LDN Blue 7,903 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 It's a modern football problem with some teams having too much money and talent. We just buy up any player that interests us. Maybe Moses could develop into a great player. Unlikely, but he could become a very good player and he's talented enough to play regularly on a mid-table side instead of rotting on our bench. Of course. it's just a shame, he did have potential, but I'm sure everyone knew from the off he wasn't destined for us. it's just a shame he didn't see that. Very poetic but it was probably the money that swayed him.Certainly the Dream has something to do with it. Everybody is saying, When they become a Chelsea plyer, that they dreamed about it all theyre lives for that momnet to became true! Indeed LeChels_, what TheIceMan says is what I meant. I firmly believe Moses tried his hardest to break through the competition but we simply signed players that were better than him. We wasted his time if I'm honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Is salah really better than moses though?i would say probably not. neither has an acceptable end product, but moses has power, so at least he can consistently beat a defender. i was surprised he was loaned, had a good preseason last year.although , if salah can perform like he did vs spurs (for basel), he will be seriously dangerous. right now, salah probably needs a loan more than moses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Is salah really better than moses though?well the question should be who satisfy jose requirements, moses not consider as new addition he just a copy of some players who are already better, u have willian shurrle hazard and oscar better, salah physically different because he the only one left footed which make his specific at RW even if some of other AMs play both foot still he more specific, beside his ridiculous pace which again not present with other ams which agree with jose plans specially with counter attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 i would say probably not. neither has an acceptable end product, but moses has power, so at least he can consistently beat a defender. i was surprised he was loaned, had a good preseason last year.although , if salah can perform like he did vs spurs (for basel), he will be seriously dangerous. right now, salah probably needs a loan more than moses.u kidding? salah cant beat defender?!... his pace only enough to beat many defenders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 u kidding? salah cant beat defender?!... his pace only enough to beat many defendersyes , but he needs space to run into, not always given to us. moses can outmuscle some opponents. Amblève., King11Didier and The Chels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 yes , but he needs space to run into, not always given to us. moses can outmuscle some opponents.well i didnt c him lose his ball much unless he did poor pass and he earn free kicks easly if it come to muscles....moses not bad he has good quality but as i said hr just a copy of some other qualities we have , jose signed salah to do stuff like he did against arsenal the perfect counter attack beside he need left footed player scince no one else was left footed lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIceMan 596 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 At the end it doesn't matter who is better, but who Mourinho prefers! RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I don't rate Victor Moses at all.And while one might argue that coming here detracted his development, if he was really that good he would have stayed and shone. We weren't filled with AMs when we signed him and the fact he never consolidated his position is only a consequence of his (lack of) quality as a player. His competition were Hazard and Oscar going through a transition to English football and injured (and even worse quality wise) Marko Marin.Mata was the indisputable #10 and Hazard consolidated his position in the very first matches, but then went a long streak (from October to the end of January) struggling a lot. I don't know if he's better or worse than Salah but I don't think it's fair to compare them either. Salah was in Switzerland and is one and half year younger (although I don't see a high ceiling for him either, he's useful, he offers something different, but at the same time he's nothing special imo).I also don't see a point at all of keeping Moses here... HG or not. robsblubot and romeeh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I don't rate Victor Moses at all.And while one might argue that coming here detracted his development, if he was really that good he would have stayed and shone. We weren't filled with AMs when we signed him and the fact he never consolidated his position is only a consequence of his (lack of) quality as a player. His competition were Hazard and Oscar going through a transition to English football and injured (and even worse quality wise) Marko Marin.Mata was the indisputable #10 and Hazard consolidated his position in the very first matches, but then went a long streak (from October to the end of January) struggling a lot. I don't know if he's better or worse than Salah but I don't think it's fair to compare them either. Salah was in Switzerland and is one and half year younger (although I don't see a high ceiling for him either, he's useful, he offers something different, but at the same time he's nothing special imo).I also don't see a point at all of keeping Moses here... HG or not.damn barbara always says the final words, u should