xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 He's not a big game player. Used to be, not anymore.Euro Final?// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I was answering his question, did not intend to prove he played well.Yeah but the point behind the question was not to get an answer but to point out that Torres had minimal influence on our season. That, imo, is still valid despite your answer. TorontoChelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yeah but the point behind the question was not to get an answer but to point out that Torres had minimal influence on our season. That, imo, is still valid despite your answer.Of course, we played close to 60 games or something and he directly affected the result of maybe 7. Clearly not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 No. He only scored 1 goal against Swansea, which was the first goal of that game and we won 4-1 in the end.Well, then there comes a dispute about what a game winning goal is. It can either be defined as the goal that puts the team in front for good (which Torres' goal did in this case) or the goal that would have been the difference in the final score (which was Ramires in this case.) To me, the stat in this sort of case is basically semantics. Who cares who scored the first or second goal in a 4-1 win? A real game winning goal is scoring the decisive goal in a close match. Scoring the only goal in a 1-0 game, scoring a late goal to put you ahead 2-1, that sort of thing. Also, tying goals are incredibly important, a late goal to give you a point is vital. And no, Torres hasn't scored a real winning or tying goal with Chelsea. I'll have a look at the goals I consider important winning and tying goals.In the league:Winning goals (goals that put Chelsea from level to winning for good in close games so going up 2-1 late, but not going up 2-0 and then conceding a goal.)Malouda (Late winner against WBA), Lampard (Scored winner in 82nd minute against Norwich), Lampard (only goal against Blackburn), Lampard (89th minute winner against Wolves) ,Lampard (only goal against Sunderland), Lampard (Winner on penalty against City), Drogba (only goal against Stoke), Ivanovic (83rd minute winner against Villa), Mata (only goal against QPR), Mata (90th minute winner against Wigan), Drogba (1-0 goal against Newcastle which stayed that way until 89th minute)Tying goals (goals that put Chelsea from down to level for good)Sturridge (tying goal against Spurs), Neil Taylor (OG off of, what I think was a Bosingwa cross, Swansea 1-1)In other comps (Considering the CL knockouts over 2 legs):Winners:Luiz (Leverkusen won 2-0 but were up 1-0 until the 90th), Mata (1-0, QPR-FA Cup), Sturridge (extra time winner against Everton in CC), Ivanovic (Napoli aggregate win), Kalou (1-0 Benfica), Drogba, (Barcelona), Ramires (Barcelona, put us ahead on aggregate and gave us away goal)Tying goals:Sturridge (1-1 Birmingham FA Cup), Drogba (Bayern)It's possible I missed a game or two and it's possible to disagree with my definition of winning goal, but I do think it's interesting...(Frank Lampard=Legend! Five winning goals in the league and even if you take away the two that were penalties, he still had more than any other player.) And no...Torres didn't score a single one of these goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 ^They did this (sort of) analysis on WAGNH a couple months ago. Great stuff.GCA = Game changing assist. GCG = Game changing goal. francozola, TorontoChelsea and capriccioso 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 One thing Chelsea and RDM have to realize. No matter how inconvenient, we have to make sure our playing style complements Torres. Not because I want Torres to do well, but because if we don't have a consistent threat in the middle we're going to be in trouble. We need to make sure we get Torres firing for Chelsea's sake more than anything.I do think this is very much possible, especially with Hazard I think. I think Torres will benefit from Hazard more than Mata because Hazard is a lot more direct than Mata.I also think Lampard is smart enough and a good enough player to adapt his game to Torres' playing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 ^They did this (sort of) analysis on WAGNH a couple months ago. Great stuff.GCA = Game changing assist. GCG = Game changing goal.Damn, that would have saved me some time! Obviously, the definitions are somewhat loose but no matter what the conclusions will be the pretty much the same. (Frank Lampard is always a legend!!) Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago. 1,500 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Euro Final?//2008? Hence me saying, used. If meaning 2012 you are misleading the definition, i mean 'big game player' as in he steps up when others don't, IE winning goal, he does however provide a big influence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 If one more member of TC or TV pundit mentions Torres 'lacking confidence' I'll probably vomit. How mch more confidence can you get from winning the Euros, winning the Golden Boot, scoring in the final and assisting a mate's goals? Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 In the last few months, Torres has been in decent form. Does my head in when someone still says he's lacking confidence when since RDM he's performed quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 ^They did this (sort of) analysis on WAGNH a couple months ago. Great stuff.GCA = Game changing assist. GCG = Game changing goal.Cheers for this, gonna copy it into the Sturridge thread if you don't mind. TorontoChelsea and Sheva. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tomo 21,751 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I hope he comes good but there is no excuses for the goal drought he went through last season.Last summer there were genuine valid excuses for him likeNo service, No proper break for 4 years, Not settled and moved into London yet, Not had a proper pre season as a Chelsea player.3 of those excuses were wiped out by default in pre season last summer and the other was when Juan Mata was signed.I hope he comes good but these excuses as why he has been below par for us are over a year out off date, last summer they were valid this summer they ain't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I cant wait to get in your faces when Torres shines in the upcoming season. And the funny part is, when he does, all haters will be cheering for him then instead.Big big difference between hating and not joining the bandwagon of cringe worthy excuses.For example I wasn't convinced when Ancelotti was first appointed, didn't think he was the right man for the job, does that mean i didn't deserve to be delighted when i was proved wrong and ultimately won the double? DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Big big difference between hating and not joining the bandwagon of cringe worthy excuses.For example I wasn't convinced when Ancelotti was first appointed, didn't think he was the right man for the job, does that mean i didn't deserve to be delighted when i was proved wrong and ultimately won the double?Well said! I mean you are allowed to be annoyed and fed up with a player your club has paid 50 million pounds for and he isn't performing to the best of his abilities or even half of that. Then if the player turns his form around and starts playing to his best ability, we as fans can then be delighted with him despite having voiced a ridiculous frustration when criticizing the player. It's football, it's emotional and you can be pissed of with a player if he is playing shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I heard Torres will be showing off his Euro 2012 Golden Boot before the Atletico game in the Uefa Super Cup Final. That will be a nice occasion for Nando. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Big big difference between hating and not joining the bandwagon of cringe worthy excuses.For example I wasn't convinced when Ancelotti was first appointed, didn't think he was the right man for the job, does that mean i didn't deserve to be delighted when i was proved wrong and ultimately won the double?No, of course not. But if you would sit here and talk shit about Ancelotti, say he wont make it, that he's worthless etc and then after he proved to be successfull go like "Goodbye Ancelotti, thanks for your time, we love you" that to me would be someone who just goes along when the wind is blowing in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I heard Torres will be showing off his Euro 2012 Golden Boot before the Atletico game in the Uefa Super Cup Final. That will be a nice occasion for Nando.Don't care about that. Him scoring goals for us is much more important! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Don't care about that. Him scoring goals for us is much more important!Obviously it is...however, showing off the Golden Boot before a match between an ex-team that he adores (and fans adore him) and his current team is an occasion worth noting. jmarlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Don't care about that. Him scoring goals for us is much more important!you dont say. headhunter23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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