The Chels 2,502 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24zpc4_analyse-that-pat-nevin-everton-hd_sportThis video coupled with his average and often overrated stamina highlights why he wouldn't have made any meaningful difference in that everton game as we would still have been thoroughly outplayed if not even more. watch from 2.33-2.48 how easily he loses possession or gets dispossessed under any slight pressure (typical Oscar) and given how intense the everton pressing was, the result/performance would have been the same if not much worse in fact. We couldn't control the game because Everton pressed us very well and retained possession and not because of Oscar's absence you do realise Oscar was injured that game and subbed off at half-time because of the pain? zolayes and hjperdeath 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 True, which begs the question, could Cesc be the one sacrificed in big games in future?Maybe this could happen:.........Matic- Mikel..........Willian...Fabregas....HazardMikel could cover for Fabregas' defensive disabilities. stroey and Tomo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Maybe this could happen:.........Matic- Mikel..........Willian...Fabregas....HazardMikel could cover for Fabregas' defensive disabilities.Possibility, thankfully the decisions in the hands of the best manager in the club's history. Sidzeret 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is Oscar playing for brazil tom?Was his injury from ankle or a virus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is Oscar playing for brazil tom?Was his injury from ankle or a virus?It was a virus as far as I know. Nike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Is Oscar playing for brazil tom?Was his injury from ankle or a virus?It was a virus as far as I know.Chelsea official story is about a knock in the ankle. Mourinho said it, Chelsea TV said it.Also he starts tomorrow. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Chelsea official story is about a knock in the ankle. Mourinho said it, Chelsea TV said it.Also he starts tomorrow.Do you have a list of the full starting 11 for Brazil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! zolayes 14,489 Posted September 4, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted September 4, 2014 Chelsea official story is about a knock in the ankle. Mourinho said it, Chelsea TV said it. Also he starts tomorrow.I think he got kicked by Lionsden hjperdeath, CHOULO19, Nike and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think he got kicked by Lionsden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Do you have a list of the full starting 11 for Brazil?Jefferson; Maicon, Miranda, David Luiz e Filipe Luis, Ramires, Luis Gustavo, Oscar, Willian; Tardelli e Neymar ©. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Jefferson; Maicon, Miranda, David Luiz e Filipe Luis, Ramires, Luis Gustavo, Oscar, Willian; Tardelli e Neymar ©.i thought dunga said robinho was going to get called up and be captain?I dont like the idea of Neymar being captain. What is brazil's reaction to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 i thought dunga said robinho was going to get called up and be captain?I dont like the idea of Neymar being captain. What is brazil's reaction to this?Have no idea, I don't follow the news, I just wanted to see if Oscar was going to play and came across this lineup today in the morning.Neymar has been given the captain position regardless of Thiago Silva coming back or not. It seems Dunga also said this is a burden to be shared with many other players.Willian and Oscar talked in the mixed zone and Dunga will play Oscar centered and Willian in the right wing and asked them to change position a few times during the match. I hope he plays Oscar right - something Felipão didn't do in the WC, but was able to prior to that - but it feels like Dunga will play the team exactly like Felipão did, except it'll be a 4-4-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I thought Silva and Luiz deserved to be the Captain and Vice Captain as long as they are selected. Neymar not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Have no idea, I don't follow the news, I just wanted to see if Oscar was going to play and came across this lineup today in the morning.Neymar has been given the captain position regardless of Thiago Silva coming back or not. It seems Dunga also said this is a burden to be shared with many other players.Willian and Oscar talked in the mixed zone and Dunga will play Oscar centered and Willian in the right wing and asked them to change position a few times during the match. I hope he plays Oscar right - something Felipão didn't do in the WC, but was able to prior to that - but it feels like Dunga will play the team exactly like Felipão did, except it'll be a 4-4-2DO you think Nike/sponsors had a lot to do with the decision? I find it odd that they gave neymar the captain band, when they have a ton of veterans on the squad. I find it truly odd that DUNGA gave it to an offensive player as well and not a midfielder or a cb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 DO you think Nike/sponsors had a lot to do with the decision? I find it odd that they gave neymar the captain band, when they have a ton of veterans on the squad. I find it truly odd that DUNGA gave it to an offensive player as well.tbh I don't know nor do I care.But it's no secret Nike has a huge power in the NT. They influence (not to say decide) a lot of things. They do make those people rich, so I guess they feel entitled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I thought Silva and Luiz deserved to be the Captain and Vice Captain as long as they are selected. Neymar not really.Silva was one of the crying babies against Chile. Sat on the football all by himself while others rallied the players. That's never a capitain in my book.David Luiz we know well... He can barely position himself let alone instruct others about what to do and how to proceed. He needs to be instructed, not instruct. He's better than the other Brazil CMs so I reckon he should be play there as well.However, Neymar also does not have the personality of a leader/captain. This's just yet another area this Brazil team lacks: leadership.The list itself is slightly better than the WC one... No Fred, Jo, Dante, and Bernard, but also other local players who have no business at this level.