Oscar

[robsblubot 3,595]

I was a youth development coach in the past and from what I've seen, Oscar is nothing more than a squad midfielder. He'll have some really good games and then he'll go missing in the second half of the season due to whatever reason

I can see why Jose is keeping him in the team, he offers defensive cover for Cesc and he doesn't seem to be the type that complains

That's one of the problems right there: unless you are there in training what you see isn't really that much - but you already know that. Really good games and go missing - isn't that typical of youngsters?

Have you perhaps considered that all that defensive work he is told to do by his manager may be preventing him from showing more in attack? Players have only so much energy. We don't really know what he is instructed to do, but my point (and others) is that he seems to be doing what he's been asked to do... Hence the starts and the new deal.

[The Skipper 20,609]

And when Andre is banging in goals left and right at wolfsburg and getting his created chances stats and assists at a better rate than Hazard next season, will you say the same thing?

That's stupid because I don't measure players performances by stats, I actually watch them play. Hazard is one of our key players. Oscar is not. Hazard is pretty much irreplaceable, Oscar isn't.

Me not rating Oscar as much as I used to anymore has nothing to do with KDB, the KDB example was brought up by someone and I simply elaborated on it.

[The Skipper 20,609]

But my point (and others) is that he seems to be doing what he's been asked to do... Hence the starts and the new deal.

Can you not apply this same sentence to Mikel a few years back?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Can you not apply this same sentence to Mikel a few years back?

Hey if you want to see mikel pattern of development in Oscar I cannot stop you.

Now if you are trying to convince me of it, then sorry, I say your evidence (that they are the same) is very very thin and you are missing tons of info only the coaches there have.

[Oscar 441]

That's stupid because I don't measure players performances by stats, I actually watch them play. Hazard is one of our key players. Oscar is not. Hazard is pretty much irreplaceable, Oscar isn't.

Me not rating Oscar as much as I used to anymore has nothing to do with KDB, the KDB example was brought up by someone and I simply elaborated on it.

Actually, it's not. Hazard is a crucial player to the squad as is Oscar. You say hazard is irreplaceable, but oscar isn't. However, chelsea looks a lot different when oscar doesn't play. You can see the huge difference, however, it could be due to the fact its always Mikel coming in to replace him...

Obviously, Oscar needs to improve, however, Oscar to me sacrifices a lot for the team the same way he sacrificed himself a lot so Neymar could benefit from it...

Oscar doesn't have the dribbling ability that either willian and hazard possesses, which is why a ton of people keep saying he can't play big games, however, by that thinking, Cesc should be replaced as well for ramires.

[LAM09 7,049]

Same story with him yesterday. I personally think he could be getting the chomp instead of Willian, if Juan earns a first team place.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I think oscar plays better when another creator of chances is playing with him. When the onus is on oscar to create, (no fabregas or Mata to take the creative burden) he normally disappoints.

This is because his best talent is tackling no matter how we try to beat around the bush. His job is to win the ball for the creative midfielders to create. Luckily for him pressing is a huge part of Mourinho's tactics so he'll always have a place here but I think he should play on the wings and hazard to the center when fabregas isn't playing because he disappoints if he's asked to be the creative player.

One good thing he's added to his game though is score or assist when playing shit. But his overall performance in a match has to improve, too much 4/10 performances.

[Beepu 1,714]

Oscar has been one of my favorites ever since he came but his inconsistencies... Sigh.

Still have hope that he can get better, because when he is on form he is great but that needs to happen much more often (much much more actually). Don't really want to give up on him yet but if in the summer a player like Isco becomes available then I would be happy.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I think oscar plays better when another creator of chances is playing with him. When the onus is on oscar to create, (no fabregas or Mata to take the creative burden) he normally disappoints.

This is because his best talent is tackling no matter how we try to beat around the bush. His job is to win the ball for the creative midfielders to create. Luckily for him pressing is a huge part of Mourinho's tactics so he'll always have a place here but I think he should play on the wings and hazard to the center when fabregas isn't playing because he disappoints if he's asked to be the creative player.

One good thing he's added to his game though is score or assist when playing shit. But his overall performance in a match has to improve, too much 4/10 performances.

yes, tbh we might be better off converting him into the CM and switching him with Cesc.

Though, that would require him bulking up a bit....

[BlueLyon 9,359]

All i know is that as soon Oscar puts good few good performances, he will be again undropabble by same people who want him out now.

Just take a look at Willian thread.

[Reddish-Blue 2,503]

That's one of the problems right there: unless you are there in training what you see isn't really that much - but you already know that. Really good games and go missing - isn't that typical of youngsters?

Have you perhaps considered that all that defensive work he is told to do by his manager may be preventing him from showing more in attack? Players have only so much energy. We don't really know what he is instructed to do, but my point (and others) is that he seems to be doing what he's been asked to do... Hence the starts and the new deal.

I don't think he can show any more in attack because he is not a naturally creative player. He's basically a jack of all trades but master of none type of midfielder

[kellzfresh 7,229]

All i know is that as soon Oscar puts good few good performances, he will be again undropabble by same people who want him out now.

Just take a look at Willian thread.

Anyone who says we should sell him is wrong. He's still 23, plenty of time to improve especially as midfielders tend to get better later in their careers.

But we know his weakness and his strengths so far and because of his poor 2nd half to the season last year people are scared it's happening again.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

yes, tbh we might be better off converting him into the CM and switching him with Cesc.

Though, that would require him bulking up a bit....

He won't play well in cm in my opinion. But with his pressing and tackling style of play, he would be even better if he was stronger physically.

[Jase 43,479]

Well that's one theory - that he's lucky to be here. Howerver the evidence - his many starting xi appearances as well the new deal - suggest otherwise. Is it not more logical to just assume there something Oscar does that pleases both the club and the manager? You all may disagree with Jose, but that's not going to change much.

Concerning kdb, obviously he wasn't doing much in training. Remember some comments by Jose alluring to that.

Being handed a new deal doesn't mean the manager and club are right. Even managers are prone to having blind faith on players.

Also, if we're just gonna resort to the 'Mourinho knows more than the us all' like you did there, we might as well just quit the forum and be a passive fan, agreeing with everything he does.

[Jase 43,479]

Anyone who says we should sell him is wrong. He's still 23, plenty of time to improve especially as midfielders tend to get better later in their careers.

But we know his weakness and his strengths so far and because of his poor 2nd half to the season last year people are scared it's happening again.

He may be 23 years old but how long more can we stick with that as an excuse? There's hardly been any marked improvement in his game and/or performances. He's been inconsistent and there's hardly even a gradual improvement in his abilities as a player.

Moreover, I don't think people are scared that he's going to go AWOL again for the second half of the season. More of frustration than anything else. Can't keep playing players who don't bother to turn up and have passengers in the starting XI.