missed sitters before when they do it again while our defence gives away 2-0 margins like in the Juventus match... It doesn't matter how many goals we score if we concede just as many or even more. And pls, one of those QPR matches was a horror show. Bring in Messi to score us the winner and we would still look bad for struggling so much against a side everyone but us raped throughout the season.

Torres was at fault. He continues to be at fault. But Ba didn't fit in (yet or never is still to be known). Lukaku is still raw. Add limited (one - maybe two - pony trick) and clumsy to that and we already have problem. But that's not only all... only a blind (or delusional denial) can't see he's already feeling the pressure (been nervous, erratic, and even stupid in some of this decisions in the past 3 matches). The goal he did score was going to be far well wide had the defender not blocked it and pushed the ball into the net. And let's not forget the boy is 20! I don't expect a 20yo boy to solve a problem we've had FOR YEARS.

Drogba did win that UCL for us, along with Cech and our defence, but look at his stats (actually all our strikers') on EPL lately. It's been hideous, but I'll spare you the work. Didier: 2010/11: 11G, 13A (the assists were fair decent, I'll give that); 2011/12 5G, 1A. In both seasons our top scorer in the league had respectively 13G 4A and 11G 3A. Didier is a genius though and a special guy who scored capital goals for us, but it doesn't change the fact we've had strikers issues for years now. And if a finished product (of highest quality) doesn't come until September 2nd we'll continue to have for at least another season...

So if Rooney whoever doesn't come, sorry to inform, we'll have to continue to rely mainly on Torres (and that's progress from relying only on him) because Lukaku isn't ready as all of you here seem to believe.

The same argument used for people celebrating when Torres scores - I really don't get why we shouldn't... it doesn't matter if it's out of pity, anger, sadness or whatever, he plays with a Chelsea shirt of course I'm going to celebrate it! Was I suppose to be mad or hate it? - applies to expecting Lukaku to save the day: it's because we pity ourselves. Well, or so at least I feel like most people have their hopes high about a 20yo that is definitely not ready for the same reason. We use those things to comfort ourselves about the obvious and awful truth: our attack force is poor for a team our level. Just compare us to both Man teams, Arsenal and even Liverpool. They have at least one guy that goes there and gets the ball in when they need it. Most of them have more than one quality guy to do that.

Last season we didn't have this guy, right now we continue not to have this guy. The good news is that last season in addition to that, we had our defence gifting goals away and hopefully now it'll be a different story.

So yeah, it makes me really disappointed (on the board, Roman, etc...) that we'll probably play another season with the same issue we've been having for a few years while they seem to watch idly or simply not get the right guy.

I do hope to be wrong about Lukaku though. I do hope he gets over the emotional barrier is clear he has now and that he improves in a few areas enough to give us a fair amount of goals. Because without both things he will be Torres 2.0 (scoring some goals, but maybe not the ones we need him to score) for the simply fact that it's damn right tougher scoring in a team like Chelsea than in a team like West Brom because opponents don't play as deep against the likes of Brom as they do against a team that has the attacking midfield we have. Teams don't 'respect' or fear WBA as they respect and fear us, especially when there's a tactician in our dugout... and that tactician alone makes the opposition get a deeper and heavier lineup because they don't want to be surprised by great tactics. Add Hazard, Mata, KDB, André and even Moses and Oscar to the mix and of course they'll come to us as closed and tight as a virgin.

I wonder how Lukaku will do against that compared to looser opposition he played while in West Brom. There were already many of you moaning about Real Madrid (!) and Roma having good defenders marking him... yeah... because that's not how most teams play against us, is it? And moaning about having defenders marking a striker is such a poor excuse. It's the striker's responsibility to work it around and get things done. That's what separates a top potential and a top talent to use the words José did earlier this season. So if some of you excused Lukaku ghost appearances in those matches (and also Milan's) I wonder if you're prepared to use the same excuse for about 20 of our fixtures on EPL... or will you turn against the boy in let's say 10 rounds from now?

I want to believe Lukaku will solve our problems, just like you all already do. I just think it's far fetched. As much as Mourinho fixing Torres is. At the end of the day our striking force sucks. The only positive thing about it is that in a couple of years Lukaku could be the definite answer to that. He isn't now though. So I'm preparing myself to rely on Eden, Kevin, Lamps, Mata, Oscar, André, etc... because those guys will probably get us 40-50 goals and those might be the ones that will save the day. I do hope Torres, Lukaku and Ba score what we need to. I don't care who the fuq scores because they all play in Blue, so the guy I'm clapping to is indifferent.

Sometimes I feel like 80% of this forum wants (and takes pleasure in) Torres to fail because there are other few explanations left to stress and laugh (and sometimes even celebrate) at his failure... one would think it isn't Chelsea failing...

completely agree our striker situation suck. 3 strikers and none of them can you rely on. Sturridge would have been a problem solver.

[Barbara 15,149]

You can't be serious? i would love Torres to all off a sudden replicate his Liverpool form, (something resembling of a footballer even would do), but it's quite clear it will never happen.

it's not those posts. I also don't believe he will ever be what he was. Actually I don't believe he will even improve considerably under Mourinho (although you won't see me saying it every other week).

