The Benitez Thread

[strong centreback 157]

RDM was doing to Chelsea what he did to WBA.

Top bloke, amazing guy, average manager... That's the sad reality I have come to.

Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of RB - he deserves a chance and is doing ok, B+ like I stated the other day, we finally have some organisation and character in the team. The players seem to like him and he's conducting himself well.

As for RDM lets see what happens, I hope he does well in his next job - but think he was too inexperienced for the current role at CFC... We were leaking silly goals, players looked tired and demotivated - pretty dire in all honesty...

Yep id say his run when put in context was pretty dire to........ he was shafted the only thing that you could use to hang him out to dry was the champions league group form and even then that would be abit unfair considering the strength of the group, if you were city chairman would you of sacked mancini at round the same time? is mancinis peformance this year much different to what robbies was with us? he was shafted and roman got rid of him at the end of our hardest run of games so far this season.

[rafafan 10]

I take it your party to all these deals that he turned down then? sitting next to him having a cup of coffee whilst he went through all these offers huh? if liverpool want him back you wouldnt need to come down with a golden chariot we would drive him up there for ya, his record is no more favourable then frank rijkaards, and I dont want that cunt anywhere near my club either.

Tubby had a golden 3 year period in his career 2 at valencia one at liverpool since then (nearly a decade ago) he has achieved nothing that would set him apart from anyone of villas boas capello ancellotti mancini simone klopp conte and a whole load of others, he aint special he is mediocre.

I am a Liverpool fan, so we know and watch, and look out for news, he also lives in Liverpool, and these info gets leaked out.

Frank Rijkard won a European Cup, and 2 La Liga's, and regarding your comments on the rest of the managers , I leave you to feast on your information, you are letting your personal hatred of the man get in the way of your agenda of him the manager. Regarding his golden period with Liverpool, well i would know more about that than you, but I am not going to help those that cant be helped, and to be honest i know what your problem is, you are getting insecure in fear that this guy is rather good and you might have to start supporting him, and your head, mind, body, soul is in a dilema, therefore you have to continously preach hate to feel secure.

Stick to your beliefs !

[laeth 527]

Check your dictionary .Not the Urban or slang one. My degrees are actually in Science and Mathematics . And suggest you use capitals correctly.

Did you even read my original post? I'm clearly not using the dictionary definition of the term retard - hence it's a fucking noun!

I'm suprised you even passed sixth grade -- never mind university -- with how elegantly you string a sentence together.

Anyway, all I'm saying is people shouldn't take you seriously because half the time I can't decipher what the hell you're trying to say. The post I responded to was outright ridiculous; no wonder Chelsea fans have such a bad name if it's people like you representing us.

[strong centreback 157]

I am a Liverpool fan, so we know and watch, and look out for news, he also lives in Liverpool, and these info gets leaked out.

Frank Rijkard won a European Cup, and 2 La Liga's, and regarding your comments on the rest of the managers , I leave you to feast on your information, you are letting your personal hatred of the man get in the way of your agenda of him the manager. Regarding his golden period with Liverpool, well i would know more about that than you, but I am not going to help those that cant be helped, and to be honest i know what your problem is, you are getting insecure in fear that this guy is rather good and you might have to start supporting him, and your head, mind, body, soul is in a dilema, therefore you have to continously preach hate to feel secure.

Stick to your beliefs !

I think benitez is quite a defensive good coach not as good as your lot makes out, never on a par with the likes of mourinho hiddink guardiola van gaal capello (club football) ferguson etc but certainly not rubbish but neither great, My hate for him is ingrained upon me and I honestly dont think he is the right fit for my club, since he won the european club with your lot what has he done? another european cup final whilst batting it out for 4th eventually getting third on +2GD, fhact, and crack under pressure when it was a straight shoot out between you and united, fhact, then a couple of glorified charity shields with inter before the chairman saw sense and gave him the spanish archer, over rated and the sooner he fucks off the better as far as im concerned.

[ChelseaUnite 26]

he is genius.

[zolayes 14,489]

Did you even read my original post? I'm clearly not using the dictionary definition of the term retard - hence it's a fucking noun!

