🇧🇷 Oscar

[Oscar 441]

As much as I acknowledge that he has been simply brilliant for Bayern so far, he would no way near be the same at us. Would be a lot tougher playing for us, especially with the predicament we are now. I think even Cuadrado would look good playing for Bayern tbh.

I am basing it on what I see. BTW Coutinho was given MOTM against Stoke this season and that was a stunning solo effort. I just feel he has the ability to take control of the game. Dribble past players, create chances and is generally improving. Yeah, I don't think he should have made PFA team of the year but he was quality. Maybe for Brazil, Oscar is a better fit but when I watch the two play for club, excluding goals and assists, I just think Coutinho is a better player. Coutinho should really have 2 goals to his name but that was an outstanding save from Cech. Another game where he took complete control and they could not deal with him.

Physically, that is the thing, his balance has improved immensely. You only have to look from last season and the opening stages of this season to see how much of a goal threat from long range Coutinho is starting to become. Southampton, City, Stoke etc.

While Oscar is a good player and they are around the same age, I feel Coutinho has got a much higher ceiling. He has got that burst of pace, dribbling, vision and I just feel he is becoming a complete player. Agree to disagree. Before I would have said Oscar. Now I feel Coutinho is just getting better and better.

It's ironic you talk about Coutinho in a whole different light, yet Douglas Costa is an exception because he plays for Bayern Munich in Bundesliga.

If Costa cannot do it here, Coutinho definitely cannot do it here. One fixed situation is brazil and Costa has actually played well recently, while as Coutinho never played well on the senior team. You do know that Liverpool essentially plays with 3 dms in Can, Lucas and Milner. Than, there is henderson who is another dm/cm mold player. If Coutinho brought balance, he would of been considered on Brazil from a defensive minded manager in Dunga, yet a guy like Lima started against Usa and Elias.

[Stats 7,142]

It's ironic you talk about Coutinho in a whole different light, yet Douglas Costa is an exception because he plays for Bayern Munich in Bundesliga.

If Costa cannot do it here, Coutinho definitely cannot do it here. One fixed situation is brazil and Costa has actually played well recently, while as Coutinho never played well on the senior team. You do know that Liverpool essentially plays with 3 dms in Can, Lucas and Milner. Than, there is henderson who is another dm/cm mold player. If Coutinho brought balance, he would of been considered on Brazil from a defensive minded manager in Dunga, yet a guy like Lima started against Usa and Elias.

Yeah because Coutinho is performing in the biggest league in the world surrounded by much more average players and sometimes is a one man team for them. And maybe the fact that Brazil never picked Coutinho in the WC is why they performed so badly, clearly looked like a one man team and got battered 1-7 by Germany. If you are looking at club form and actually see what he produces for Liverpool on the field, then you will know how good of a player he is.

[Oscar 441]

Yeah because Coutinho is performing in the biggest league in the world surrounded by much more average players and sometimes is a one man team for them. And maybe the fact that Brazil never picked Coutinho in the WC is why they performed so badly, clearly looked like a one man team and got battered 1-7 by Germany. If you are looking at club form and actually see what he produces for Liverpool on the field, then you will know how good of a player he is.

Brazil made the semifinals and lost to the best team in the world.

I know brazil has standards of winning the world cup/tournament or failure, but it's still good compare to the rest of the world. Also, Coutinho was on the Copa team that lost this summer, so your point is invalid.

Coutinho plays well as much as Oscar plays well. If Oscar is considered inconsistent in club level, so is Coutinho than. Maybe you don't see it, but most people, especially in brazil do. Coutinho has a free license on Liverpool right now, Oscar does not. On brazil, coutinho doesn't have that license, which is why he sucks every game for Brazil

[Stats 7,142]

Brazil made the semifinals and lost to the best team in the world.

I know brazil has standards of winning the world cup/tournament or failure, but it's still good compare to the rest of the world. Also, Coutinho was on the Copa team that lost this summer, so your point is invalid.

Coutinho plays well as much as Oscar plays well. If Oscar is considered inconsistent in club level, so is Coutinho than. Maybe you don't see it, but most people, especially in brazil do.

Yeah but if Coutinho played with Neymar, I actually think they would of got to the final but Neymar got himself sent off and subsequently banned. Coutinho did not even have enough game time to show his trueself for Brazil. Did he even once play with Neymar in the Copa? Not sure.

I don't care if people in Brazil see that. I watch Chelsea every game. Probably more than most of these Brazilians who apparently say that. Bar our first game of the season against Swansea, Oscar has never really stepped up when the team was poor. Ironically he did against Newcastle when we beat them 2-0 last season with a goal and assist and that changed the game but his general performance bar those moments was poor. Coutinho regularly individually inspires Liverpool to win games on his own like those moments against City, Southampton and Stoke where not only he scored, he was the MOTM by far. Even our COC game at Anfield last season, Coutinho was the best player on the pitch imo.

