Oscar

[Essien19 1,415]

8 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Hiddink is the waster... he's wasting one of the most precious things in football (and life): time.

You missed my point though.

We are playing for nothing now. So, the club - please ignore tampon manager for now - may want to put the players they want to sell on display. Let others see them week in week and out and perhaps someone may be enticed.

For example, it may have become easier now to sell Mikel... well barring the last game (city) when he was below his usual.

Considering how they're performing, there should be an immediate change in strategy. The whole world sees how poor they really are and instead will take a look at our talents.
Time's precious, so please test the youth, we can use them next season and with nothing left to play for see who is able to put in a shift and who we better sell.
Is it that difficult? What's happened so far?! Can't get my head around it yet, unbelievable...

[robsblubot 3,529]

9 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Considering how they're performing, there should be an immediate change in strategy. The whole world sees how poor they really are and instead will take a look at our talents.
Time's precious, so please test the youth, we can use them next season and with nothing left to play for see who is able to put in a shift and who we better sell.
Is it that difficult? What's happened so far?! Can't get my head around it yet, unbelievable...

that's not how scouts work... they can certainly separate team from player performance and adjust accordingly. They look at specific attributes, under pressure and not, to create a profile. if the player doesn't play, he is essentially not in the market and it takes more work from his agent.

If form was so important, we could let go every single player we got and get the replacement from Leicester. The odds of those players having another magical season are very low though.

Teams always think they can recover a player who's had a bad season elsewhere, because if they do, it's a cheaper option.

* btw I and going by what I hear that we need cash in to fund the much needed transfers.

[Essien19 1,415]

6 minutes ago, Robguima said:

that's not how scouts work... they can certainly separate team from player performance and adjust accordingly. They look at specific attributes, under pressure and not, to create a profile. if the player doesn't play, he is essentially not in the market and it takes more work from his agent.

If form was so important, we could let go every single player we got and get the replacement from Leicester. The odds of those players having another magical season are very low though.

Teams always think they can recover a player who's had a bad season elsewhere, because if they do, it's a cheaper option.

* btw I and going by what I hear that we need cash in to fund the much needed transfers.

You've got a point there.

Nevertheless i hope we don't take the cheaper option in the summer that means going out in full swing and buying the players who finished the season on a high note.
Completely fed up with the so-called stop gaps...

The story of Leicester is a fairytale, but i think some of them could have another magical season, at least elsewhere.
Vardy is class, so is Kanté, recently gave Morgan's story a read and because of his background, he knows how to put in the hard work, imo.
Difficult to get, but i would take most of their team, team spirit matters, at Chelsea there's something seriously broken.
 

[quickpassnmove 924]

Hopefully the Chinese offer still stands or someone is interested. Chelsea need to spend big this summer. 

This summer window is the one I dreaded: too many needs for one window. The fallout of bad transfer decisions for about 5-6 previous windows.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

He's another one who will still be here come August. Just hope he won't be relied on too much. 

The powers that be will throw Oscar in the same category as Hazard (in regards to this season) and expect Oscar to come back stronger next season. Even though it's been pretty clear that that "next-step" is not in him like many believed. 

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8 minutes ago, quickpassnmove said:

Hopefully the Chinese offer still stands or someone is interested. Chelsea need to spend big this summer. 

This summer window is the one I dreaded: too many needs for one window. The fallout of bad transfer decisions for about 5-6 previous windows.

That's the only offer that does not matter... he won't move to china at this stage in his career. I hope Juventus is still in for him though.

The club cannot force a player to take an offer. Especially one with so many caveats attached to it.

[Fulham Broadway 16,920]

Saw him pass the cfcuk stand going in the opposìte direction before kick off.

 

More than likely on his way, so dont worry. Shame the lad doesnt seem to have the talent neccesary.

[lucio 5,418]

this is where he belongs

[Styles 9,790]

9 hours ago, Robguima said:

Hiddink is the waster... he's wasting one of the most precious things in football (and life): time.

