Nike 373 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think Silva shouldnt be captain as well, even though he is brazil best player. Neymar being captain reminds me of what Portugal did with Cristiano and to some extent argentina with messi. These guys arent really the best examples for the captain role and I think the NT sponspors had a lot to do with the decision, moreso than the manager/team. Brazil still has 4 years before the world cup, so by than hopefully one of the u23 kids will developed to be captain. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 ^^ yeah maybe he can flourish in a CDM position - he's a lot better than Gustavo, Paulinho as a CM. And it could free him from the positioning responsibilities he sure struggles with.I don't care about Silva's reaction when he did not play, when he was consoling his teammates after the trashing. I cared a lot about his reaction when it mattered most, at a crucial time against chile! The time we needed him most he failed as a leader. This is not just my opinion, but the entire country as well as Dunga's.Funny that I see David Luiz in a very different way: his technique is superb! that freeckick goal against colombia only VERY few players are capable of. His deficiencies all lie in the mental aspects of the game. I agree he has the attitute, the right determination and aggression, but that's about it. He's very poor in positioning, tactics, attention, which limits him as a defender. It's silly to call him a terrible defender though, because then we go into the "I know better than the transfer market/world/professionals" type of thing.I digress we should really be talking about our 22-year-old star who will very likely determine whether Brazil is a title contender or not in the coming years.Although I understand with the reason all Brazillians disappointed of Silva when penalties take place against Chile, do you think a captain, if he think he is mentally not ready to take a penalty should take it instead and risk the team? A strongest captain is still human afterall. And Scolari who made the decision anyway, and it turn out to be succesful and Brazil advanced. Job done, I think that should be no issue there. Or do you more appreciated him to do it, well realized he is not up to it and could missed and then Brazil might failed, rather than he admitted he is not ready to the manager, trusted the rest of team mates who is mentally more ready at that point, which one do you prefer?Well, I thought there is no issue afterall within the Brazil dressing room after that match. Silva do the right things after that match as a captain and lead the team to beat Colombia.About Luiz, yes no doubt he is a quite good as a FK taker, very aggresive going forward, etc. But he is, as you agree too, bad positioning, tactics, etc as a defender. Ok, might be harsh to call him terrible, but he is certainly not the best one as a defender.What do you mean 'because then we go into the "I know better than the transfer market/world/professionals" type of thing'?Why I get the impression you talk about 50 millions move to PSG, and the way you said it, let me ask this, do you think he is worthed 50 millions as a defender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Although I understand with the reason all Brazillians disappointed of Silva when penalties take place against Chile, do you think a captain, if he think he is mentally not ready to take a penalty should take it instead and risk the team? A strongest captain is still human afterall. And Scolari who made the decision anyway, and it turn out to be succesful and Brazil advanced. Job done, I think that should be no issue there.Or do you more appreciated him to do it, well realized he is not up to it and could missed and then Brazil might failed, rather than he admitted he is not ready to the manager, trusted the rest of team mates who is mentally more ready at that point, which one do you prefer?Well, I thought there is no issue afterall within the Brazil dressing room after that match. Silva do the right things after that match as a captain and lead the team to beat Colombia.the problem wasn't not wanting to take a penalty but abandoning the team! I have no problem with him not wanting to take a penalty, but not offering any support? Crying in the sidelines, looking melancholic and pensive while his teammates were in the lion's den? If you don't have emotional endurance to take a penalty, that's okay, but if you can't offer support, encouragement, or any sort of words for your teammates who will take the penalties you're as useless as a captain as it gets.He was PATHETIC, the images of him looking depressed as if someone killed his puppy while the rest of the team were together, going through something very difficult are one of the most pathetic things I've watched on football - not because of him as an human being, but that's no captain. That's an okay reaction for any weak player, but weak players can't be a team's captain, let alone a NT captain.He should never be considered even a leader to that team anymore. He should be just another player. He has a great value as a defender, he's a good guy, but weakling and it showed. I would never give him another chance as a captain because he didn't fail Brazil, or whoever that aren't his teammates. They couldn't count on him to even offer them support. He was selfish, depressing, pathetic and weak. There's a long distance between feeling emotionally strong enough to take a penalty and just being with the rest of your teammates saying a few words, or even just standing there quiet. jeronimo, RoyalBlues and Dion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 the problem wasn't not wanting to take a penalty but abandoning the team! I have no problem with him not wanting to take a penalty, but not offering any support? Crying in the sidelines, looking melancholic and pensive while his teammates were in the lion's den? If you don't have emotional endurance to take a penalty, that's okay, but if you can't offer support, encouragement, or any sort of words for your teammates who will take the penalties you're as useless as