Oscar

[meetdoscar 335]

Scored a cracker vs bolton, created many chances vs sportin, closes down and presses Arsenal to the irritation of wenger. Three very good games showing three very different qualities of a great tactically outstanding player.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Scored a cracker vs bolton, created many chances vs sportin, closes down and presses Arsenal to the irritation of wenger. Three very good games showing three very different qualities of a great tactically outstanding player.

Damn. Reading this just made me think. If oscar fulfills his potential, he could be one of the most complete and all round midfielders.

[pattieboyd 56]

How Jose Mourinho turned Oscar into a new breed of number 10

[Rom2013 446]

He needs to do a lot more in attack. He is a number 10, it's not enough.

And we need another number 10 next season to compete with him.

[iseah100 5,612]

He needs to do a lot more in attack. He is a number 10, it's not enough.

And we need another number 10 next season to compete with him.

Umm...what? How many times does it have to be said our 10 isn't a traditional 10? Sheesh. He is playing amazing these last few games, enjoy it.

[Rom2013 446]

Umm...what? How many times does it have to be said our 10 isn't a traditional 10? Sheesh. He is playing amazing these last few games, enjoy it.

He is not a trditional number 10 because he is not good enough in terms of quality and consistency. I saw for example Ozil doing this kind of work in Camp Nou and doing well in attack.

I remember for example one game that Ozil and Kaka played together there and Ozil was absolutely amazing (it was the game he hit the bar).

He is not a defender. He needs to defend in big games but also do something in attack.

In reality the only 2 players playing really well in almost avery games were Fabregas and Costa, all the others need to improve.

[iseah100 5,612]

He is not a trditional number 10 because he is not good enough in terms of quality and consistency. I saw for example Ozil doing this kind of work in Camp Nou and doing well in attack.

I remember for example one game that Ozil and Kaka played together there and Ozil was absolutely amazing (it was the game he hit the bar).

He is not a defender. He needs to defend in big games but also do something in attack.

In reality the only 2 players playing really well in almost avery games were Fabregas and Costa, all the others need to improve.

He's not a traditional number 10 because Jose demands different things from him than most managers. If he went to PSG, Real, Barca, etc he would shine, like Ozil did.

I'm interested in what you define as "playing well" because besides 1 match from Hazard, he has been amazing every league game.

[Tomo 21,751]

He is not a trditional number 10 because he is not good enough in terms of quality and consistency. I saw for example Ozil doing this kind of work in Camp Nou and doing well in attack.

I remember for example one game that Ozil and Kaka played together there and Ozil was absolutely amazing (it was the game he hit the bar).

He is not a defender. He needs to defend in big games but also do something in attack.

In reality the only 2 players playing really well in almost avery games were Fabregas and Costa, all the others need to improve.

The "traditional" number 10 is a role slowly dying out in the English game especially. Ozils struggling, Coutinhos struggling, Matas struggling, not really a coincidence.

The game in England is getting more fast paced by the season the role of a free number ten who only has to focus on playing killer passes are long gone, just like a striker that looks like a talentless donkey unless he scores is also very quickly becoming a thing of the past.

The games evolving to suit all round athletic players, like Oscar.

[Barbara 15,149]

He is not a trditional number 10 because he is not good enough in terms of quality and consistency. I saw for example Ozil doing this kind of work in Camp Nou and doing well in attack.

I remember for example one game that Ozil and Kaka played together there and Ozil was absolutely amazing (it was the game he hit the bar).

He is not a defender. He needs to defend in big games but also do something in attack.

In reality the only 2 players playing really well in almost avery games were Fabregas and Costa, all the others need to improve.

Sorry to doubt your word, but you must be confused. I'd love a link to highlights or the whole match you're referring to. Ozil has NEVER done what Oscar normally does in terms of work-rate and pressing for two simple reasons: 1) he can't. He doesn't know how, he isn't capable of, it's not among his skills; 2) Mourinho never demanded it from him because he knew Ozil's limitations.

I'm not saying Ozil didn't do better than he's been doing at Arsenal, because Mourinho would never accept him to do what he does under Wenger, but Ozil is lazy (mostly due to low stamina, but also he's that kind of player) and slow in addition to having technical limitations to mark and pressure. I really have no idea what you're talking about...

Also people need to get a grip... Oscar was creative in both the matches against Bolton and Sporting. He created some of our best chances, he's doing better offensively. He could have ended up with more assists if we didn't miss so many goals. And he also created the chances for others to give the assist. I think he can improve his consistency, but if he keeps creating what he did in those two matches, we really don't need him to do much better. Against Arsenal he was fulfilling a tactical role he was probably assigned to. As José said he improved during the match as the time passed because as time passed he was more and more needed in the tactical function he had than being creative.

[Rom2013 446]

Sorry to doubt your word, but you must be confused. I'd love a link to highlights or the whole match you're referring to. Ozil has NEVER done what Oscar normally does in terms of work-rate and pressing for two simple reasons: 1) he can't. He doesn't know how, he isn't capable of, it's not among his skills; 2) Mourinho never demanded it from him because he knew Ozil's limitations.

I'm not saying Ozil didn't do better than he's been doing at Arsenal, because Mourinho would never accept him to do what he does under Wenger, but Ozil is lazy (mostly due to low stamina, but also he's that kind of player) and slow in addition to having technical limitations to mark and pressure. I really have no idea what you're talking about...