Coutinho use to be inconsistent but when Oscar was fit last season, he was thoroughly inconsistent. Coutinho for the majority of last season was consistent hence why he was in the team of the season.

I hope the Brazil manager does try out Coutinho and Neymar in the same team more because I think with time it will flourish.Too much reliance on Neymar whereas Coutinho takes a lot of responsibility. I don't feel Oscar does this that much and that is why when we play bad,it is rare to see Oscar be the exception and play better than everyone else. Last season, only Hazard and Willian were players who stepped up last season when the rest of the team were below-par.

If you look at when Liverpool beat City last season and the performance Coutinho put in, I don't think I have and will see Oscar put in an individual performance like that. That is becuase imo, he does not have that type of ability that Coutinho does to change a game on his own.

[Oscar 441]

Yeah but if Coutinho played with Neymar, I actually think they would of got to the final but Neymar got himself sent off and subsequently banned. Coutinho did not even have enough game time to show his trueself for Brazil. Did he even once play with Neymar in the Copa? Not sure.

I don't care if people in Brazil see that. I watch Chelsea every game. Probably more than most of these Brazilians who apparently say that. Bar our first game of the season against Swansea, Oscar has never really stepped up when the team was poor. Ironically he did against Newcastle when we beat them 2-0 last season with a goal and assist and that changed the game but his general performance bar those moments was poor. Coutinho regularly individually inspires Liverpool to win games on his own like those moments against City, Southampton and Stoke where not only he scored, he was the MOTM by far. Even our COC game at Anfield last season, Coutinho was the best player on the pitch imo.

Coutinho use to be inconsistent but when Oscar was fit last season, he was thoroughly inconsistent. Coutinho for the majority of last season was consistent hence why he was in the team of the season.

I hope the Brazil manager does try out Coutinho and Neymar in the same team more because I think with time it will flourish.Too much reliance on Neymar whereas Coutinho takes a lot of responsibility. I don't feel Oscar does this that much and that is why when we play bad,it is rare to see Oscar be the exception and play better than everyone else. Last season, only Hazard and Willian were players who stepped up last season when the rest of the team were below-par.

If you look at when Liverpool beat City last season and the performance Coutinho put in, I don't think I have and will see Oscar put in an individual performance like that. That is becuase imo, he does not have that type of ability that Coutinho does to change a game on his own.

Last season, Coutinho was anything but consistent. He showed up after January, which is why most people thought the inclusion of Coutinho in PFA team of the year was a complete farce.

Coutinho played with Neymar after he got subbed in the beg of the second half vs Colombia and did absolutely nothing and brazil lost. Than, he had the start vs paraguay and was invisible again and brazil lost. Coutinho will not ever start for brazil as long as oscar and neymar are healthy. Oscar doesn't have the same role as Coutinho does and oscar was by far the best player against Swansea, when we played bad.... Also, maybe you forgot the performance Oscar did on Juventus. We should ask coutinho about his champ league performances....

[cfcs most wanted 657]

Last season, Coutinho was anything but consistent. He showed up after January, which is why most people thought the inclusion of Coutinho in PFA team of the year was a complete farce.

Coutinho played with Neymar after he got subbed in the beg of the second half vs Colombia and did absolutely nothing and brazil lost. Than, he had the start vs paraguay and was invisible again and brazil lost. Coutinho will not ever start for brazil as long as oscar and neymar are healthy. Oscar doesn't have the same role as Coutinho does and oscar was by far the best player against Swansea, when we played bad.... Also, maybe you forgot the performance Oscar did on Juventus. We should ask coutinho about his champ league performances....

Yeah, let's talk about the Champions League performances of a player whose team works so hard to every year to get to the stage but their manager decides to play a B-team. How any matches has he ever played in the Champions League 4 or 5

[Oscar 441]

Always found it funny the Coutinho love this board had, when in reality, everyone knows that Coutinho would never survive being the n10 under Jose's tactics.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If Coutinho was a Chelsea player, he'd be on his hundredth loan somewhere around Europe.

[lucio 5,418]

Always found it funny the Coutinho love this board had, when in reality, everyone knows that Coutinho would never survive being the n10 under Jose's tactics.

Coutinhos work rate is just as good , if not better than oscars.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Coutinho is a level below Oscar simple as that.

[Stats 7,142]

Last season, Coutinho was anything but consistent. He showed up after January, which is why most people thought the inclusion of Coutinho in PFA team of the year was a complete farce.

