The only place to be 11,313 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Initially I thought Oscar would be groomed in a deeper role but having watched him all season as a cam, that would be a waste.I'm with you on that one. I'd much rather look to Ake and Chalobah to play in the double pivot and have Oscar as the No.10 in the future. GhanaBoy and Blue Gino 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 NO!!!!!!!!!! simple.Good response.............Fact is, on the wing he is wasted and it doesn't seem like Mata will be moved to the wing. He has massive potential centrally and his range of passing is something we'll need in a deeper position. Perfect Lamps replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Both Mata and Oscar can play centrally.MikelOscarMoses - Mata - HazardBa MikelMoses - Mata - Oscar - HazardBa or even: (puts more presure on wingers backtracking)MikelMata - OscarMoses----------------------HazardBa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetdoscar 335 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 ^^^ I think oscar and mata combo in a three man midfield wuld b splendid they both have incredible intelligence in space but based on work rate ramires is a first team player and what do we do with luiz who is emerging as one of the best footballing DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetdoscar 335 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The formatn with oscar as CAM and mata as AM above mikel is interesting also but will need good practice. Isn't that what spurs did with Vandervaat(mata) and modric(oscar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 DP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 ^^^ I think oscar and mata combo in a three man midfield wuld b splendid they both have incredible intelligence in space but based on work rate ramires is a first team player and what do we do with luiz who is emerging as one of the best footballing DM.They really wouldn't. It would be exactly the same as playing Oscar in the pivot because Mata will naturally drift further up the pitch a lot more due to Oscar being more solid defensively. It'd be suicide IMO. It'll also require a lot of defensive cover from our wingers, which is fine with Moses but not for Hazard - I think it would limit the ability he has in the final third. And Luiz is not emerging as one of the best footballing DMs at all. He'd need a couple seasons in that role to fully become accustomed to it, something we can't really afford at CFC IMO. TorontoChelsea, Term-X, OneMoSalah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetdoscar 335 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 They really wouldn't. It would be exactly the same as playing Oscar in the pivot because Mata will naturally drift further up the pitch a lot more due to Oscar being more solid defensively. It'd be suicide IMO. It'll also require a lot of defensive cover from our wingers, which is fine with Moses but not for Hazard - I think it would limit the ability he has in the final third. And Luiz is not emerging as one of the best footballing DMs at all. He'd need a couple seasons in that role to fully become accustomed to it, something we can't really afford at CFC IMO.Well....that's your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well....that's your opinionNot really. I don't think anybody would consider Luiz anywhere near one of the best footballing DMs. He's played a handful of games at DM and has had mixed results. It's possible he'd excel there with more time, but to claim that he's a top DM right now is just silly. @the skipper. Unfortunately, Moses really hasn't been very good defensively either. He does offer us width, directness, and physicality though. The Skipper and OneMoSalah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Where Oscar excelled for Brazil in the games I saw was basically running that central channel and moving the ball forward by bringing wider players into the game. You have to build the team around him (literally) for him to shine in my opinion. Mata is a great player, but I think Oscar has the potential to be a real worldie.Kind of, Brazil is everything but built around Oscar. All he really needs is space, he cant have Mata and Hazard stuck in the middle with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 @the skipper. Unfortunately, Moses really hasn't been very good defensively either. He does offer us width, directness, and physicality though. I think Moses is quite decent defensively in all fairness just because he does the job of covering for his man properly - he isn't as excellent as let's say Valencia (who's pretty much in a league of his own) but he's still at a acceptable level. Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Putting Oscar in the pivot would be a waste, I think when he plays in the role similar to the one Mano Menezes gave him for Brazil hes at his best, like we saw against West Brom. If he was played in the pivot, he'd be restricted from roaming about and finding pockets of space in more advanced positions, which is in my opinion is one of his biggest strengths, as it 1) opens up room for other players by dragging opposition players out of position and 2) offers a good option to his team mates as well.He might step back into a deeper role in 8-9 years but I think anything before that would be a very very very big waste.I would also like to add my 2 cents about playing Oscar and Mata both as central MF players in a 4-3-3. Would never work in a month of Sundays. Whoever played as the deeper/holding MF player would be seriously overrun due to Mata's tendancy to push further up and even with Oscars work rate to get back still a team playing with 3 or 5 in MF would outnumber us and win the MF battle easily. Our MF would also be extremely lightweight and as good as it may be going forward we'd be fucked going back the way. GhanaBoy, The Skipper and Stingray 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Oscar has been our consistently-best player thus far in 2013. Really impressed with him. His transition into this team has been nigh-on faultless. Rmpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Too bad there's the Confederations Cup this summer. I really would have liked Oscar to work on his stength during the summer break. He's never going to be Essien but if he just works on his core strength for a few months it could add a lot to his game. His balance, acceleration and other things would get a boost.Oscar is faily quick but hasn't been able to show it (maybe because of too many games). I remember a run he made against Wigan on his debut that shocked me. He is quite quick once he gets going, hopefully we'll see more of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He has played a total of 64 games this season including friendlies with Internacional and the Olympics, which means he will end the season with 70+ games.Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meetdoscar 335 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Not really. I don't think anybody would consider Luiz anywhere near one of the best footballing DMs. He's played a handful of games at DM and has had mixed results. It's possible he'd excel there with more time, but to claim that he's a top DM right now is just silly. @the skipper. Unfortunately, Moses really hasn't been very good defensively either. He does offer us width, directness, and physicality though. Javi martinez cost 40million and he is unproven, less talented as a footballer than liuz but is considered by many to be world class so when I say luiz is one of the best emerging footballing DM's I know wat I mean I hope you do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Javi martinez cost 40million and he is unproven, less talented as a footballer than liuz but is considered by many to be world class so when I say luiz is one of the best emerging footballing DM's I know wat I mean I hope you do too.Ugh...there's no point really, but what the hell. Nobody, and I mean, nobody with any knowledge of football thinks David Luiz at this point in time is a world class defensive midfielder. Luiz has played about 5 games at the position Even if they were five fantastic games, that's not enough games to be considered a top class player. Javi Martinez has nothing to do with this discussion. He's a very good defensive midfielder for years in La Liga so he is not unproven at all. HMartinez' price tag and Luiz's quality as a defensive midfielder are not even remotely related in any way. It's like your comparing a a rhinoceros to a bag of twizzlers and saying "see!!!" No, I don't see. The Skipper and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Javi martinez cost 40million and he is unproven, less talented as a footballer than liuz but is considered by many to be world class so when I say luiz is one of the best emerging footballing DM's I know wat I mean I hope you do too.Neither should be branded 'World Class' It's a tag that is used far too often and given to the majority of wrong choice of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Oscar has been our consistently-best player thus far in 2013. Really impressed with him. His transition into this team has been nigh-on faultless. Yeah, but he still never had an absolute jaw dropping performance in Europe. He had very good ones, but not like he used to for Brasil (and I am not talking about shit games, I mean Argentina, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah, but he still never had an absolute jaw dropping performance in Europe. He had very good ones, but not like he used to for Brasil (and I am not talking about shit games, I mean Argentina, etc). So the best is yet to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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