🇧🇷 Oscar

[Unionjack 7,531]

If we could use Oscar/Willian like 1 player like Oscar 1st part of year and Willian in latter part I'd be cool with that. Or Id even be happy to keep him as a good alternative if we got a proper number 10.

But IF Mous determined to sell him then I dont think we should start lower than £35mill OR IFFFF we could use him in part ex to the much wanted Juve for the Pog or Vidal then Id lead a naked congo round the MH, (As long as its nice n warm out for no shrinkage and only if I dont have to donate my left dangley in the bringing of a certain Varane)

[Myself 793]

LOL. There would be suitors from everywhere if he was on the market for only £20m. Why troll?

Oscar is alot better than the man in my avatar & he went for more than £20m.

What I meant when I said that is that he's not WORTH that much money, just like Sterling isn't WORTH 50m. I was merely making a point at how fucked the transfer system has become, with players like Firmino going for 30m etc. etc.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The fact Juventus bid £12M or whatever for him says everything you need to know about how his Chelsea career has gone in terms of his development.

They didn't.

Juve did not bid 12m for Oscar.

THEY DID NOT!

It was the MIrror FFS! If everything in the Mirror is 'fact' now we'd have bought half the players in Europe, sold them and then bought them back again...and that's before the window even opens!

People will really cling to anything no matter how reliable if it backs their opinion.

[1chelsea 864]

13M it's a deal.

His Oscar selling his boots?[emoji102]

[didierforever 7,349]

the amount of faith jose is putting into oscar is INSANE...

the fact that we are not buying anymore AMs shows that jose actually believes that oscar would have a hazard-like season this time around.

for the sake of chelsea, jose and everyone involved, i hope oscar repays our manager's faith.if oscar has a season like last one and we can find ourselves in a bit of a sticky situation (city WILL be better). we dont have a good or rather a very questionable AM in cuardrado as the only replacement. our midfield options dont seem to fill me with a lot of confidence. all in all, oscar has to be good enough as a new marquee signing.

fingers crossed and hoping for the best!!!

[DYC. 7,542]

Or they don't want to pay too much for him because he doesn't warrant a hefty price tag... despite being on a long term contract... so tells us something doesn't it.

You realise there are talks of Salah leaving for a higher figure? If you think Salah is worth more or even anywhere near the same amount as Oscar, I guess there's no point in going on with this.

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

According to Tuttosport, Oscar is at the top of the Italian champions' summer wishlist and have contacted Chelsea to try and do a deal. #CFC

However Oscar is unlikely to be sold this summer as Mourinho wants to give the talented playmaker another season in England (talkSPORT) #CFC

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I don't mind selling as long as we have somebody better lined up to replace him.

See: Reus, Vidal, Pogba, Koke etc etc.

[JaKstone 307]

I don't mind selling as long as we have somebody better lined up to replace him.

See: Reus, Vidal, Pogba, Koke etc etc.

In all honestly if Oscar is sold we need of two of them not one.

[Barbara 15,149]

I don't mind selling as long as we have somebody better lined up to replace him.

See: Reus, Vidal, Pogba, Koke etc etc.

we should be aiming for another AM - preferably a winger - that is WC or close to it, who has goals and assists on them and then Oscar and Willian can figure their shit out and play in the CAM position. Whoever is better plays and the other is the 13th player in the lineup, as this is a very common sub to be done during the match.

If we sell Oscar, I agree with the poster above me, we'd need two more AM's in high level, not only one.

I just don't know how Vidal is considered one... but well, that's me. He's a MD, not an AM imo.

[Shakez 755]

we should be aiming for another AM - preferably a winger - that is WC or close to it, who has goals and assists on them and then Oscar and Willian can figure their shit out and play in the CAM position. Whoever is better plays and the other is the 13th player in the lineup, as this is a very common sub to be done during the match.

If we sell Oscar, I agree with the poster above me, we'd need two more AM's in high level, not only one.

