Oscar

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He may be 23 years old but how long more can we stick with that as an excuse? There's hardly been any marked improvement in his game and/or performances. He's been inconsistent and there's hardly even a gradual improvement in his abilities as a player.

Moreover, I don't think people are scared that he's going to go AWOL again for the second half of the season. More of frustration than anything else. Can't keep playing players who don't bother to turn up and have passengers in the starting XI.

Oscar is annoyingly inconsistent in his passing but he's still important in our pressing style.

Tbh if someone like isco, Koke or reus available in the summer then we have a case to get rid of Oscar, but it's not easy to find available players that have his workrate and still have good vision too.

[Barbara 15,149]

All i know is that as soon Oscar puts good few good performances, he will be again undropabble by same people who want him out now.

Just take a look at Willian thread.

That doesn't apply to Oscar though. When he's playing well either this thread is very quiet or people come nitpick like they did when he picked 5 uncompleted passes in the second half (I guess against Liverpool).

In general people have a hard time admitting they're wrong, so they rather just disappear from here.

Oscar is annoyingly inconsistent in his passing but he's still important in our pressing style.

Tbh if someone like isco, Koke or reus available in the summer then we have a case to get rid of Oscar, but it's not easy to find available players that have his workrate and still have good vision too.

Even if a better guy comes along, we should keep him. We don't want to be like that in another position. We don't have any replacement at all for Cesc, Matic is pretty much hard to replace too. It's not enough to have only one amazing player. We need a replacement that can do at least part of work.

Last season Mourinho rotated much more in the AMs positions. Only Hazard had a captive position in the starting XI. If a better CAM comes along, Oscar can start a few matches there (when the other guy needs a rest or is injured) and he can even take turns in wing with Willian (I refuse to include Cuadrado until he proves to me he isn't Willian 2.0 - meaning he won't add much and will take more than a season to start producing well, adapting to the physicality).

[Jase 43,479]

Oscar is annoyingly inconsistent in his passing but he's still important in our pressing style.

Tbh if someone like isco, Koke or reus available in the summer then we have a case to get rid of Oscar, but it's not easy to find available players that have his workrate and still have good vision too.

Wasn't talking about his passing, but overall performances. When he goes AWOL, even our pressing suffers.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just a little warning for those who want to ditch hard workers for players who "produce more".

Real Madrid have Bale, Ronaldo and James behind the striker and have just lost to Atletico for the 4th time this season.

The importance of balance in a team is so overlooked it's ridiculous.

[didierforever 7,349]

Just a little warning for those who want to ditch hard workers for players who "produce more".

Real Madrid have Bale, Ronaldo and James behind the striker and have just lost to Atletico for the 4th time this season.

The importance of balance in a team is so overlooked it's ridiculous.

ronaldo and bale dont track back. watch niguez's goal. watch how bale leaves him totally free to run, something we all should agree willian is great at, and please just watch villa's goal and see how good oscar really is in defending.

no one is overlooking the importance of balance.but that is not what oscar is providing. saying is oscar is providing balance and people are just overlooking his "importance" takes me back 4-5 years when people so adamantly said the same things about miikel.

replacing oscar with willian and cuadrado on the RW for this season and then asking for cesc to be played in the no.10 position with a pivot of pogba-matic is hardly wanting to play an unbalanced team.

[Tomo 21,751]

ronaldo and bale dont track back. watch niguez's goal. watch how bale leaves him totally free to run, something we all should agree willian is great at, and please just watch villa's goal and see how good oscar really is in defending.

no one is overlooking the importance of balance.but that is not what oscar is providing. saying is oscar is providing balance and people are just overlooking his "importance" takes me back 4-5 years when people so adamantly said the same things about miikel.

replacing oscar with willian and cuadrado on the RW for this season and then asking for cesc to be played in the no.10 position with a pivot of pogba-matic is hardly wanting to play an unbalanced team.

I wasn't talking about Oscar per se despite this being his thread, what I am trying to say is it may sound good signing a flashy number 10 and a "right midfielder like Hazard" but unless there prepared to do donkey work we will face the same problems against well balanced sides just like Real do against Atletico (I called it in the summer that Leti will have the beating of Real this season, im not remotely surprised by the record Real simply have too many "best players" if that makes sense).

Also Oscar's productivity has improved a lot this season anyway, he has scored 6 goals this season and 5 have opened the scoring, Palace and Newcastle especially could well have ended up in dropped point's if Oscar didn't score when he did and the Villa and Swansea goals set the tempo for an easy match.

If we lift the title in May, Oscar and Willian have earned their medals as much as anyone.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

I wasn't talking about Oscar per se despite this being his thread, what I am trying to say is it may sound good signing a flashy number 10 and a "right midfielder like Hazard" but unless there prepared to do donkey work we will face the same problems against well balanced sides just like Real do against Atletico (I called it in the summer that Leti will have the beating of Real this season, im not remotely surprised by the record Real simply have too many "best players" if that makes sense).

Also Oscar's productivity has improved a lot this season anyway, he has scored 6 goals this season and 5 have opened the scoring, Palace and Newcastle especially could well have ended up in dropped point's if Oscar didn't score when he did and the Villa and Swansea goals set the tempo for an easy match.