-----Unsurprisingly, Brazil is still believing in the 22-year-old star. He's got all the attributes to become a dominant player in the position. While people see his defensive abiliity as a merely "nice" albeit unnecessary trait, I think it's huge and makes him a far more rounded player in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Silva was one of the crying babies against Chile. Sat on the football all by himself while others rallied the players. That's never a capitain in my book.David Luiz we know well... He can barely position himself let alone instruct others about what to do and how to proceed. He needs to be instructed, not instruct. He's better than the other Brazil CMs so I reckon he should be play there as well.However, Neymar also does not have the personality of a leader/captain. This's just yet another area this Brazil team lacks: leadership.The list itself is slightly better than the WC one... No Fred, Jo, Dante, and Bernard, but also other local players who have no business at this level.-----Unsurprisingly, Brazil is still believing in the 22-year-old star. He's got all the attributes to become a dominant player in the position. While people see his defensive abiliity as a merely "nice" albeit unnecessary trait, I think it's huge and makes him a far more rounded player in that position.Funny to read that you think Silva is crying babies. I thought he isn't. He showed he has a great attitude after Neymar injured and after Brazil lose to Germany.Neymar the one who I think is more like crying babies.As for Luiz, I am the one who hardly criticized him after Brazil defeat against Germany. Yes he might be terrible defender as a footballer, but he has a strong personality as a person.Yes they might be not among the best Brazil captains in history, but I think both are the best option at the moment in Brazil squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Play Miranda-Silva as the CB duo, play Luiz in the CDM position and make him the captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 ^^ yeah maybe he can flourish in a CDM position - he's a lot better than Gustavo, Paulinho as a CM. And it could free him from the positioning responsibilities he sure struggles with. Funny to read that you think Silva is crying babies. I thought he isn't. He showed he has a great attitude after Neymar injured and after Brazil lose to Germany. Neymar the one who I think is more like crying babies. As for Luiz, I am the one who hardly criticized him after Brazil defeat against Germany. Yes he might be terrible defender as a footballer, but he has a strong personality as a person. Yes they might be not among the best Brazil captains in history, but I think both are the best option at the moment in Brazil squad.I don't care about Silva's reaction when he did not play, when he was consoling his teammates after the trashing. I cared a lot about his reaction when it mattered most, at a crucial time against chile! The time we needed him most he failed as a leader. This is not just my opinion, but the entire country as well as Dunga's. Funny that I see David Luiz in a very different way: his technique is superb! that freeckick goal against colombia only VERY few players are capable of. His deficiencies all lie in the mental aspects of the game. I agree he has the attitute, the right determination and aggression, but that's about it. He's very poor in positioning, tactics, attention, which limits him as a defender. It's silly to call him a terrible defender though, because then we go into the "I know better than the transfer market/world/professionals" type of thing. I digress we should really be talking about our 22-year-old star who will very likely determine whether Brazil is a title contender or not in the coming years. The only place to be and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 ^^ yeah maybe he can flourish in a CDM position - he's a lot better than Gustavo, Paulinho as a CM. And it could free him from the positioning responsibilities he sure struggles with.I don't care about Silva's reaction when he did not play, when he was consoling his teammates after the trashing. I cared a lot about his reaction when it mattered most, at a crucial time against chile! The time we needed him most he failed as a leader. This is not just my opinion, but the entire country as well as Dunga's.Funny that I see David Luiz in a very different way: his technique is superb! that freeckick goal against colombia only VERY few players are capable of. His deficiencies all lie in the mental aspects of the game. I agree he has the attitute, the right determination and aggression, but that's about it. He's very poor in positioning, tactics, attention, which limits him as a defender. It's silly to call him a terrible defender though, because then we go into the "I know better than the transfer market/world/professionals" type of thing.I digress we should really be talking about our 22-year-old star who will very likely determine whether Brazil is a title contender or not in the coming years.I agree completely.Your captain shouldn't sit depressed in the sidelines, refusing to even lineup with the rest of the squad as the players went to take their penalties. That was depressing, ridiculous and underwhelming. He just proved to me right then he has absolutely NO ability to lead the players because he can only lead them when things are alright. When they got difficult he abandoned his team.Either way, you don't need (or can't count on) a captain like that. That's no captain... robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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