Oscar

[rantdeville 195]

Wasn't that long ago when everyone kept dying a little inside on posting probable lineups with Anelka as right winger. The squad is nearly unrecognisable.

Seriously. Kalou and Anelka at right wing. It was a pick-your-poison scenario.

Now were arguing over fabregas and oscar at the #10. Not bad.

[iseah100 5,612]

Why can Cesc play #8 and Oscar can't?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Why can Cesc play #8 and Oscar can't?

Actually a good question. Same size, Oscar better in tackles. The only reason I can think of is that fabregas has played there before.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Actually a good question. Same size, Oscar better in tackles. The only reason I can think of is that fabregas has played there before.

But Oscar also doesn't have the passing capabilities that Cesc has from deep. Cesc's ability to deliver accurate lob through balls is second to none, and like Mourinho said, his ability to read the game and see thing before they happen is also what separates him from Oscar imo. I think it's clear JM doesn't view Oscar as a DLP, and neither should we.

[Whiskey 173]

Why can Cesc play #8 and Oscar can't?

Why can birds fly and whales cant?

[Barbara 15,149]

Actually a good question. Same size, Oscar better in tackles. The only reason I can think of is that fabregas has played there before.

But Oscar also doesn't have the passing capabilities that Cesc has from deep. Cesc's ability to deliver accurate lob through balls is second to none, and like Mourinho said, his ability to read the game and see thing before they happen is also what separates him from Oscar imo. I think it's clear JM doesn't view Oscar as a DLP, and neither should we.

Oscar doesn't have stamina and isn't strong enough to handle 90 minutes in the pivot. It's one thing to keep pressing and tackling in the final third - where he wins most of his tackles anyway (though the most accurate zone he wins them is in the opposite half), and another completely different to have to bug attackers in our own half of the pitch for 90 minutes. I think Oscar doesn't have the physical requirements to play in the pivot, even as #8 that can handle some lighter players, but he's way too light and I don't think he's the same size as Cesc. Isn't Cesc more muscled and heavier? I do know he's stronger for sure, although Oscar is surprisingly strong for his slim figure. He protects the ball quite well with his body for someone so light in a league with such bulked players as the EPL.

edit: just checked CFC site. They're the same height (179cm) but Cesc has nearly 20kg more (67kg compared to 85kg).

[romeeh 139]

Oscar doesn't have stamina and isn't strong enough to handle 90 minutes in the pivot. It's one thing to keep pressing and tackling in the final third - where he wins most of his tackles anyway (though the most accurate zone he wins them is in the opposite half), and another completely different to have to bug attackers in our own half of the pitch for 90 minutes. I think Oscar doesn't have the physical requirements to play in the pivot, even as #8 that can handle some lighter players, but he's way too light and I don't think he's the same size as Cesc. Isn't Cesc more muscled and heavier? I do know he's stronger for sure, although Oscar is surprisingly strong for his slim figure. He protects the ball quite well with his body for someone so light in a league with such bulked players as the EPL.

edit: just checked CFC site. They're the same height (179cm) but Cesc has nearly 20kg more (67kg compared to 85kg).

muscles can be always make by going to gem but its just mentally cesc is better he is like a manager playing with them and he enjoying giving throw pass to his mate players to score unlike oscar he trying to score by himself to make his name...he still young and need more experience to figure out that he playing for the team not for his name

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Oscar doesn't have stamina and isn't strong enough to handle 90 minutes in the pivot. It's one thing to keep pressing and tackling in the final third - where he wins most of his tackles anyway (though the most accurate zone he wins them is in the opposite half), and another completely different to have to bug attackers in our own half of the pitch for 90 minutes. I think Oscar doesn't have the physical requirements to play in the pivot, even as #8 that can handle some lighter players, but he's way too light and I don't think he's the same size as Cesc. Isn't Cesc more muscled and heavier? I do know he's stronger for sure, although Oscar is surprisingly strong for his slim figure. He protects the ball quite well with his body for someone so light in a league with such bulked players as the EPL.

edit: just checked CFC site. They're the same height (179cm) but Cesc has nearly 20kg more (67kg compared to 85kg).

Looks like it's a typo. His weight everywhere is 75kg. Silly mistake by the official site.

[Barbara 15,149]

Looks like it's a typo. His weight everywhere is 75kg. Silly mistake by the official site.

but still a significant different imo. You don't need the exact weight to say Cesc is stronger than Oscar. And he's more pestering too, more annoying, he has the physical and personality aspects to work well in the pivot. Oscar is almost a lady when it comes to pestering. He's so polite and well behaved, lol. He won't pester like Cesc will. I'm not even embarrassed of saying I appreciate Cesc's cuntish behavior now he plays for us

but thanks for correcting me, and yeah, the official site is moronic, lol.