a captain as it gets.He was PATHETIC, the images of him looking depressed as if someone killed his puppy while the rest of the team were together, going through something very difficult. That's an okay reaction for any weak player, but weak players can't be a team's captain, let alone a NT captain.He should never be considered even a leader to that team anymore. He should be just another player. He has a great value as a defender, he's a good guy, but weakling and it showed. I would never give him another chance as a captain because he didn't fail Brazil, or whoever that aren't his teammates. They couldn't count on him to even offer them support. He was selfish, depressing, pathetic and weak. There's a long distance between feeling emotionally strong enough to take a penalty and just being with the rest of your teammates saying a few words, or even just standing there quiet.Fair enough, but as I said earlier, I didn't see any issue at all in Brazil dressing room after that. Well, I am as neutral here, I fully respected you guys perspective on this matter as Brazilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Anyway, I am expecting "Oscar is shit" comments here in matter of hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Why does it matter who wears some plastic armband? A real leader will lead the team, with or without being captain officially. A real leader doesn't need to be named captain for people to have to listen to him. RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhanaBoy 104 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Anyone with a stream of the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 stream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 google is helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Anyone with a stream of the gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfktmGmyexU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Although I understand with the reason all Brazillians disappointed of Silva when penalties take place against Chile, do you think a captain, if he think he is mentally not ready to take a penalty should take it instead and risk the team? A strongest captain is still human afterall. And Scolari who made the decision anyway, and it turn out to be succesful and Brazil advanced. Job done, I think that should be no issue there. Or do you more appreciated him to do it, well realized he is not up to it and could missed and then Brazil might failed, rather than he admitted he is not ready to the manager, trusted the rest of team mates who is mentally more ready at that point, which one do you prefer?Well, I thought there is no issue afterall within the Brazil dressing room after that match. Silva do the right things after that match as a captain and lead the team to beat Colombia.About Luiz, yes no doubt he is a quite good as a FK taker, very aggresive going forward, etc. But he is, as you agree too, bad positioning, tactics, etc as a defender. Ok, might be harsh to call him terrible, but he is certainly not the best one as a defender.What do you mean 'because then we go into the "I know better than the transfer market/world/professionals" type of thing'?Why I get the impression you talk about 50 millions move to PSG, and the way you said it, let me ask this, do you think he is worthed 50 millions as a defender?Please don't make it about the 50m paid by PSG-that's a technicality-but merely the options and interest that other players simply don't entice. The message is obvious, he has value. I personally don't ignore this information ymmv.I wasn't referring to kicking the pk or not - really couldn't care less about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Chelsea? 892 Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted September 6, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfktmGmyexUfirst person to ever bring a freaking match to a thread. I deserve some rep points guys!! Reddish-Blue, RoyalBlues, Bluelsthecolour and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 first person to ever bring a freaking match to a thread. I deserve some rep points guys!!did you really ask for likes Chelsea?, Ainsley Harriott and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 did you really ask for likes lol. does that make me look desprate? Bluelsthecolour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The referee in this game is such a clown lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfktmGmyexUSignal died as soon as Willian started looking good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Signal died as soon as Willian started looking good can't wait till all our players start getting playing time due to 3 matches a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 So, is Oscar now playing a deeper role for Brazil too (like he did in Porto Alegre)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The referee in this game is such a clown lol.You watched the game? If yes, how did our Brazilian boys perform especially Luis? killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 6, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted September 6, 2014 You watched the game? If yes, how did our Brazilian boys perform especially Luis?Ramires was meh, and could have been sent off for a bad tackle on Cuadrado (this guy can dribble anyone)Luis played the full game, he was solid defensively and made at least 2 important tackles to stop Colombia on the counter. In attack he tried to support but Neymar didn't really use him, just cut inside whenever Luis overlapped. Oscar played him in once though and his shot was tapped in by Tardelli, but the lino wrongly (according to commentators) ruled Luis offside.Oscar did pretty well by his standard. Not only the aforementioned through ball to Luis, he also made a sick backheel to Tardelli in the box.Willian was quiet, but he used his pace to create 2 openings. One which Neymar couldn't make the most out of, and another which Oscar messed up with an awful finish. iseah100, stroey, Madmax and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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