zolayes 14,489 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 He was really persistent today .. was unlucky on several occasions; shouldve scored thoDon't understand why Benitez doesn't want to give him a rest... with Marko and Victor on the bench and our punishing schedule, dont see why Rafa, who talks so much about managing the side didnt take off Oscar and put on Marin instead of taking off Ba and putting on Torres..when subs arent made till almost 80minutes those coming off arent really getting any rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Oscar is just not good in the wing. And mata is good enough there, so if both of them are playing together, then I think oscar should play in the center and mata moves to the wing.But the problems remain. 1) Mata can play the wing but is less effective there. 2) Moving your best player to accommodate someone else is generally not a good idea. 3) Mata and Hazard still drift into the middle which means that we have a real lack of width. 4) Neither Mata or Hazard are good defenders which means when playing against teams with any wing play, we'd be incredibly vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 But the problems remain. 1) Mata can play the wing but is less effective there. 2) Moving your best player to accommodate someone else is generally not a good idea. 3) Mata and Hazard still drift into the middle which means that we have a real lack of width. 4) Neither Mata or Hazard are good defenders which means when playing against teams with any wing play, we'd be incredibly vulnerable. Spot on on your points. But I still think we've always played our best football this season with oscar in the center and hazard and mata in the wings. Especially during RDM's reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 mata is not less effective as a winger,he was performing just as well as he is now under RDM Mufassir08, Joker10 and Peace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago. 1,500 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Spot on on your points. But I still think we've always played our best football this season with oscar in the center and hazard and mata in the wings. Especially during RDM's reign.For sure, against Spurs away in particular. Still best performance of the season kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 mata is not less effective as a winger,he was performing just as well as he is now under RDMHe is less effective as a winger because he can't dictate play the same way and isn't in the same positions to score (unless he drifts into the middle like he did under AVB in which case, he still dictates play, but vacates the wing.Mata is actually on his worst streak of the season (aside from the first few games which we all give him a pass for because of how tired he was). In his last five games (4 starts) he has 0 goals and 0 assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 But Mata isnt playing as a winger atmeven if Mata does perform worse wide,we should play Mazacar with Oscar in the middle since we will perform better than with Oscar on the wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I've thought for a while that we'd have to pick between Mata and Oscar for that number 10 spot, and Oscar is really staking a claim for it. I love Mata, but I've always felt that Oscar could become one of the best players in the world. If he can bring his Brazil form to this team when he plays in the centre then I think we should commit to him as our central playmaker behind a striker. Styles and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Mata, Oscar and Hazard all took chances to play through the middle, especially the former two. Oscar and Mata were interchanging a lot, sometimes you'd find Oscar on the left or right wing, likewise with Mata. They all pretty much have free roles. Yes we don't have real width but this is the best way we as a team can play. If we need to change it up we always have Moses available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Spot on on your points. But I still think we've always played our best football this season with oscar in the center and hazard and mata in the wings. Especially during RDM's reign.Not really. None of them really have a fixed position under RDM. All three rotated their positions throughout matches and the opponent couldn't handle them. And this also of course led to the problem defensively as there wasn't enough defensive work from whichever of those 2 at wide positions when the ball gets turned over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Agreed, Oscar shouldnt play on the wing. He is ALOT better playing centrally.We should try something like this:CechIva - Luiz - JT - ColeMikelRamires - OscarMata--------------------HazardBa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Not really. None of them really have a fixed position under RDM. All three rotated their positions throughout matches and the opponent couldn't handle them. And this also of course led to the problem defensively as there wasn't enough defensive work from whichever of those 2 at wide positions when the ball gets turned over.Yes they rotated, but oscar was mainly the middle man. He applied pressure to pirlo and arteta and we usually had a lot of possesion then because of his work rate. We also outscored opponents with torres. Now we have ba, so if they get a better understanding with ba, we will be even better than then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yes they rotated, but oscar was mainly the middle man. He applied pressure to pirlo and arteta and we usually had a lot of possesion then because of his work rate. We also outscored opponents with torres. Now we have ba, so if they get a better understanding with ba, we will be even better than then.Not really. Mata was the main fella playing in the hole. Oscar only played there like in the games you pointed out Juventus and Arsenal but for the rest of it, he pretty much played out wide, looking to come inside and combine with Mata and Hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I've thought for a while that we'd have to pick between Mata and Oscar for that number 10 spot, and Oscar is really staking a claim for it. I love Mata, but I've always felt that Oscar could become one of the best players in the world. If he can bring his Brazil form to this team when he plays in the centre then I think we should commit to him as our central playmaker behind a striker.Agreed. Been thinking for a while that Mata might be a hindrance to Oscar's development as a player in this current system. Barbara and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 3, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 3, 2013 Agreed. Been thinking for a while that Mata might be a hindrance to Oscar's development as a player in this current system.Where Oscar excelled for Brazil in the games I saw was basically running that central channel and moving the ball forward by bringing wider players into the game. You have to build the team around him (literally) for him to shine in my opinion. Mata is a great player, but I think Oscar has the potential to be a real worldie. Styles, Peace., Backstreet09 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Where Oscar excelled for Brazil in the games I saw was basically running that central channel and moving the ball forward by bringing wider players into the game. You have to build the team around him (literally) for him to shine in my opinion. Mata is a great player, but I think Oscar has the potential to be a real worldie.Definitely. I like to think when Oscar is Mata's age he will comfortably be the better player because it means he will have fulfilled his potential. I like Mata, he's a great little player but Oscar looks special. I much preferred Mata drifting inside as opposed to it being his starting position. Barbara and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 If Oscar isn't going to be played centrally in the attacking band of 3, then I hope we can get a manager to groom him for the DLP role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Oscar reminds me a lot of Ozil and Ozil is probably the best #10 in the world.... GhanaBoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhanaBoy 104 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 If Oscar isn't going to be played centrally in the attacking band of 3, then I hope we can get a manager to groom him for the DLP roleNO!!!!!!!!!! simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Initially I thought Oscar would be groomed in a deeper role but having watched him all season as a cam, that would be a waste. Barbara, Peace., Kieran. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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