🇳🇬 Victor Moses

[Stats 7,142]

Wigan will do their best to try make sure we don't complete the move for Moses before we play them

[Kezza 1,965]

£9 million is a BIT much for him but it's inexpensive compared to other transfers.

Only just too much, 7 would of been reasonae, but cause we are Chelsea, they can put an extra mil or two on

[manpe 10,861]

Why add an 8th?

Because we are not Arsenal and we need someone who can produce instantly, instead of hampering about future all the time.

[Leif 6,006]

This is off-topic, but this is where the debate is, and I'm just going to put a thought in -

Regardless how good a passer is, if he's in the middle of the "3" in a 4-2-3-1 formation, they very rarely get to dictate a game.

Especially if you have a player like Torres, who's always trying to stand in an almost offside-position (aside from when he, for whatever reason, comes deep), that "3" will be constantly getting closed down by the opponents - which means more physicality, less time on the ball, and less 'dictating' of play.

That then leads them to pass back downwards to the double pivot - Lampard and Mikel, as they don't want to lose the ball.

That's where our problem starts - This is the point where we're supposed to recycle possession and get the ball forward again, but how often do Lampard or Mikel pick a pin-point pass out to the wing or striker from that position? They don't. They pass back to the defenders, and then we go through that silly lethargic phase of slow & awful passing - the exact opposite of what Oscar was doing for Brazil in a very similar position.

We need a playmaker in the double pivot.

People seem to think that Mata should be our primary playmaker; and I believe that's simply because we've rarely been blessed with decent passers, so people think he's now a God of passing. (He is very good though.)

Mata is an attacking midfielder.

Who dictated play at Valencia when Mata was there? Banega; not Mata.

How often did Mata even dictate play last season? On the odd occasion he got the ball. But why was it an odd occasion? Because the players we have in a deeper position are NOT playmakers - which we NEED, to either dictate play themselves or get the ball to Mata. Infact, the closest player we've had to a playmaker, besides Mata, has been David Luiz - and that's just sad.

Example -

Real Madrid play a 4-2-3-1.

Who controls the game? Xabi Alonso; in the double pivot.

Ozil to them is similar to how Mata is for us, or even Hazard (probably); Does he dictate the game? Well, sometimes in the opponents half when they're trying to break down a team; but generally Alonso does the dictating. Ozil is more the 'cutting-edge' type of player, who, after receiving a pin-point ball from Xabi Alonso, will quickly turn and play a through-ball to Ronaldo, Benzema or Di Maria.

Who does the dictating for Barcelona? Xavi.

Juventus? Pirlo.

The only player I can think of who does any dictating for a team in an advanced position is Silva at Manchester City; but their tempo rarely changes, so Silva doesn't actually 'dictate' all that much to be honest; as all the players are in harmony and doing the same thing; regardless whether he's on the field or not. They can easily just slot in Nasri for him instead, too.

Yaya Toure also does a fair bit of dictating of play - In the double pivot.

Oscar will not be able to dictate play (which is why I assume most of us have been impressed by him) if he is in the front 3.

You can say all you want that 'he can drift deep', but what happens then? We turn into a 4-3-3? Then what's the point in starting out in a 4-2-3-1 in the first place?

I'm not predicting where Oscar will play for us; but it's absolutely foolish to believe that we don't need a playmaker (which he is) in our double pivot.

(Apologies for any errors, spelling mistakes etc. Very tired.)

[capriccioso 2,545]

This is off-topic, but this is where the debate is, and I'm just going to put a thought in -

Regardless how good a passer is, if he's in the middle of the "3" in a 4-2-3-1 formation, they very rarely get to dictate a game.

Especially if you have a player like Torres, who's always trying to stand in an almost offside-position (aside from when he, for whatever reason, comes deep), that "3" will be constantly getting closed down by the opponents - which means more physicality, less time on the ball, and less 'dictating' of play.

That then leads them to pass back downwards to the double pivot - Lampard and Mikel, as they don't want to lose the ball.

That's where our problem starts - This is the point where we're supposed to recycle possession and get the ball forward again, but how often do Lampard or Mikel pick a pin-point pass out to the wing or striker from that position? They don't. They pass back to the defenders, and then we go through that silly lethargic phase of slow & awful passing - the exact opposite of what Oscar was doing for Brazil in a very similar position.

We need a playmaker in the double pivot.

People seem to think that Mata should be our primary playmaker; and I believe that's simply because we've rarely been blessed with decent passers, so people think he's now a God of passing. (He is very good though.)

Mata is an attacking midfielder.

Who dictated play at Valencia when Mata was there? Banega; not Mata.

How often did Mata even dictate play last season? On the odd occasion he got the ball... but why was it an odd occasion? Because the players we have in a deeper position are NOT playmakers - which we NEED. Infact, the closest player we've had to a playmaker, besides Mata, has been David Luiz - and that's just sad.

Example -

Real Madrid play a 4-2-3-1.

Who controls the game? Xabi Alonso; in the double pivot.

Ozil to them is similar to how Mata is for us, or even Hazard (probably); Does he dictate the game? Well, sometimes in the opponents half when they're trying to break down a team; but generally Alonso does the dictating. Ozil is more the 'cutting-edge' type of player, who, after receiving a pin-point ball from Xabi Alonso, will quickly turn and play a through-ball to Ronaldo, Benzema or Di Maria.

