Champions League Thread

[Superblue 6,372]

Always going to be a hard draw regardless but that's the whole point of the Champions League - to challenge yourself against the best on offer. 

When things click for Bayern they look devastating but they also haven't been firing on all cylinders this season and have been caught flat a couple of times. The winter break will allow them to be fresh but will it leave them under-cooked? 

It's far more important for us at present to arrest our drop in form. If we're in good nick though come February we could pose them a few problems ourselves.

[LAM09 7,051]

As much as Atalanta would have been the easier tie, it's arguably better to be knocked out by Bayern than Atalanta. 

It's better for us to be underdogs than favourites, especially with this squad.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Yeah because if we finished first in the group, the draw would still end up exactly like this and we would play Atalanta.

Riiight. Because thats how things work

[Vesper 30,175]

1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

Oh goodie...

I just hope we don't pull a Spuds 2 7 at SB

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Fingers crossed we have a recognised back line by then...

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

It's CL, whether we are drawing against Atalanta or Mars best football club, the odds is still 50:50. Also the january transfer window will change everything. Chill.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

2 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

 Also the january transfer window will change everything. Chill.

Will it?

[killer1257 3,282]

Yes, I wanted Bayern or Leipzig to face us. Bayern is a good draw. They have a lot of defensive problems like us, so it will be pretty even from the defensive point of view. Both defences are shit.
Offensive wise , Lewandowski is a Killer, but he is also not a big game Player. Lets hope he bottles it like he usually does in big games

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[Blue Armour 4,439]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

And of course Mourinho and Spurs got RB Leipzig! 

Well RB Leipzig are higher than Bayern in the table. And we saw how Spurs did against Bayern..

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Vesper 30,175]

51 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

bring those fuckers on!

I am up for whatever happens at this point

it isn't like a team can go deep into the CL without beating top 10 teams in the world anyway

I SO wish CHO had not ripped up his Achilles and went on (he still technically can, just not at current form) to destroy them!

 

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Yeah because if we finished first in the group, the draw would still end up exactly like this and we would play Atalanta.

Riiight. Because thats how things work

Yeah...but based on how the draw panned out, there was a good chance that we could have drawn Atalanta had we finished 1st instead. Atalanta v Valencia was the third tie drawn. Dortmund could have played either us or Valencia, so that didn't matter. Only the second tie could have changed things because Real Madrid finished 2nd and couldn't face Valencia but could have gotten us. 

[Vesper 30,175]

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, I wanted Bayern or Leipzig to face us. Bayern is a good draw. They have a lot of defensive problems like us, so it will be pretty even from the defensive point of view. Both defences are shit.
Offensive wise , Lewandowski is a Killer, but he is also not a big game Player. Lets hope he bottles it like he usually does in big games

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A huge reason they have defensive issues is that they have 2 top 10 or so in the world CB's out injured (Niklas Süle out for the year and Lucas Hernández (who is also a top 3 in world LB) out with a broken ankle until February) They are using fullbacks (they have the best group in the world there, as Victimpool have zero depth) and even their only true DMF to cover. The one non-injury massive weak spot is at DMF, Javi Martínez is past his prime, and Kimmich is wasted there. They are mad if they do at least make a play for a crunching DMF in January (I am terrified they grab Thomas for only £42m)

 

Those fullbacks (when all are healthy) are insane

LB David Alaba (2nd best LB in the world (after Robertson), and maybe wants to leave in the summer)

LB Lucas Hernández (3rd best LB in the world, I would probably take him over the number 4, Chilwell (very close, and Chilwell is young (although only 10 months younger, lolol) so can go past him as a LB, but his CB ability deffo tips the scale to Lucas), and also a top 10 CB)

LB Alphonso Davies (their future, a teen who already looks a beast)

RB Kimmich (2nd best RB in the world, can play DMF and CB as well)

RB Benjamin Pavard (top 10 in the world RB, and also a top 25 CB)

holy fuck would I KILL for that group (and they all, except Davies, can play CB too)

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2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, I wanted Bayern or Leipzig to face us. Bayern is a good draw. They have a lot of defensive problems like us, so it will be pretty even from the defensive point of view. Both defences are shit.
Offensive wise , Lewandowski is a Killer, but he is also not a big game Player. Lets hope he bottles it like he usually does in big games

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Big game player or not we must mark the fucker both games, he cant have a sniff. Even at his age he is still deadly.

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

A huge reason they have defensive issues is that they have 2 top 10 or so in the world CB's out injured (Niklas Süle out for the year and Lucas Hernández (who is also a top 3 in world LB) out with a broken ankle until February) They are using fullbacks (they have the best group in the world there, as Victimpool have zero depth) and even their only true DMF to cover. The one non-injury massive weak spot is at DMF, Javi Martínez is past his prime, and Kimmich is wasted there. They are mad if they do at least make a play for a crunching DMF in January (I am terrified they grab Thomas for only £42m)

 

Those fullbacks (when all are healthy) are insane

LB David Alaba (2nd best LB in the world (after Robertson), and maybe wants to leave in the summer)

LB Lucas Hernández (3rd best LB in the world, I would probably take him over the number 4, Chilwell (very close, and Chilwell is young (although only 10 months younger, lolol) so can go past him as a LB, but his CB ability deffo tips the scale to Lucas), and also a top 10 CB)

LB Alphonso Davies (their future, a teen who already looks a beast)

RB Kimmich (2nd best RB in the world, can play DMF and CB as well)

RB Benjamin Pavard (top 10 in the world RB, and also a top 25 CB)

holy fuck would I KILL for that group (and they all, except Davies, can play CB too)

Bayern are run very very well, they dont go too low in their standard and always plan ahead, proper Club. Loads of expericance at board level too......