You missed my point though.

We are playing for nothing now. So, the club - please ignore tampon manager for now - may want to put the players they want to sell on display. Let others see them week in week and out and perhaps someone may be enticed.

For example, it may have become easier now to sell Mikel... well barring the last game (city) when he was below his usual.

This doesn't make any sense. So why wasn't Oscar playing when we were still in competitions like the FA Cup and Champions League? He isn't playing because he's shit, not because his Chelsea future is secured.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

He should be sold before Conte sees him. Somehow both Mourinho and Hiddink have underlined how amazingly naturally gifted Oscar is. I think he really is a master in training.

 

[MihaiM24 156]

16 hours ago, Pizy said:

It's inevitable that he'll improve significantly for a new club in a new league. Any other league will be easier for him than the PL. Unlike Kevin De Bruyne, Oscar doesn't have near that ability. He can't singlehandedly run games and carry teams with magical skill like Kev. He's just not on that level.

Just can't see him coming back to haunt us in a couple of years like Lukaku and Kev have. Well quickly move past Oscar if we get someone who actually puts up numbers and doesn't go missing for weeks at a time. We need production and consistency.

I know Oscar is shit, but he had moments when he ran the show in Brazil.. why can't he do the same thing for us ffs

[Spike 12,049]

8 hours ago, lucio said:

this is where he belongs

 

More entertaining than nearly two years of Chelsea. 

[chelseafan26 293]

9 hours ago, lucio said:

this is where he belongs

Cant Stop Laughing.

Also Seems about right.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

I haven't completely given up on Oscar.  It's true, I don't think he's progressed much.  But, I don't think he's a real no.10.  I see him as more of a CM in a 433 type of system.  Could possibly be a 10 in a 2 striker formation.  Basically, I don't think he has the mentality for a second striker type role.  

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9 hours ago, Styles said:

This doesn't make any sense. So why wasn't Oscar playing when we were still in competitions like the FA Cup and Champions League? He isn't playing because he's shit, not because his Chelsea future is secured.

Please don't argue about the point of Oscar being shit or not... that's not it. You think he is shit, and I agree he's been shit... IMO the others are equally shit, hence the results, but I digress.

My point remains that this is the time to play:

a - youngsters, so they get minutes and show whether they can be used right away or not

b - players who you want to sell: put them on display so scouts can sell the idea to other clubs.

[the wes 7,212]

 

"We and Chelsea respect each other. We're proud that Conte is now their manager, as five years ago we took a risk on him against many odds. I hope we can make some transfer dealings with Chelsea in the future."

-Giuseppe Marotta; source: Radio Rai via Goal

I hope he's hinting that juventus is going to sign Oscar 

[chelseafan26 293]

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

Please don't argue about the point of Oscar being shit or not... that's not it. You think he is shit, and I agree he's been shit... IMO the others are equally shit, hence the results, but I digress.

My point remains that this is the time to play:

a - youngsters, so they get minutes and show whether they can be used right away or not

b - players who you want to sell: put them on display so scouts can sell the idea to other clubs.

Why would we even care about (b) players. The only players that should be playing are the ones that are going to stay in the club and actually want to play. Playing youth with unmotivated wankers is the worst thing you can do to their development.

[Styles 9,790]

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

Please don't argue about the point of Oscar being shit or not... that's not it. You think he is shit, and I agree he's been shit... IMO the others are equally shit, hence the results, but I digress.

My point remains that this is the time to play:

a - youngsters, so they get minutes and show whether they can be used right away or not

b - players who you want to sell: put them on display so scouts can sell the idea to other clubs.

No your point doesn't stand because you're implying Oscar isn't playing because his place is secured. He was dropped because he's a bad player, not because youngsters are being given a go and /or others are being put on the shop window.

Perhaps Oscar isn't playing because he's so shit the club don't want to put off any potential buyers.