Coutinho played with Neymar after he got subbed in the beg of the second half vs Colombia and did absolutely nothing and brazil lost. Than, he had the start vs paraguay and was invisible again and brazil lost. Coutinho will not ever start for brazil as long as oscar and neymar are healthy. Oscar doesn't have the same role as Coutinho does and oscar was by far the best player against Swansea, when we played bad.... Also, maybe you forgot the performance Oscar did on Juventus. We should ask coutinho about his champ league performances....

If you read, you would see I said apart from Swansea. Yeah and that Juve game was what 3-4 seasons ago now and what standout performance has he done?He was our best player against Swansea but was not a standout performance. Coutinho has had many standout games. Yeah and after January he was thoroughly consistent. Oscar did not really have a consistent patch throughout the season like Coutinho. Well tbh I don't think Coutinho should have been in it but then many other players who you would have put instead were also inconsistent. Also, does it strike to you that when Neymar was suspended against Germany that is when they got battered. They had no players who could take on the responsibility. I actually think Oscar had a decent game but I just don't think he gives you that ability Coutinho does. I think Oscar is a good player, but I just don't see him taking responsbility most times when other players in our team are not on form. Coutinho does give you that. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree but I think Oscar would find it tough in that Liverpool team. Sterling has gone to City and improved them but even he was no way near the same level as Coutinho last season. I would not be surprised to see a major club come in for Coutinho eventually.

Coutinho is a level below Oscar simple as that.

Are you serious? Have you seen what the two have produced in the last 2 seasons? Oscar has scored more goals and so on but in terms of actual performance over the last 2 seasons, Coutinho has been a lot better. I get you like Oscar but he has not produced enough quality for us a consistent basis. Coutinho has had many world class performances for Liverpool.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Are you serious? Have you seen what the two have produced in the last 2 seasons? Oscar has scored more goals and so on but in terms of actual performance over the last 2 seasons, Coutinho has been a lot better. I get you like Oscar but he has not produced enough quality for us a consistent basis. Coutinho has had many world class performances for Liverpool.

very serious, yes I have seen what both have produced, Oscar not only scores more, he also got more assists last season, as well as averaging more passes, more successful passes and a higher pass completion per game then Coutinho.

Coutinho is just as inconsistent as Oscar (at least you can see why Oscar has been inconsistent with his lack of pre-season in the past, what is Coutinho's excuse?) and Coutinho rarely puts in world class performances. In fact Coutinho looked out of his depth in CL last season.

That's 2 managers now who have put Oscar ahead of Coutinho as Brazil's CAM, but you probably know more then Scolari and Dunga right?

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Coutinho probably won't even make the next Brazil squad lol. Oscar is the undisputed starter. Lucas Lima & Rafinha also impressed in the recent friendlies which might mean the end of Coutinho in a Selecao shirt for the time being at least.

[lucio 5,418]

Really? Watch coutinho vs madrid at anfield. He looked the part.

But never mind , dung beetle picks oscar , so he's obviously better.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Really? Watch coutinho vs madrid at anfield. He looked the part.

But never mind , dung beetle picks oscar , so he's obviously better.

are you serious other then hitting the post he had no impact on that game at all. Talk about clutching at straws...

[The Skipper 20,609]

Well, Oscar is the more complete player but Coutinho isn't a level below him, they're on the same level. What Coutinho has going for him though is superior technique.

[lucio 5,418]

are you serious other then hitting the post he had no impact on that game at all. Talk about clutching at straws...

He had numerous ,quality forward passes. Watch the highlights

[Pacquiao 1,834]

He had numerous ,quality forward passes. Watch the highlights

you mean watch YouTube highlights that are designed to make a player look good?

I would rather read match reports and player ratings, where a lot say he done nothing in the game, hence why he was taken off.

[lucio 5,418]

you mean watch YouTube highlights that are designed to make a player look good?

I would rather read match reports and player ratings, where a lot say he done nothing in the game, hence why he was taken off.

Highlights that show his errors too , but he still looked good.

http://www.itv.com/champions-league/liverpool-0-3-real-madrid-player-ratings

"One of Liverpool's better players on the night"

And what about his performance vs Manchester city ? Oscar couldn't achieve that in a million years. Or his performance against us.

I don't mind Oscar at all. But he can't touch coutinho.

[Oscar 441]

Highlights that show his errors too , but he still looked good.

http://www.itv.com/champions-league/liverpool-0-3-real-madrid-player-ratings

"One of Liverpool's better players on the night"

And what about his performance vs Manchester city ? Oscar couldn't achieve that in a million years. Or his performance against us.

I don't mind Oscar at all. But he can't touch coutinho.

Except Coutinho would never start over Oscar here.

maybe at liverpool, where the only defense is a good offense.

Oscar can't dribble like Coutinho can, so maybe that is your point, which is true... Coutinho is definitely a better dribbler