[Vesper 30,175]

Just now, Atomiswave said:

Bayern are run very very well, they dont go too low in their standard and always plan ahead, proper Club. Loads of expericance at board level too......

I think their only truly big big mistake was not going for Nagelsmann as manager

I rate the hell out of him (wanted him here as soon as Conte looked like he was out)

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14 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I think their only truly big big mistake was not going for Nagelsmann as manager

I rate the hell out of him (wanted him here as soon as Conte looked like he was out)

Yeah probably, but they just might come summer, or maybe Poch or Allegri.

[killer1257 3,282]

A huge reason they have defensive issues is that they have 2 top 10 or so in the world CB's out injured (Niklas Süle out for the year and Lucas Hernández (who is also a top 3 in world LB) out with a broken ankle until February) They are using fullbacks (they have the best group in the world there, as Victimpool have zero depth) and even their only true DMF to cover. The one non-injury massive weak spot is at DMF, Javi Martínez is past his prime, and Kimmich is wasted there. They are mad if they do at least make a play for a crunching DMF in January (I am terrified they grab Thomas for only £42m)
 
Those fullbacks (when all are healthy) are insane
LB David Alaba (2nd best LB in the world (after Robertson), and maybe wants to leave in the summer)
LB Lucas Hernández (3rd best LB in the world, I would probably take him over the number 4, Chilwell (very close, and Chilwell is young (although only 10 months younger, lolol) so can go past him as a LB, but his CB ability deffo tips the scale to Lucas), and also a top 10 CB)
LB Alphonso Davies (their future, a teen who already looks a beast)
RB Kimmich (2nd best RB in the world, can play DMF and CB as well)
RB Benjamin Pavard (top 10 in the world RB, and also a top 25 CB)
holy fuck would I KILL for that group (and they all, except Davies, can play CB too)

Did I understand you correctly that Süle belongs to top 10 in the World? Or did I get the context wrong ?

Reason for that is that Süle plays horrible for Bayern 2018 and 2019. His only good Season for Bayern was under Jupp 17/18 where he played defensive wise very solid but all ball playing responsibilities belonged to his CB Partners back then.
Süle may be tall, but his Jumping ability are pathetic. He loses way too many headers for a guy his size. I remember Ricardo Carvalho back then who was a small CB at 34 years old playing for Madrid and outjumping everyone. Ricardo had insane Jumping ability.
Every Bayern game Süle makes big mistakes that lead to goals in a average League and even Bayern fans see him as their fourth CB in their hierarchy.
One other point is that he may be fast in a 100 metre Sprint but his "burst of Acceleration " (I hope I have used it right haha) is not really good. His overall speed is Good. His only real Attribute is his strenght but Zouma is also strong and can actually jump high. How can this guy be Top 10 CB in the World. I know the Quality of CBs these days suck but he can't belong to the top 10

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[Vesper 30,175]

12 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

Did I understand you correctly that Süle belongs to top 10 in the World? Or did I get the context wrong ?

Reason for that is that Süle plays horrible for Bayern 2018 and 2019. His only good Season for Bayern was under Jupp 17/18 where he played defensive wise very solid but all ball playing responsibilities belonged to his CB Partners back then.
Süle may be tall, but his Jumping ability are pathetic. He loses way too many headers for a guy his size. I remember Ricardo Carvalho back then who was a small CB at 34 years old playing for Madrid and outjumping everyone. Ricardo had insane Jumping ability.
Every Bayern game Süle makes big mistakes that lead to goals in a average League and even Bayern fans see him as their fourth CB in their hierarchy.
One other point is that he may be fast in a 100 metre Sprint but his "burst of Acceleration " (I hope I have used it right haha) is not really good. His overall speed is Good. His only real Attribute is his strenght but Zouma is also strong and can actually jump high. How can this guy be Top 10 CB in the World. I know the Quality of CBs these days suck but he can't belong to the top 10

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top ten to top 15ish

yes

there are not that many great CB's out there

I have seen him have some massive games last year and in the season before last when MJ and I were tracking him fairly hard

[killer1257 3,282]

top ten to top 15ish
yes
there are not that many great CB's out there
I have seen him have some massive games last year and in the season before last when MJ and I were tracking him fairly hard

If Süle is top 10 CB 2019, so is Zouma.
Zouma is at least athletic and he is not fat like Süle. He just like Hazard came back fat from his vacation haha.

Süle maybe a better passer when it comes to passing accuracy, but he is horrible at passing forward. All other arguments I have already stated.
Also I also said that he was solid Defensive wise under Jupp. After that, he was rubbish most of the time. Many Bayern fans wanted him out of the starting eleven. He also never had a good Germany National Team match as far as I have watched him play there. Having that many flaws in a average League like Bundesliga does not justify him being near called Top 10 CB. I would agree that Jupp Heynckes Süle would get Top 10. But most players under Jupp were beasts. Great Manager that Saved Bayerns asses many times

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