Also people need to get a grip... Oscar was creative in both the matches against Bolton and Sporting. He created some of our best chances, he's doing better offensively. He could have ended up with more assists if we didn't miss so many goals. And he also created the chances for others to give the assist. I think he can improve his consistency, but if he keeps creating what he did in those two matches, we really don't need him to do much better. Against Arsenal he was fulfilling a tactical role he was probably assigned to. As José said he improved during the match as the time passed because as time passed he was more and more needed in the tactical function he had than being creative.

This one was the one I was talking about. Every player in Real Madrid did magnificent games defensively, for example Di Maria in many games almost was a full back.

This is an incredible game of the number 10. Defending and attacking, what a great nº 10 should do even against Guardiola Barcelona in the Camp Nou (Real Madrid was eliminated in this game but Real did an incredible game, and you could smell the fear of the players and fans of Barcelona in this game).

"Un Özil extraordinario dominó de cabo a rabo el choque. El Madrid afinó la puntería tarde y sus dos goles fueron insuficientes. Pasa el Barcelona, que fue muy superior en la ida." / "An amazing Ozil domited all the game" (Marca)

http://www.marca.com/marcador/futbol/2011_12/copa/cuartos/vuelta/bar_rma/asilovivimos.html

[papito 8]

but his goal is not to defend but to score goals then i don't understand why some people said he was great . his workrate was unbelievable but he's not a defender lol

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

He is an all round midfielder. He does not have a designated 'job'. He isn't told to go out, assist or score and don't forget to press!

The boss even said costa dies not need to score to do what is needed for the time. Just see the penalty against arsenal, his movement made space.

Oscar is there as glue. He supports Costa as the main presser, he drops deep to cover Fabregas, he pulls wide to allow space for Eden and the others behind the striker, he offers options to cesc to keep possession, he covers the space left by the other attackers. He also is there to provide support for the attack.

He is not the star, to be honest he is a good cm that plays high but inevitably ends up all over the pitch.

[papito 8]

he does everything actually lol

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Neymar posted this on Twitter. Anyone that follows Brazilian football knows why this image is special.

[Barbara 15,149]

This one was the one I was talking about. Every player in Real Madrid did magnificent games defensively, for example Di Maria in many games almost was a full back.

This is an incredible game of the number 10. Defending and attacking, what a great nº 10 should do even against Guardiola Barcelona in the Camp Nou (Real Madrid was eliminated in this game but Real did an incredible game, and you could smell the fear of the players and fans of Barcelona in this game).

"Un Özil extraordinario dominó de cabo a rabo el choque. El Madrid afinó la puntería tarde y sus dos goles fueron insuficientes. Pasa el Barcelona, que fue muy superior en la ida." / "An amazing Ozil domited all the game" (Marca)

http://www.marca.com/marcador/futbol/2011_12/copa/cuartos/vuelta/bar_rma/asilovivimos.html

You provided the video, but somehow I feel you proved my point further. Either you didn't understand what Tomo was explaining a #10 does in England or you're mistaking the whole thing...

So again, what is exactly your point? That Ozil is more creative than Oscar? Everyone knows it for a fact. What makes no sense is telling that Ozil can make all the pressing, marking and defensive work Oscar does as you said he can do. He can't and he has never done it in a match I've watched. And we were saying that those skills are necessary for a #10 to be really useful in English football. So I still don't get you....

But here's a practical thing

better quality vid of yours

Oscar vs Sporting last week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtaS9sixyA&list=UUXwtgFK_8wdpMZXmcZC0usg

I would suggest you to count and compare, but I did the counting for you, so you can check if you want.

I compared both videos and this is what I've got (Ozil x Oscar)

Tackles in opponent half: 2 x 2

Tackles in his half: 0 x 3

Total Tackles: 2 x 5

Clearances: 0 x 1

Interception: 1 x 0

Pressing occasions: 1 x 3

Insistent pressing occasions*: 0 x 1

Aerial Duels won: 0 x 1

Chances created: 1 x 1

Clear cut chances created: 2 x 3

Pass before the assist: 1 x 2

Through balls: 2 x 5

Shots on goal: 3 (2 blocked, one wood work) x 1 (sitter saved by goalie)

Dispossessed/turnover: 6 x 1

*when the player pressed once, twice, but didn't let go, keep closing gaps as the opposition exchanged passes - pressing more than on player in sequence.

(take notice of how many times he was dispossessed, most of them didn't involve him trying to dribble, it was about first touch, ball control or being tackled by opposition)

Sorry but I don't feel Ozil even close to Oscar in the work-rate department and to be honest, Oscar was better even in the creative part (and still there were people on the live thread saying Oscar couldn't pick one pass in the attack). What people are talking here is his tactical flexibility. In a normal day, where he doesn't have to play deeper, he'll do everything Ozil did defensively in that match and so much more. He puts pressure all the time, he presses many times during a match, he tackles, both in our half and the opponents half, he protects our box, he does the never-giving-up- kind of pressing. In the Sporting match as showed above he did all that and still got five through balls, created three clear cut chances plus another chance created and had the pass before what could have been an assist twice.

I did those stats myself based on those two vids, instead of going to Squawka, for example. So I can only talk about I've watched... still this video by you doesn't prove Ozil can do even half of what Oscar does defensively/pressing and in that said match compared to Oscar's against Sporting, Oscar was better not only defensively, but also creatively. Which doesn't mean he's more creative than Ozil, he isn't, I'm just refuting your initial point.