The Benitez Thread

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Wow wow wow!!

I was screaming at the Tv yesterday again, at Ramires, he is a big problem for us and I don't understand how many more of you haven't picked up on it.

Yes he scored THAT goal in the nou camp, I know, if you ask him to run all day yeah sure why not of course he will.. If you ask him to play a 5 yard pass that isn't hospital it falls to pieces! The amount of times yesterday he burst forward and I'm like 'pass' 'pass.' 'Pass to the left' 'pass' 'PASS!!'. Don't get me started on his tracking of players either! I feel like he gets too much credit because he runs all day long but take a closer look!!

Now you may say 'mikel?' And I agree he is far too slow in distribution. I'm not Michael carricks biggest fan at all I think he is quite pedestrian most of the time but just as an example his distribution is great, one touch, half a second and the ball has gone 25 yards, speed speed speed of passing.

Anyone watch the Madrid derby last night? I was envious Xabi is still putting tackles in and spraying 40 yard balls setting up brilliant counter attacks for Madrid. No I'm not saying sign him but I'm just saying take a look at what other teams do in terms of quick distribution etc

Until that improve we can expect more of the same

Don't worry, I noticed too. And not just against West Ham, I've been noticing for the past while now.

But RDM and Benitez are both using Ramires in a role that makes no sense for him to even attempt playing. I mean, Ramires as a deep-lying playmaker? It's a ridiculously stupid idea. And it leaves Mikel trying to do everything. Mikel is trying to be both an anchor man and a playmaker that controls the tempo of our play. Until we fix the pivot, we're fucked. And that's not going to happen until January when we either sign someone or recall Kevin de Bruyne. Unless Lampard makes a recovery very soon. Lampard is a great deep-lying playmaker when he's not trying to be a box to box midfielder.

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Must say that the influence of CFC fans has made a massive input on the direction of the club. Maybe the club should seek a better rapport w/ the fans.

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But RDM and Benitez are both using Ramires in a role that makes no sense for him to even attempt playing. I mean, Ramires as a deep-lying playmaker? It's a ridiculously stupid idea. And it leaves Mikel trying to do everything. Mikel is trying to be both an anchor man and a playmaker that controls the tempo of our play. Until we fix the pivot, we're fucked. And that's not going to happen until January when we either sign someone or recall Kevin de Bruyne. Unless Lampard makes a recovery very soon. Lampard is a great deep-lying playmaker when he's not trying to be a box to box midfielder.

Lampard? Deep lying playmaker? Really? He may be many things but deep-lying playmaker isn't one. Specially as he always wants to be further upfield leaving Mikel exposed. I agree about Ramires though, he's not the midfield general we desperately need.

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Walk around end of the season gana be a bit awkward.....

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now the lying Spanish git is saying he was misunderstood about Lamps and Ash leaving ,,,,,said his English wasnt good enough

the miserable turd knew enough E nglish to insult us FAT WASTER OUT

[Ollie 4,400]

Looking through this amazing managers stats...

20 games from September 29th - January 13th 2009/2010, the season after they pushed Man Utd all the way in the league.