I'm suprised you even passed sixth grade -- never mind university -- with how elegantly you string a sentence together.

Anyway, all I'm saying is people shouldn't take you seriously because half the time I can't decipher what the hell you're trying to say. The post I responded to was outright ridiculous; no wonder Chelsea fans have such a bad name if it's people like you representing us.

you seem to delight in dishing out insults FFS grow up . If you aren't using retard in it's correct form don't ctiticise other peoples grammar. Perhaps you should

develop a sense of humour

[The only place to be 11,313]

Yep id say his run when put in context was pretty dire to........ he was shafted the only thing that you could use to hang him out to dry was the champions league group form and even then that would be abit unfair considering the strength of the group, if you were city chairman would you of sacked mancini at round the same time? is mancinis peformance this year much different to what robbies was with us? he was shafted and roman got rid of him at the end of our hardest run of games so far this season.

Robbie was sacked because Roman didn't want him in the first place. Robbie knew that.

He also knew as soon as he got us knocked out of the Champions League, he was fucked. At that point there really wasn't a huge number of options of top-class managers (which Benitez arguably still is) available on short-term contracts to take over until Roman can have a run at Guardiola.

As for Robbie, Roman gave the guy a job when he couldn't get past an interview at Birmingham fucking City. Now he'll be in contention for a mid-table European side.

[Changingman_2000 876]

You tell your self that, thats why I believe he was given the job, RDM was dumped at the earliest opportunity this bad run people say we were on doesn't really exist it is a white wash put out to take away from the glaringly obvious that RDM wasnt wanted and as soon we hit a small rough patch he was history.

In RDM last ten matches we had a 4-1 win against norwich, win 4-2 at tottenham, lose to shakhtar 2-1 in ukraine, lose to united 3-2 in that game then beat them 5-4 in the league cup, draw against swansea 1-1, beat shakhtar 3-2, draw 1-1 with the mickeys, then lose to west brom and juventus.

Now to put that into context, away in ukraine is always a hard place to go and shakthar are not a bad team by any stretch, that second rate prick clattenberg cost us against united, swansea have also got points against united and arsenal (and if you want to include them liverpool too), liverpool always seem to be able to rise to the occasion against us no matter how bad there form/side is its almost like a cup final for them so dropping points against them isnt totally unexpected, west brom have also got points from tottenham and everton (and if you want to include them liverpool too) currently 7th and this seasons over achievers, juventus loss a gamble back fired not gonna try and defend that one.

If you include the 4 matches prior to that you also have a win at arsenal a win against stoke that crap danish team and a big win against wolves, in my book all season the only results in which you could objectively point the finger at robbie was the european games, other than that the results were no worse than anything united or city have had this year and neither of their managers had to put up with having basically one striker to choose from who is hopelessly out of form and doesnt look ever getting it back or won the champions league from a seemingly impossible position last year, the champions league group run wasnt great to add weight to the other side of the argument but we had a very tough group and like I said were basically playing with 10 men with torres up top, robbie was absolutely fucking shafted and it makes me angry going back over it again in my mind.

Im almost 100% in my mind that if we had signed RVP in the summer we would be top by a dozen or so points we would of negotiated the champions league group to qualify for the knockout stages and robbie would be sitting in the dugout.

For the first time in bloody years everything was perfect, a club legend in charge won the champions league things going well in a transition year new exciting players brought in, not since the end of joses second season had things looked so bright for the club and roman goes and fucks it up, it actually makes me feel sick having TFSW in charge.

This /\ Completely and utterly agree with.

[rafafan 10]

I think benitez is quite a defensive good coach not as good as your lot makes out, never on a par with the likes of mourinho hiddink guardiola van gaal capello (club football) ferguson etc but certainly not rubbish but neither great, My hate for him is ingrained upon me and I honestly dont think he is the right fit for my club, since he won the european club with your lot what has he done? another european cup final whilst batting it out for 4th eventually getting third on +2GD, fhact, and crack under pressure when it was a straight shoot out between you and united, fhact, then a couple of glorified charity shields with inter before the chairman saw sense and gave him the spanish archer, over rated and the sooner he fucks off the better as far as im concerned.

