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Just because he's our new manager I can't be that fickle to all of a sudden like fat waiter. That doesn't mean I have stopped supporting my team,my club. If we do win trophies it won't be down to him, it will be the players, just as Robbie would and did say. And having watched his press conference I found it painful, his 'reasons' for slating US are lamentable.

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Just because he's our new manager I can't be that fickle to all of a sudden like fat waiter. That doesn't mean I have stopped supporting my team,my club. If we do win trophies it won't be down to him, it will be the players, just as Robbie would and did say. And having watched his press conference I found it painful, his 'reasons' for slating US are lamentable.

But if we lose and are out of every competition early, will it be the manager's fault, or will it still be the players?

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Please tell me one good reason why he wouldn't want to build his reputation and make this a full time job? Not every club is run like Liverpool. He understands the magnitude of this squad and he wants to win trophies. Every manager has it's flaws and it's the fan's duty to judge him based on his results. A lot of people are writing him off already simply because he's not a likable figure. That's what bothers me the most. If he is unable to turn this around and continues to struggle then we have every right to criticize but as of now I think it's in the clubs best interest if we all stfu and support the team on Sunday instead of berating our manager because he made past comments about our flags.

Not that timid to start booing the manager because of his past comments about us. Can't be bothered wasting my time over such trivial matters. And I don't think you quite understand the point I made. He maybe a football manager but still a human. If his motivation is right, then yay. Good for us all. If not, then that would only be catastrophic. Saw that his half a season contract is worth 1.5m itself! As for his flaws, like I said, can only hope he has learned from his mistakes including getting distracted with matters off the pitch and not repeat it. Not just gonna disregard him immediately. Will judge him based on the team's performances and results but right now, don't think there's anything wrong with people having doubts about him.

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I agree we should go for someone long term, but that second season with Ancelotti was pretty poor in all honesty.

Mourinho set the bar extremely high and we've never truly replaced him. He's still 'our manager' in a very weird way. We all know who Roman truly wants to be Chelsea manager and it wasn't ever going to be Robbie.

Mourinho set the bar high because we had ridiculously talented teams then. Out talent level is nowhere near that right now. If you gave this Chelsea a CB combo of peak-level Carvalho and Terry (Never mind Makalele, peak-Lampard and Drogba, Ballack, etc...) do you think we'd have near the same defensive problems? Mourinho was the right manager for the team, but I think too many fans give him way too much credit. We won because Roman spent a ton of money buying a lot of world-class players. We had as much talent as any team in the world and a lot of managers would have had success with those squads. We simply have not replaced those players. Ancelotti's second season was a disappointment, but a lot of that was due to not replacing the Ranieri-era Chelsea that still made up our core and it wasn't that bad a season. We did finish second in the league. The inability to replace the core of the team is down to the board and they've now fired a bunch of managers for their own mistakes.

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Mourinho set the bar high because we had ridiculously talented teams then. Out talent level is nowhere near that right now. If you gave this Chelsea a CB combo of peak-level Carvalho and Terry (Never mind Makalele, peak-Lampard and Drogba, Ballack, etc...) do you think we'd have near the same defensive problems? Mourinho was the right manager for the team, but I think too many fans give him way too much credit. We won because Roman spent a ton of money buying a lot of world-class players. We had as much talent as any team in the world and a lot of managers would have had success with those squads. We simply have not replaced those players. Ancelotti's second season was a disappointment, but a lot of that was due to not replacing the Ranieri-era Chelsea that still made up our core and it wasn't that bad a season. We did finish second in the league. The inability to replace the core of the team is down to the board and they've now fired a bunch of managers for their own mistakes.

I don't disagree with that. The player we've never replaced is Makelele, but I don't think there's another one out there. Busquets is probably the closest, but it seemed for a time we didn't really know who to go for. We've only really recently replaced Robben and Duff with Hazard and a couple of others.

My view is that we actually potentially have a phenomenal squad coming up. The club things the same and they want a manager who can take them on for the next 5 years minimum. They don't want a potential weak link and that's how they saw Robbie. It's why they covet Guardiola.

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Mourinho's words in April 2004, a mere 2 months before taking the Chelsea job.

link: http://www.telegraph...-Liverpool.html

Mourinho clearly stating he preferred the Liverpool job (in 2004). Bare that in mind when using Rafa's past words against him.

You can try and make yourself feel better about it all you want, the man is a twat and he doesn't deserve respect.

Mourinho got my respect when he won us the title mate and actually lived up to his bull shit.

Rafa shouldn't get any respect untill he actually does something for the club.

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I don't disagree with that. The player we've never replaced is Makelele, but I don't think there's another one out there. Busquets is probably the closest, but it seemed for a time we didn't really know who to go for. We've only really recently replaced Robben and Duff with Hazard and a couple of others.

My view is that we actually potentially have a phenomenal squad coming up. The club things the same and they want a manager who can take them on for the next 5 years minimum. They don't want a potential weak link and that's how they saw Robbie. It's why they covet Guardiola.

We've never replace Drogba or Lampard or Terry or Carvalho or Ballack or Essien. Our starting XI in 2005-2006 was Cech, Gallas, Carvalho, Terry, Del Horno, Makalele, Essien, Lampard, Cole, Robben, and Drogba and almost all at their peaks. That's insane. (We also had players like Gudjonsson, Crespo, Duff, and Feirera who played regularly) We had top-5, top-10 players at their position in the world all over the pitch. We had players who were elite attackers and elite defenders. We had balance, physical presence, ability on the ground, in the air, speed, leadership everything. We are light years away from that right now.

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This was being mentioned 3 hours ago...

Neil Ashton@neilashton_

Rafa wants to bring in a keeper coach. How will Petr Cech react, he only works with Christophe Lollichon. More on Mail Online soon

Cech won't be happy if RB does that. He has been working with Lollichon since he was at Rennes and the result of that can be seen on the pitch!

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This was being mentioned 3 hours ago...

Cech won't be happy if RB does that. He has been working with Lollichon since he was at Rennes and the result of that can be seen on the pitch!

Not really Cech's call that though.. Manager should be entitled to bring in his own coaching staff.

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Not really Cech's call that though.. Manager should be entitled to bring in his own coaching staff.

Yeah but why change something when it ain't broken? Lollichon won't have stayed with the club this long if he wasn't that good and I'm sure the club recognize that. Additionally, Benitez won't stay here beyond the season(hopefully!), so why let him revamp so much of the backroom staff? He has already brought in Zenden and 2 other coaching staffs.

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Yeah but why change something when it ain't broken? Lollichon won't have stayed with the club this long if he wasn't that good and I'm sure the club recognize that. Additionally, Benitez won't stay here beyond the season(hopefully!), so why let him revamp so much of the backroom staff? He has already brought in Zenden and 2 other coaching staffs.

I agree with this. If you're supposed to be the Chelsea coach of the future, then you should have your say and bring in who you want but a guy who is going to coach for 6 months? Chelsea will likely just be firing all these people in half a year.

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