Sep 29 - Fiorentina [uCL] (A) = Lost 2-0

Oct 4 - Chelsea (A) = Lost 2-0

Oct 17 - Sunderland (A) = Lost 1-0

Oct 20 - Lyon [uCL] (H) = Lost 2-1

Oct 25 - Manchester United (H) = Won 2-0

Oct 28 - Arsenal [LC] (A) = Lost 2-1

Oct 31 - Fulham (A) = Lost 3-1

Nov 4 - Lyon [uCL] (A) = Drew 1-1

Nov 9 - Birmingham (H) = Drew 2-2

Nov 21 - Manchester City (H) = Drew 2-2

Nov 24 - Debrecen [uCL] (A) = Won 1-0

Nov 29 - Everton (A) = Won 2-0

Dec 5 - Blackburn (A) = Drew 0-0

Dec 9 - Fiorentina [uCL] (A) = Lost 2-1

Dec 13 - Arsenal (H) = Lost 2-1

Dec 16 - Wigan (H) = Won 2-1

Dec 19 - Portsmouth (A) = lost 2-0

Dec 26 - Wolves (H) = Won 2-0

Jan 2 - Reading [FAC] (A) = Drew 1-1

Jan 13 - Reading [FAC] (H) = Lost 2-1

Knocked out the UCL group stage and knocked out the FA Cup at home to Reading who were Championship at the time. They finished 7th in the league and look at some of the teams they suffered against. This manager quite clearly doesn't go on bad runs and is the man to lead us to glory.

Wins 5

Draws 5

Losses 10

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Lmao it's just stupid isn't it, the obsessions for English clubs trying to play like this. That's why I give Ferguson & even Mancini a lot of dues. They're not trying to replicate Barca, they don't even care about Barca, they're making their tactics to win in their league.

I am not sure there is any team try to replicate Barca playing style except probably Roma last year.

I think it's more about playing a winning+attacking style which is what barca is, what manchester is united and what city i and I think that is what our board want

[Manuf 1,448]

Looking through this amazing managers stats...

20 games from September 29th - January 13th 2009/2010, the season after they pushed Man Utd all the way in the league.

Sep 29 - Fiorentina [uCL] (A) = Lost 2-0

Oct 4 - Chelsea (A) = Lost 2-0

Oct 17 - Sunderland (A) = Lost 1-0

Oct 20 - Lyon [uCL] (H) = Lost 2-1

Oct 25 - Manchester United (H) = Won 2-0

Oct 28 - Arsenal [LC] (A) = Lost 2-1

Oct 31 - Fulham (A) = Lost 3-1

Nov 4 - Lyon [uCL] (A) = Drew 1-1

Nov 9 - Birmingham (H) = Drew 2-2

Nov 21 - Manchester City (H) = Drew 2-2

Nov 24 - Debrecen [uCL] (A) = Won 1-0

Nov 29 - Everton (A) = Won 2-0

Dec 5 - Blackburn (A) = Drew 0-0

Dec 9 - Fiorentina [uCL] (A) = Lost 2-1

Dec 13 - Arsenal (H) = Lost 2-1

Dec 16 - Wigan (H) = Won 2-1

Dec 19 - Portsmouth (A) = lost 2-0

Dec 26 - Wolves (H) = Won 2-0

Jan 2 - Reading [FAC] (A) = Drew 1-1

Jan 13 - Reading [FAC] (H) = Lost 2-1

Knocked out the UCL group stage and knocked out the FA Cup at home to Reading who were Championship at the time. They finished 7th in the league and look at some of the teams they suffered against. This manager quite clearly doesn't go on bad runs and is the man to lead us to glory.

Wins 5

Draws 5

Losses 10

STOP WITH THE NEGATIVITY! SUPPORT OUR MANAGER! HE WILL LEAD US TO GLORY! STOP BASHING RAFA! RAFALUTION! HE WAS JOBLESS FOR 2 YEARS BECAUSE HE TOOK A BRAKE FROM KICKING ASS!

[Ollie 4,400]

Wasn't negative, it was positive highlighting what a great manager he is. With him, we might just fluke a win against Nordsjaelland with a bit of luck. I believe we might just pull it off.

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There is absolutely no hypocrisy whatsoever in what I've said. I've stated I don't like the guy and I hated the idea of him being at the club, but he's here now and the pragmatist in me wants him to succeed for the sake of my club.

I've let what he said in the past go because I honestly don't care about it. I'm sorry if that isn't something you approve of, but he said what he said when he was trying to gain a competitive edge and if that meant getting a bit more noise from his own fans by slagging off our's, I can rationalise that. However I will say that he has not done himself any favours in explaining it in recent days.