I just don't know how Vidal is considered one... but well, that's me. He's a MD, not an AM imo.

I agree, our AM line-up is pretty thin. Replacing one isn't going to help long term. We got Willian, Hazard, Oscar and Cuadrado. Remy can play there too ofcourse, but that shouldn't happen. There is also the fact that there is no competition, didn't we all love the time when KDB, Schürrle, Mata where still here? That's when we actually had a good bench, and we saw alot of rotation without a big drop in quality. At the moment, i really can't see Cuadrado competing with the other AM's (unless he improves dramatically in the physical department).

Who can we bring in that is good enough to compete with them, and is available on the market? Griezmann is not (a tad bit overrated in the winger role), not Isco, not Bale, Götze maybe. I can currently only see Sterling coming in, but not for 50 million. He's no prolific goalscorer, but will probably score more than Oscar and definitely Willian + he's only 20.

About Vidal, no he's not an AM. But to be honest, we need another CM for the big matches. Our midfield get's dominated every time we meet a team with some quality. City, United, Atletico, PSG with 10 men, and even fucking Spurs. If our aim is to compete at all fronts, we need competition for places, and another quality CM (Vidal) that can slot in with Matic and Fabregas.

[the wes 7,212]

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If Oscar improves next year or at least becomes consistent, it will feel like we got a new player. While many write Oscar off, I think he will surprise next season.

[Adnane 1,101]

I don't remember who was comparing Willian and Oscar in terms of minutes played and saying its kinda the same, damn it isn't.

Since 2012 :

Oscar : 151 for Chelsea, 43 for Brazil = 194 games. --> 64.6 games/year

Willian : 91 for Chelsea + 17 for Shakhtar + 20 for Brazil = 128 games. --> 42.6 games/year.

Way too much difference, let alone the fact Oscar had no rest in the summer periods between.

I even compared with Messi and Ronaldo who play an awful lot of games, he played a few more ( 4-5 ).

So yeah, the physical excuse stands.

[lionsden 4,689]

So oscar hasn't developed and has remain inconsistent for three consecutive seasons but suddenly everything is going to kick into gear for him and he's going to start becoming the player some people want him to become next season. How do you spell delusional.

I just hope those who make decisions at Chelsea are more sensible and realistic than that.

[Adnane 1,101]

Everything MIGHT kick into gear because he's having a propres summer this year.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Who knows maybe he will get some bulk after this first summer break since years

[Styles 9,790]

Everything MIGHT kick into gear because he's having a propres summer this year.

Fatigue isn't the issue. Ability is.

[didierforever 7,349]

£42m is a bit too steep, but £30-35m is what he's worth IMO.

considering the fact that juve are demanding 100mil for pogba, nothing is steep.

[didierforever 7,349]

I don't remember who was comparing Willian and Oscar in terms of minutes played and saying its kinda the same, damn it isn't.

Since 2012 :

Oscar : 151 for Chelsea, 43 for Brazil = 194 games. --> 64.6 games/year

Willian : 91 for Chelsea + 17 for Shakhtar + 20 for Brazil = 128 games. --> 42.6 games/year.

Way too much difference, let alone the fact Oscar had no rest in the summer periods between.

I even compared with Messi and Ronaldo who play an awful lot of games, he played a few more ( 4-5 ).

So yeah, the physical excuse stands.

since oscar joined chelsea (12-13 season)

oscar has played about 11600. (including olympics in 2012).

willian has played 9800.

these matches include only competitive matches and not the friendlies played against korea and japan and china. cos if we are including those friendlies, i guess we should include the pre-season friendlies as well as training sessions??

so basically 600 minutes extra per season.

the "excuse" is exactly what it is, an "excuse". anyways, this season there will be no more "excuse". time to sink or swim. the only thing i am worried about is the unbelievable faith that jose has put into him, might come back to bite us in the ass massively.