Who does the dictating for Barcelona? Xavi.

Juventus? Pirlo.

The only team I can think of who does the dictating for a team in an advanced position is Silva at Manchester City; but their speed of play is usually the same, so he doesn't actually 'dictate' much to be honest.

Oscar will not be able to dictate play (which is why I assume most of us have been impressed by him) if he is in the front 3.

You can say all you want that 'he can drift deep', but what happens then? We turn into a 4-3-3? Then what's the point in starting out in a 4-2-3-1 in the first place?

I'm not predicting where Oscar will play for us; but it's absolutely foolish to believe that we don't need a playmaker (which he is) in our double pivot.

(Apologies for any errors, spelling mistakes etc. Very tired.)

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[Melanicus 5,208]

Oscar should play in double pivot and that's it.

[manpe 10,861]

You can say all you want that 'he can drift deep', but what happens then? We turn into a 4-3-3? Then what's the point in starting out in a 4-2-3-1 in the first place?

It's called having fluidity. Our recent problems have been that we have been too rigid in our formations, opposition knew exactly where our players were and could man mark them out of the game. Players didn't fancy drifting into space, except for Anelka, but he was not a playmaker. 2 seasons ago we had no players who could break away from their position and be effective, last season we had Mata and it instantly paid off, but he got tired from carrying all the load. Now we will have Oscar, who is even better in that respect because he can literally play everywhere. He is not man markable and that's a good thing.

We can start out as 4-2-3-1, but with creative and intelligent players you can have as much fluidity as you want. You can change to 4-3-3 or even 4-4-2 if needed, instead of being predictable all the time. 4-2-3-1 is just a variation of 4-3-3, they are not that different and there will be multiple times in games where the formation will resemble the old 4-3-3.

But this doesn't concern Moses, so I will drop it here.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Moses to Chelsea could be finalised on Monday. Fee understood to have been agreed. via @mattlewis27

[manpe 10,861]

Moses to Chelsea could be finalised on Monday. Fee understood to have been agreed. via @mattlewis27

Great I will be pleased if he's even remotely better than Malouda and develops more in 6 years than Kalou did. If he's an improvement over these 2, then it's an automatic win, considering the fee also. A low risk signing if you ask me. Yeah it may jeopardise his career, don't care if I'm honest

Small signings like that are those who often make the difference between being good and even better. Big money signings come with a high floppage rate.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I'd like to take back all of my previous objections against Moses.

I just read that Lukaku's gone out on loan, we need a 3rd striker as soon as possible.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I'd like to take back all of my previous objections against Moses.

I just read that Lukaku's gone out on loan, we need a 3rd striker as soon as possible.

I hope Moses is not our 3rd striker. Would not be much better than going into the season with Torres, Sturridge and Lukaku IMO.

[Shane 2,275]

I hope Moses is not our 3rd striker. Would not be much better than going into the season with Torres, Sturridge and Lukaku IMO.

Lukaku and Sturridge wouldn't be happy as backups though.

[LeonDavis23 371]

surely this guy must be signed with lukaku going on loan at west brom, we need an extra striker.

[Hutcho 8,443]

moses isn't a direct replacement as a third striker however he can play there and for wigan he plays rw with di santo down the middle for many of the games. he is a useful squad player to be used when needed as a back up striker or at rw which has become his primary position.

[Hutcho 8,443]

and on the Oscar front the freedom he will get from playing cam is why he should play there. we want him to be able to get the ball and move about freely without having to ensure someone is covering his position at dm, and being limited in that way. i personally think he will play in the centre of the 3, but rdm can do what he likes and we will just have to wait and see. he could even play ramires at rw all season. which i wouldn't be too pleased with but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing ever. my 5 i think has to be

Mata Oscar hazard

mikel lampard

with rambo as a supersub for anywhere Moses as a sub at rw and st if we need to.

Marin lw

malouda lw

essien and Romeu in the pivot.

raul for anywhere if we have a lack of players for some season in a position.

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Wigan take Miyaichi from Arsenal on loan.

Think, we'll announcement Moses deal soon.

[Marvin123 534]

Wigan take Miyaichi from Arsenal on loan.

Think, we'll announcement Moses deal soon.

i think your right m8,

we seem to keep transfers quiet as of late until its done

[Superblue 6,372]

i think your right m8,

we seem to keep transfers quiet as of late until its done

The way it should be done, nobody wants another Robinho saga.

[warnie_666 1,081]

Apparently a bid is accepted

[didierforever 7,349]

and on the Oscar front the freedom he will get from playing cam is why he should play there. we want him to be able to get the ball and move about freely without having to ensure someone is covering his position at dm, and being limited in that way. i personally think he will play in the centre of the 3, but rdm can do what he likes and we will just have to wait and see. he could even play ramires at rw all season. which i wouldn't be too pleased with but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing ever. my 5 i think has to be

Mata Oscar hazard

mikel lampard

with rambo as a supersub for anywhere Moses as a sub at rw and st if we need to.

Marin lw

malouda lw

essien and Romeu in the pivot.

raul for anywhere if we have a lack of players for some season in a position.

y not

hazard mata marin/rambo. playing oscar as cam in his 1st season in epl seems to risky.