It's not about the prospect, but the stressing and laughs and jokes and the let's-make-Torres-look-worse-than-he-is and go mute when he does something good.

ITA about his prospect hence why I said our strike force sucks (relatively).

[Mceachran 109]

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

[Tomo 21,751]

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

Hard working Torres? you mean the one that shrugs his shoulders and barely moves? Id take someone that actually scores goals any day.

[Tomo 21,751]

Yes. Hard-working Torres. A blind rat that has watched our matches would be able to see how much he tries to do his best for the team. If you'd have said that a few months back, I'd have agreed with you somewhat, though.

Just because of that, and the fact that he's Blue, regardless of everything else, he'll continue to have my support. He may not score the goals, but the spirit he exhibits most of the times now really helps the entire team in more ways than one. This is a guy who tries to give his best even though so many think he can't anymore, and I for one respect that.

Every one will support him in games, doesn't mean we have to blind faith in him, i play for a team were we have a player who can barely control a ball, we support and encourage him but we don't pretend he isn't the worst player in our team by a mile.

He can be hard working when he wants to be, but he isn't consistent at it, many, many matches he is invisible, he is mentally weak aswell, he crumbled at Anfield to the chorus of boos, now compare that to the way Ashley Cole gets off on the abuse he gets at The Emirates?

When i go to SB i keep a close eye on him, and while he has his moments, all it takes is one moment where he doesn't get a pass to feat, slips over or loses the ball far to easily and he goes into hiding, it happens all to often.

Plus his over-all attitude is shocking, while the rest of the team were celebrating being a European champion, he was sulking to the media that he didn't start ahead of Didier Drogba and seeked assurances he would be the main man next season? i mean seriously, after the 18 months he just had, he should have been on his knees to the board begging not to go the same way as Malouda. Then there was his tunnel strop at Loftus Road followed by what (for me) was the straw that broke the camels back, the he didn't care comment. Have i not also mentioned he used the service excuse himself? now you can imagine that coming from his most blinkered fan, but the man himself?

If he accepted he hasn't been good enough and did everything he can to change that (like Sheva did) i would have nothing but admiration for him, but he seems to want everything on a plate, i find it hard enough seeing a great player with an ego, let alone a crap one.

[didierforever 7,349]

hard working Torres

hard-working TORRES - perfect example of a paradox...

[Mouri_Matic 560]

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

No.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Doubt it, would have been interesting to see what Jose would have done with him having said that.

Jose would've loved Sturridge IMO.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

Torres? Hard working? Hehehehehe.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yes. Hard-working Torres. A blind rat that has watched our matches would be able to see how much he tries to do his best for the team. If you'd have said that a few months back, I'd have agreed with you somewhat, though.

Just because of that, and the fact that he's Blue, regardless of everything else, he'll continue to have my support. He may not score the goals, but the spirit he exhibits most of the times now really helps the entire team in more ways than one. This is a guy who tries to give his best even though so many think he can't anymore, and I for one respect that.

hard working torres - i am sure only a BLIND RAT that has watched our matches would say that.

hard-working and torres, blind and watched - paradox of paradoxes.

[yuvala 2,167]

He's just a different player.. it's amazing how this happened to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z7DPWzmwd8

[nore_ega 8]

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

I'll take a hard working Torres over that selfish prick Sturridge any day.

where is that jordan gif when you need it ?? hard working torres hahhaha I can't stop laughing right now joke of the year.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

ban yourself.

Why, because you disagree with me? For Chelsea last season, out of Sturridge, Torres and Ba, Torres was our best striker. Sturridge got few chances, but the odd game he got at CF (ie Blackburn away), he was fucking dire, and people soon got used to the idea of him being second-choice.

And also I presume you're saying that because unlike you I don't think Drogba was the best thing since sliced bread. Any post I make about Drogba with even the slightest criticism of the player, you jump all over me. You ought to learn to construct an argument with analysis and evidence rather than saying "ban yourself" for attempted comedic effect.

[Reddish-Blue 2,505]

Why, because you disagree with me? For Chelsea last season, out of Sturridge, Torres and Ba, Torres was our best striker. Sturridge got few chances, but the odd game he got at CF (ie Blackburn away), he was fucking dire, and people soon got used to the idea of him being second-choice.

And also I presume you're saying that because unlike you I don't think Drogba was the best thing since sliced bread. Any post I make about Drogba with even the slightest criticism of the player, you jump all over me. You ought to learn to construct an argument with analysis and evidence rather than saying "ban yourself" for attempted comedic effect.

That's the most worrying thing about last season...Torres was our best striker.

He got to start 28 games in the PL last season and managed a pathetic return of 8 goals.

If we gave Sturridge 28 starts with a bit of confidence that he wouldn't be dropped the following game, he'd be able to score more than 8 goals...same with Ba.

Torres has been given plenty of time to settle in at the club and he has failed to deliver in the PL...the only competition where he has looked good is the Europa league..against surprise, surprise average defenders.

I just hope Mourinho can help Torres score more than 8 PL goals this season.

[Amblève. 4,995]

The most depressing aspect about this thread is that it's still not in the "Ex Blues" section, smh.

[Amblève. 4,995]

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