assist jose as manager assistant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 He's been consistently shit since after last Afcon. Needs to join some relegation side and get back to the basics that made him so dangerous at Wigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I don't rate Victor Moses at all.Fucking harsh.He's a decent player who did a decent job for us when we were in a tough spot. Don't quite get the derision some supporters have towards him because he really doesn't deserve it. As a player he has his uses, specifically in a counter-attacking system but he probably won't be here for much longer. Simple fact is that he probably did more than certain players who cost three times as much. Amblève. and Chelsea Legend 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Fucking harsh.He's a decent player who did a decent job for us when we were in a tough spot. Don't quite get the derision some supporters have towards him because he really doesn't deserve it. As a player he has his uses, specifically in a counter-attacking system but he probably won't be here for much longer. Simple fact is that he probably did more than certain players who cost three times as much.Maybe the fact he went to Liverpool, praised their club's glorious fucking history and told everyone how he knew straight away they were going to win the league ahead of Chelsea has something to do with many of us disliking him. In his one season at Chelsea I would say he pretty much did what was asked of him. He was bought only as a squad player and was not completely useless but not very good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Maybe the fact he went to Liverpool, praised their club's glorious fucking history and told everyone how he knew straight away they were going to win the league ahead of Chelsea has something to do with many of us disliking him. You really shouldn't put any weight behind any of that. Brendan Rodgers, Sturridge, Joe Cole etc... It's part of the deluded Liverpool PR system. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 You really shouldn't put any weight behind any of that. Brendan Rodgers, Sturridge, Joe Cole etc... It's part of the deluded Liverpool PR system. Has he ever showed anything special while here? People talk about us not giving chances to players, he had plenty. His best role here was impact sub - which sometimes worked and others didn't.Should I rate him for that? He counts as HG and that is his biggest advantage. Instead of having him - who seems to have a limited ceiling = I'd rather give one of kids with real potential coming from the youth a chance to see if their potential comes to fruition.He isn't a bad footballer - but like Ryan Bertrand (who I also don't rate at all) - he isn't a profile to a club as big as Chelsea, even as a super sub. Our super sub last season was Schurrle. This season could be one among Oscar, Schurrle and Willian (depending on who starts and who doesn't). Can you even compare Moses to one of those guys?Salah is still new here and young in general coming from a soft league, so I won't include him in the list, but Oscar, Schurrle and Willian (even with his end product problem we've just talked about) are a different beast compared to Moses. They're higher level.People talking about Moses did here seem to forget what he didn't... when he came and worked, yeah, it was a great impact. But many times he was subbed in and did absolutely bollocks. Like Ramires (though not to that extension) what makes him 'special' is physical rather than technical. He's strong, he's fast, but he isn't that technical. The Chels, robsblubot and Madmax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 6, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted August 6, 2014 Has he ever showed anything special while here? People talk about us not giving chances to players, he had plenty. His best role here was impact sub - which sometimes worked and others didn't.Should I rate him for that? He counts as HG and that is his biggest advantage. Instead of having him - who seems to have a limited ceiling = I'd rather give one of kids with real potential coming from the youth a chance to see if their potential comes to fruition.He isn't a bad footballer - but like Ryan Bertrand (who I also don't rate at all) - he isn't a profile to a club as big as Chelsea, even as a super sub. Our super sub last season was Schurrle. This season could be one among Oscar, Schurrle and Willian (depending on who starts and who doesn't). Can you even compare Moses to one of those guys?Salah is still new here and young in general coming from a soft league, so I won't include him in the list, but Oscar, Schurrle and Willian (even with his end product problem we've just talked about) are a different beast compared to Moses. They're higher level.People talking about Moses did here seem to forget what he didn't... when he came and worked, yeah, it was a great impact. But many times he was subbed in and did absolutely bollocks. Like Ramires (though not to that extension) what makes him 'special' is physical rather than technical. He's strong, he's fast, but he isn't that technical.I don't rate Victor Moses too highly - but then again, I don't rate Mo Salah too highly either, even though I defend the kid quite a lot. Salah definitely has the better potential between the two, but for me atm it isn't too wrong to say that they're around the same level (based on their performances in a CFC shirt). Muzchap, Barbara, Ainsley Harriott and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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