I'm not advocating his presence at the Bridge - I'm pointing out that for the foreseeable future he IS going to be at the Bridge. Those are vastly different concepts. I don't want him there, but he's going to be. I didn't want him to be hired, but he has been. Can you see the difference between those ideas?

I probably do think it's best to support Rafa and the team, rather than boo him in the hopes it will change time and he won't have been hired. I honestly don't know who else is out there who would come in and do the job right now, without it doing more damage to our hopes our hiring a decent manager in the summer.

This all completely ignores the fact that I've slated the team's performance today. It wasn't good enough and his changes were poor in my opinion. But you've decided to eschew a decent argument against me in favour of trying (and failing) to paint me as a hypocrite whilst calling me a 'charlatan', a 'hypocrite' and 'classless'.

The thing is that I ultimately view you as I view Rafa. It's part of what supporting the modern Chelsea is, and I have to try and accept you both graciously.

The sheer irony in some of your posts is actually somewhat astounding...even at this point when I should really be half-expecting it.

Despite whatever the pragmatist in you believes is best for the club to succeed, to simply look past the issues that have occurred off the field in the hope of a brighter future; unfortunately you don't seem to be taking into account just how incompetant a manager Benitez is & always will be.

If you truly want us to succeed, as a team & as a club, then you would realise that the first & most vital action that needs to be taken is to remove him from this position that he doesn't deserve whatsoever - & send him back to serving tapas in whatever hole it is that his fat arse crawled out of - before it is too late & he irrevocably fucks up our season even more so than it already appears to have been.

That is what every Chelsea fan blaring 'Rafa out' at the top of their lungs desires most at this point being in the severely dire situation we do currently find ourselves entangled in - not just because he is a shit person - but also because we all know that he is a shit manager too & has clearly run out of the luck that carried his Liverpool team through 6 (vastly trophyless) seasons. I think you must be existing in some kind of twisted alternate dimension if you actually think that his 'ability', 'experience' or 'inspiration' (lol) is going to compensate for that & bring us any form of actual success.

'I'm not advocating his presence at the Bridge - I'm pointing out that for the foreseeable future he IS going to be at the Bridge. Those are vastly different concepts. I don't want him there, but he's going to be. I didn't want him to be hired, but he has been. Can you see the difference between those ideas?' - the only difference I can see here is that you are clearly able to accept/support him as our manager for the forseeable future, whereas I absolutely refuse to do any such thing through hell or high water. Maybe you somehow, in your deluded self-righteous beliefs, think that actually differs to advocating his presence - but I really do struggle to find a way or a world where that is true when you have quite clearly & categorically said 'that is why he has my support' along with 'getting behind my team and yes, my team's coach. That is what he is'. If that is not accepting/supporting/advocating - whatever the fuck you want to call it in your book of nonsensical hypocrisy - well then I really don't know what is.

& no one is 'trying to change time' or go 'back to the future' to reverse his appointment or anything as outlandishly & illogically intrinsic as you seem to suggest. What's done is done, I don't think anyone is disenchanted enough to believe otherwise at this point, such have been the immediately sobering & humbling effects of the events that have transpired over the last 10 days. Di Matteo is gone & he's not coming back. It's deeply depressing for many of us who believed that he deserved far better, however we have to move on from the past because I don't believe any of us do currently have a time-travel enabling flux capacitor in our possession at the moment. But that certainly doesn't mean we can't influence & alter the future. That is why the fans need to voice their unified opinions at every game & anywhere else they can - because eventually, something has simply got to give. I refuse to believe that Roman's patience is going to outlast the fans' forever. History definitely proves otherwise.

If you truly don't want him here - as you seem to keep on insisting despite your relentless contradictory statements - then it is utterly beyond my comprehension as to how you can be so spineless as to simply roll over & 'just deal with it', which is the position you seem to be encouraging. & I definitely don't approve of that. I would have thought that an individual who has such an elitist attitude towards supporters of 'modern Chelsea' would at least be enough of a man to actually give a fuck about what is happening to his club & stand up & fight for it; rather than just bending over to 'begrudgingly' but 'graciously' take it like some oh-so-loyal 14-year-old girl who 'accepts'/'supports'(/'points out?') the presence of her fat abusive Spanish boyfriend inside her rectal cavity.