Sorry Mate but I really am not going to waste my energy on the drivel you spieling above, you need to go and do your research properly on the man, you do need understand football, mourinho,guardiola,van gaal,capello,ferguson , have been at the richest and biggest clubs on this planet, and therefore, Money= better players=trophies=success. and rafa has quite a few without not being employed with the financial powerhouses of the game !

but just to pick up on 1 candidate ( Hiddink.) he has won nothing at club level outside Holland prior to Chelsea, but it does not mean he is not a good coach he is.

the coach you have right now is in that elite company that you have listed above, and by the way , do you know the formation 4-2-3-1 , that 70% of teams use nowadays, ? well your interim was the first to use it and develop it at Valencia and introduce it to the EPL ! go and ask anybody in the game or do your research !

You cannot be helped ,my friend, you are to ingrained with media talk, and your own agenda.

[rafafan 10]

Rafa the defensive coach ? it took him 4 league games to equal the biggest win in your history, against an inform team in Villa ? the last time you did that was against Wigan in party atmosphere after clinching the league title under ancelloti COMPETING against UTD without ronaldo, who by the way won the title with 4 more defeats and less points than when benitez finished runner up the season before against the best man utd team in fergusons reign in ronaldo's last and best season !

Your agenda and nonsense is just to much mate, look at the result yesterday, your oponents, and when was the last time you won there, and how many times you have won there in the last 10 yearsm and then compare it to yesterday with a goal down within 60 seconds ! you will get your answer

[Muzchap 8,966]

Yep id say his run when put in context was pretty dire to........ he was shafted the only thing that you could use to hang him out to dry was the champions league group form and even then that would be abit unfair considering the strength of the group, if you were city chairman would you of sacked mancini at round the same time? is mancinis peformance this year much different to what robbies was with us? he was shafted and roman got rid of him at the end of our hardest run of games so far this season.

RDM shouldn't have been treated like he was - I agree

That's the problem with football nowadays - it's a cut-throat business

I do think RB is doing a good job, it will be tough for you to accept him, but he isn't as bad as the media made out, a lot of comments were took out of context. The media like to fuck with CFC, so take everything they say with a pinch of salt.

RB is doing his best for us, has recently purchased a young lad who was ripped off tickets to SB. He didnt have to do that, but I genuinely think he's a decent bloke - so he did. He does a lot of charity work too - that's why Liverpool fans still rate him and defend him like crazy.

I guess the only way to look it as if Jose Mourinho joined Liverpool and their fans were slating him, wouldn't you be defending him against them? I know I certainly would.

So that's the Rollercoaster of football - if we keep winning and improving, I will back him - we have some fight in us and that I like, we are not out of the title race in all honestly and if we win our game n hand are a few points clear in 3rd that's what we wanted and needed this year.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

Rafa the defensive coach ? it took him 4 league games to equal the biggest win in your history, against an inform team in Villa ? the last time you did that was against Wigan in party atmosphere after clinching the league title under ancelloti COMPETING against UTD without ronaldo, who by the way won the title with 4 more defeats and less points than when benitez finished runner up the season before against the best man utd team in fergusons reign in ronaldo's last and best season !

Your agenda and nonsense is just to much mate, look at the result yesterday, your oponents, and when was the last time you won there, and how many times you have won there in the last 10 yearsm and then compare it to yesterday with a goal down within 60 seconds ! you will get your answer

Actually couldnt agree more with this post.

And I said to everyone who was going nuts when Benitez was appointed and RDM fired: Dont judge Rafa yet, but at least give him a try. Judge him at the end of his Chelsea career or at least after he's had a go at it.

So far he has done really good.

[strong centreback 157]

Sorry Mate but I really am not going to waste my energy on the drivel you spieling above, you need to go and do your research properly on the man, you do need understand football, mourinho,guardiola,van gaal,capello,ferguson , have been at the richest and biggest clubs on this planet, and therefore, Money= better players=trophies=success. and rafa has quite a few without not being employed with the financial powerhouses of the game !

but just to pick up on 1 candidate ( Hiddink.) he has won nothing at club level outside Holland prior to Chelsea, but it does not mean he is not a good coach he is.

the coach you have right now is in that elite company that you have listed above, and by the way , do you know the formation 4-2-3-1 , that 70% of teams use nowadays, ? well your interim was the first to use it and develop it at Valencia and introduce it to the EPL ! go and ask anybody in the game or do your research !