[zolayes 14,489]

8kg is only just over a stone .. and they are different body types .. I dont buy into the idea Oscar is frail .. he is wiry and strong

[Barbara 15,149]

8kg is only just over a stone .. and they are different body types .. I dont buy into the idea Oscar is frail .. he is wiry and strong

as I said, he can handle some bulked guys quite well for someone as light. But that's when he has the ball and the other is harassing him. When roles are reversed, and he has to take the ball away from the bulked guy protecting it, he isn't as effective.

The thing is people don't always take into account that the players Oscar tackle as an AM aren't the same players he'll tackle as a pivot player nor in the same situations. So opposition just recovered the ball and they're trying the break, normally running or at least not exactly still, then Oscar runs behind them, tackles and boom, possession recovered. Now imagine players in their final third, exchanging quick passes or holding possession, protecting the ball and little Oscar trying to intercept it or tackle them. It's a more challenging position imo, especially when you do that 100% of the time you're in the pitch.

And also as others said, the main reason we have Cesc in the pivot isn't even because of his defensive skills, Oscar himself and Matic will offer coverage for that. Cesc is there to be the guy that thinks quickly and who has an incredible accurate pass that will provide us amazing through balls and to break in the counter with much more quality. Oscar doesn't have enough quality (yet) to do that as a CAM, let alone as a DLP. If we move Oscar to the pivot we'll extenuate him physically quickly and we'll be even further burned out because the position is more demanding physically and we'll be very limited in the quick, smart transition as he doesn't play with his head high (one of his biggest problems and detractors imo).

[Daniel1980 1,425]

as I said, he can handle some bulked guys quite well for someone as light. But that's when he has the ball and the other is harassing him. When roles are reversed, and he has to take the ball away from the bulked guy protecting it, he isn't as effective.

The thing is people don't always take into account that the players Oscar tackle as an AM aren't the same players he'll tackle as a pivot player nor in the same situations. So opposition just recovered the ball and they're trying the break, normally running or at least not exactly still, then Oscar runs behind them, tackles and boom, possession recovered. Now imagine players in their final third, exchanging quick passes or holding possession, protecting the ball and little Oscar trying to intercept it or tackle them. It's a more challenging position imo, especially when you do that 100% of the time you're in the pitch.

And also as others said, the main reason we have Cesc in the pivot isn't even because of his defensive skills, Oscar himself and Matic will offer coverage for that. Cesc is there to be the guy that thinks quickly and who has an incredible accurate pass that will provide us amazing through balls and to break in the counter with much more quality. Oscar doesn't have enough quality (yet) to do that as a CAM, let alone as a DLP. If we move Oscar to the pivot we'll extenuate him physically quickly and we'll be even further burned out because the position is more demanding physically and we'll be very limited in the quick, smart transition as he doesn't play with his head high (one of his biggest problems and detractors imo).

Tbh, I'm not sure Fabs has a better stamina than Oscar. Might be wrong, though.

[romeeh 139]

Tbh, I'm not sure Fabs has a better stamina than Oscar. Might be wrong, though.

anyway i think oscar might play with fabregas but as a winger or in front of fabregas

[bababoom 4,478]

The main reason Cesc is so important in the pivot is his ability to control the tempo and pace of the game. His passing is also on another level, we have no one like Cesc in our squad.

Oscar doesn't offer anything new or different in the pivot Imo, We already have a player who can operate deeper, has good stamina and work rate, who can tackle and play box to box, that player is MVG.

[Barbara 15,149]

The main reason Cesc is so important in the pivot is his ability to control the tempo and pace of the game. His passing is also on another level, we have no one like Cesc in our squad.

What would Oscar actually offer us in the pivot? We already have a player who can operate deeper, has good stamina and work rate, who can tackle and play box to box, that player is MVG.

Absolutely agree, if Cesc doesn't work there or if we want him at #10, move Oscar to the bench and replace Cesc in the pivot for MvG.

[romeeh 139]

Absolutely agree, if Cesc doesn't work there or if we want him at #10, move Oscar to the bench and replace Cesc in the pivot for MvG

nope, both will play togther, i think jose will try find way to use both of them like..

Fabregas/oscar/ramaires Matic

willian/shurrle/salah oscar /Fabregas Hazard

costa

[zolayes 14,489]

nope, both will play togther, i think jose will try find way to use both of them like..

Fabregas/oscar/ramaires Matic

willian/shurrle/salah oscar /Fabregas Hazard

costa

agree think he will try them together .. I am so pleased we have Cesc ,, imo he will add so much to our game ..

[The Chels 2,502]

Absolutely agree, if Cesc doesn't work there or if we want him at #10, move Oscar to the bench and replace Cesc in the pivot for MvG.

You know it would be Ramires

[bethos1 802]

You know it would be Ramires

Anyone but Ramires please, I really don't want to see him in the pivot.

[Barbara 15,149]

You know it would be Ramires

don't crush my dreams!!!!