You apparently don't like him, hate the idea of him being here - yet you more than easily forgive him for his past transgressions & don't want him to get the fuck out like most self-respecting True Blues would - & in fact you want him to succeed - despite it already being made abundantly clear that he is not going to be doing a whole lot of that with or without the fan's support?

All of which you are now attempting to justify by saying that firing him would harm the chances of obtaining a better manager next season? So basically you are willing to accept the disastrous consequences & results that will inevitably continue & sacrifice any potential success of this season; all for the sake of getting Pep/whoever when this nightmare finally comes to an end? I think you must be even more confused about your own beliefs than I currently am... You're quite clearly a hypocrite in every sense of the word & it's just sad if you choose to divulge your time in continuing this pointless charade.

You need to make up your fucking mind mate - you can't claim that you dislike a guy (who you have already forgiven where most wouldn't), & publicly voice your support for him in his quest for success - yet entirely refute the idea of employing a different manager when it is clear that the current one is not succeeding whatsoever by any stretch of the imagination & definitely doesn't seem as though he is going to be able to change that anytime soon - not without running us dead into the gutter first. You can't maintain that you want us to succeed, when you are continuing to advocate the presence of the very man that prevents that from even happening & will only prove increasingly detrimental to our efforts to salvage something the longer we allow this maddening situation to go on.

So which is it - do you want us to have the worst season in the last decade all for the sake of nonchalantly supporting the club's impeccably disastrous decision, or do you want us to actually get a half-decent manager (& that means just about ANY other manager) in before christmas so that we might actually have a chance of being in Europe next year?

You, as a fan, need to decide & align yourself with your true beliefs - because you're confusing the fuck out of me (& seemingly yourself?) with so much of what you are saying & it is quite frankly exhausting at this point to have to continually point out the fallacies that your puzzling arguments are shrouded in.

Stand up for yourself as a fan & fight for what is right - if you truly believe in the success of this club above all else - then surely you don't want to just sit here & watch as Rafa's reign unfolds & leaves our club in an unrecoverable situation of complete turmoil that no sane supporter should want us to be in.

Or have the rotund spheres between your legs managed to suddenly elude you in the same way that your logic & reasoning seems to have done?

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Rumours saying Di Matteo will be appointed new Valencia coach.

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

Anyone else see Roman is going to turn to Avram Grant in an advisory role or something.......... oh my

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Great now the Grant rumors are starting just like the Benitez rumors started before Robbie was sacked: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2242017/Roman-Abramovich-wants-Avram-Grant-replace-Rafael-Benitez.html

Anyone else feel we're moving from bad to worse? At this rate we'll be relegated by the end of the season!

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Wasn't negative, it was positive highlighting what a great manager he is. With him, we might just fluke a win against Nordsjaelland with a bit of luck. I believe we might just pull it off.

was using that sarcastic font

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Great now the Grant rumors are starting just like the Benitez rumors started before Robbie was sacked: http://www.dailymail...el-Benitez.html

Anyone else feel we're moving from bad to worse? At this rate we'll be relegated by the end of the season!

To be perfectly honest, I would take Grant over Benitez in a heartbeat right now.

But both of the fat cunts together? Bloody hell someone please stick a fucking fork in me - I'm done.

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Great now the Grant rumors are starting just like the Benitez rumors started before Robbie was sacked: http://www.dailymail...el-Benitez.html

Anyone else feel we're moving from bad to worse? At this rate we'll be relegated by the end of the season!

Looks like we've run out of managers

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The interim manager insists on two team-talks, speaking English to the English speakers and Spanish to others, which caused confusion in the dressing room at West Ham.

My word, what a moron.

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