You cannot be helped ,my friend, you are to ingrained with media talk, and your own agenda.

Rafa the defensive coach ? it took him 4 league games to equal the biggest win in your history, against an inform team in Villa ? the last time you did that was against Wigan in party atmosphere after clinching the league title under ancelloti COMPETING against UTD without ronaldo, who by the way won the title with 4 more defeats and less points than when benitez finished runner up the season before against the best man utd team in fergusons reign in ronaldo's last and best season !

Your agenda and nonsense is just to much mate, look at the result yesterday, your oponents, and when was the last time you won there, and how many times you have won there in the last 10 yearsm and then compare it to yesterday with a goal down within 60 seconds ! you will get your answer

Lets just agree to disagree, you have your take on tubby I have mine, i wont change your opinion of him and you wont change mine.

[bushman 2,043]

Rafa = unloved, abused, ridiculed but somehow he made Chelsea a winning team again.

Currently, Chelsea are winning games.

What do you give to a manager who has suddenly conjured wins from a team that was going nowhere ?

A center-forward, a midfielder...?

The team has courage under fire, tenacity & desire to win games again.

Chelsea look like a team that started to believe in itself again.

Personally, I am satisfied with Rafa´s job, so far.

[Rupert 130]

Bollocks, he has been in the wilderness since inter sacked him and no club would touch him with a barge pole, he needed this job more than we needed him, I believe the sole reason that roman chopped RDM to bring tubby in is in a vain last effort to get that nancy torres firing and to look like at least worth half what we paid him, TFSW has been drip feeding to the press since he was sacked about how he can get torres scoring romans bought into that hence why he is here, if torres wasnt here nor would he its as simple as that, and he would still be twiddling his thumbs waiting for the right opportunity to come along facht.

You are ignorant. In the first place he was not sacked by Inter. He won the World Cup with them and immediately called a press conference in which he announced that if Inter would not fulfill the promise they had made to him when he took the job to let him buy players then they should negotiate his release. That was done. Since then he has had many offers (including Chelsea last year - and he refused their terms). Second, show me one of the quotes you say he was feeding to the press about reviving Torres. He has never said that. You just make it up as you go along. Your ignorance is no excuse for your prejudice.

[Joker10 946]

You are ignorant. In the first place he was not sacked by Inter. He won the World Cup with them and immediately called a press conference in which he announced that if Inter would not fulfill the promise they had made to him when he took the job to let him buy players then they should negotiate his release. That was done. Since then he has had many offers (including Chelsea last year - and he refused their terms). Second, show me one of the quotes you say he was feeding to the press about reviving Torres. He has never said that. You just make it up as you go along. Your ignorance is no excuse for your prejudice.

Can you prove that with either an article or quotes?

[Rupert 130]

Can you prove that with either an article or quotes?

Yes I could but why don't you just Google it?. It is all over the internet. Anyone who is slightly knowledgeable about Rafa or Inter at the time knows the three options Rafa laid out to Inter in that press conference. I don't expect Chelsea supporters to know about it but I also don't expect them to make up rubbish either to justify their prejudice. As I said earlier a lot of the misinformation about Rafa comes from Mourinho and its a shame that some thick-headed supporters still dance to Mourinho's tune.

[zolayes 14,489]

Yes I could but why don't you just Google it?. It is all over the internet. Anyone who is slightly knowledgeable about Rafa or Inter at the time knows the three options Rafa laid out to Inter in that press conference. I don't expect Chelsea supporters to know about it but I also don't expect them to make up rubbish either to justify their prejudice. As I said earlier a lot of the misinformation about Rafa comes from Mourinho and its a shame that some thick-headed supporters still dance to Mourinho's tune.

Just which club do you support Rupert?