If we lift the title in May, Oscar and Willian have earned their medals as much as anyone.

Even Mikel would be

[didierforever 7,349]

I wasn't talking about Oscar per se despite this being his thread, what I am trying to say is it may sound good signing a flashy number 10 and a "right midfielder like Hazard" but unless there prepared to do donkey work we will face the same problems against well balanced sides just like Real do against Atletico (I called it in the summer that Leti will have the beating of Real this season, im not remotely surprised by the record Real simply have too many "best players" if that makes sense).

Also Oscar's productivity has improved a lot this season anyway, he has scored 6 goals this season and 5 have opened the scoring, Palace and Newcastle especially could well have ended up in dropped point's if Oscar didn't score when he did and the Villa and Swansea goals set the tempo for an easy match.

If we lift the title in May, Oscar and Willian have earned their medals as much as anyone.

fair enough, but i dont think anyone here is wanting to buy just attacking players. people want a reus or someone who is as adept defensively as oscar.

those stats are so misleading. the newcastle goal opener was a tap in after willian's hard work. infact after a half where he must have lost the ball 50% of the time he touched is the bare minimum he was supposed to do. we were lucky not to be 2-0/3-0 down after being exposed defensively by his constant give aways. we dont seem to control the game like we should be doing with him on the pitch and his performances are no where near the ones that our no.1 no10 should be putting.

fair enough, but so would GC and mikel and everyone who has played there respective parts, but it still does not mean that there is no room for improvement. teams like city wont always have such a poor season as they are having currently (unable to beat woeful hull and giving away 2-0 leads to sunderland and burnley, losing to stoke at etihad, losing to arsenal at etihad).

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I wasn't talking about Oscar per se despite this being his thread, what I am trying to say is it may sound good signing a flashy number 10 and a "right midfielder like Hazard" but unless there prepared to do donkey work we will face the same problems against well balanced sides just like Real do against Atletico (I called it in the summer that Leti will have the beating of Real this season, im not remotely surprised by the record Real simply have too many "best players" if that makes sense).

Also Oscar's productivity has improved a lot this season anyway, he has scored 6 goals this season and 5 have opened the scoring, Palace and Newcastle especially could well have ended up in dropped point's if Oscar didn't score when he did and the Villa and Swansea goals set the tempo for an easy match.

If we lift the title in May, Oscar and Willian have earned their medals as much as anyone.

Exactly. He's not perfect but unless there is absolute quality available there's no point in throwing away our 4th goal contributer.

Wasn't talking about his passing, but overall performances. When he goes AWOL, even our pressing suffers.

His overall performance mostly has to do with an attitude of Oscar to not know how to pass a ball for 45mins in some matches once in a while but he's one of our top scorers and he's found a way to score while playing bad, which is a good trait.

[The Mak 4,459]

Can we just agree that if PSG come in for him again that we sell up for the big bucks and move for someone like Koké or even Isco (who will inevitably be pushed out if Reus arrives)?

I wasn't convinced by him last season, particularly because he seemed to 'save himself' for the WC, but I was all for him having one more season to show improvement. So far, he hasn't shown much. His inconsistency in particular has been absolutely infuriating. I mean, why make the argument that he is needed for 'pressing and winning the ball back' if he continues to give the ball away himself while under no pressure? He has been taken off at half time a few times already this season, but he should've been taken off even more than that.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Anyone who says we should sell him is wrong. He's still 23, plenty of time to improve especially as midfielders tend to get better later in their careers.

But we know his weakness and his strengths so far and because of his poor 2nd half to the season last year people are scared it's happening again.

I don't mind him sticking around. He'd make an excellent squad player. Just don't think he's good enough as our starting #10.

[CFC888 219]

When he goes AWOL, even our pressing suffers.

I suppose we would want to be able to say that if he's having a shocker, at least he will still be contributing well to our pressing, but TBH his best pressing games this season have been his best passing/creating games as well if that makes sense.

[CFC888 219]

Not excusing his woeful performance yesterday, but as I said before and after the City game last weekend, Jose has been wanting to rest Oscar for a long time. The only reason he's kept his place recently is due to Cesc's injury.

From a mate inside the club, I can also say that Oscar played the Villa game with an injury concern over his right quad muscle. Can't comment on cause/severity etc., but there was a concern of some degree there. Again, not excusing his performance though.

[DanishBlue 426]

i'm personally very happy that Oscar is a Chelsea player and I wouldn't sell him unless we recieved an insane amount of money. I appreciate all the hard work that he is doing but football fans tend to go for the flashy players with wierd names and wierd hairstyles. That's not for me, I believe in the kid and will support him, and I'm 100% sure that he will be a very important player in the future. As a former pro football player myself I learned to appreciate players such as Oscar - he does a lot of hard work and gives his best to help the team instead of thinking about himself like so many other players. Teammates love that when you play together every day and it's good for the team spirit which is often ignored by people who haven't played on a fairly high level themselves.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I don't mind him sticking around. He'd make an excellent squad player. Just don't think he's good enough as

as our starting #10.

Fair enough. There could be better quality, but I don't think anyone is available/realistic now